RD 3, Pick 96: TE Dawson Knox, Ole Miss

[JMF2006]

1 hour ago, napmaster said:

This kid may end up being really good, but did the Bills really need to trade up to get him?

 

What was the trade compensation?

 

Beane said yesterday they would like to trade back up into the second or 3rd and get a guy they had rated high,this is that guy.

[BuffaloBillsGospel]

9 minutes ago, Mojo44 said:

 I did read it. Maybe you should choose your words more carefully. You make it sound like anyone could come off the street and be in NFL running back. I reiterate, the notion is a myth. And, it’s not as easy as you say it is to make the adjustment to the pro level even for a running back.  With your revised statement, I will agree with you a little more.With your revised statement, I will agree with you a little more.

Whatever man, read what you want, I revised nothing.

[JMF2006]

Besides with all the FA signings you didn't really think he was taking 10 players did you?

 

The 10 picks were a security blanket if FA didn't go the Bills way.

 

It did so he could play. 

[Boatdrinks]

1 hour ago, napmaster said:

This kid may end up being really good, but did the Bills really need to trade up to get him?

 

What was the trade compensation?

They felt they needed to. This FO and HC have consistently shown they believe in using picks to move around the board and get very specific players that they like. As Bills fans, this is what we should expect they will do . They weren’t going to draft 10 players only to cut half of them in training camp. If they felt certain they would get the player or that the cost was too rich they’d have stayed put. 

Edited April 27, 2019 by Boatdrinks

[dezertbill]

Past Beane/McD drafts rounds 1-3 have been pretty impressive.  They get the benefit of the doubt until that changes.

 

Oliver is a no brainer.  Ford seems like a solid OL pick.  I LOVE Singletary--he's a beast, and it was between him and Montegomery in my book.  Although I would have liked to see Montegomery available to see which one the Bills would have taken. 

 

Knox seems like a stretch for me, but I'm not a scout or pro personnel guy.  He seems to have tools.  How that translates who knows.  But like I said Beane has earned the benefit of the doubt.  

 

Funny some were pissed that we took Singletary over Butler, yet no other team took Butler in round 3.  I guess all 32 teams don't know what they are doing.

[BADOLBILZ]

18 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said:

Beane admitted that is why they took him. They had him rated higher on their board and felt the TE depth was still there, Knox was the last one they had before a big dropoff happened; that was my issue. At that point, I would have sacrificed RB for TE, since RBs are much easier to find with less time required to develop them. Knox is a great athlete, but very very raw.

 

 

I'm just bummed because now the Bills can't trade "next year" picks for Clowney............they gotta' save them to *hopefully* get CeeDee Lamb!     Gotta' feed Josh Allen playmakers.    It's a bummer that they aren't following the proven successful Rams/Bears/Eagles model for Allen.    Those picks could end up being the opportunity cost of picking a RT and RB in round 2 and 3.     There is kind've a Doug and Rex "off the bus starter" "we got bpa....ahem.....at position of immediate need" quality to McBeanes day 2 picks.

Edited April 27, 2019 by BADOLBILZ

[Manther]

1 hour ago, BigDingus said:

So I guess this is just one of those "high motor" and "high character" guys?

 

Averaged a whopping 19.5 receptions and 302.5 yards the past 2 seasons,  with a combined total of 0 TD's his entire college career....

I know stats aren't everything, but nothing screams "this guy won't be here by the time our next pick rolls around, better trade up now!"

Gym Rat

[Scorp83]

2 hours ago, Locomark said:

Harmon pleaassseeee

????  I'm already ready coming to the notion our front office doesn't value WR at all... we have no young talent to grow with Allen to be his main WR... John Brown & Cole Beasley has been in this league for a few years & nobody is losing sleep facing those two.  We had a few times to take a WR & didn't... why draft a QB if your not going to give him his "Kelly to Reed" "Young to Rice" ect. Smh 

[BobbyC81]

41 minutes ago, Mojo44 said:

 This notion that the running back position is, as you say, “set and dry“ ( I think you mean cut and dry ) is a total myth that needs to be exposed for what it is.   Good NFL running back’s don’t grow on trees. I like this pic and when they made it. All this guy did was score touchdowns.

 

 

And running away from people.  Remember folks, the greatest receiver of all time, Jerry Rice, was clocked at like 4.70.  I don’t remember him getting caught from behind.  

[Doc Brown]

Got a steal with our first two picks.  Next two were right about where they were slotted to go.  All were positions of need.  I would've liked them to address WR or DE before RB, but it makes sense as Gore and Shady aren't growing any younger.  It may be Sheldon and Singletary as our starters in 2020.  Maybe we sign Ansah now that the draft is over. 

[100DollarBills]

Sign me up coach, I haven't scored any touchdowns either, and I played on teams where players were stealing all the targets. 

[Herc11]

2 hours ago, Helpmenow said:

Couldn’t have gotten him with the 4th pick beane. Shake my head on this one.

Need to find out if he uses gloves or not

[Nextmanup]

2 hours ago, MacGyver said:

I hate all the trading up.

It's not only stupid, it's straight up wrong.

 

We're good at giving away our own draft picks!

 

 

[SDS]

1 minute ago, Nextmanup said:

It's not only stupid, it's straight up wrong.

 

We're good at giving away our own draft picks!

 

 

 

You apparently don’t understand the term “giving away”. 

[Nextmanup]

2 hours ago, MAJBobby said:

 

Gave up two 4ths and a 5th to get higher graded players. Still have 4 picks. What is the issue?

The issue is the Bills' track record, like every other team in the NFL, is terrible at assessing talent in the draft.

 

Sheer number of draft picks trumps perceived  "quality" of picks.  

 

More kicks at the can = more opportunity to land contributors.

 

 

[Buffalo Barbarian]

1 hour ago, John from Riverside said:

And of course we were in a position to draft those players?

 

yes by not drafting Ford and Singletary.

 

 

[mramefa]

29 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

The issue is the Bills' track record, like every other team in the NFL, is terrible at assessing talent in the draft.

 

Sheer number of draft picks trumps perceived  "quality" of picks.  

 

More kicks at the can = more opportunity to land contributors.

 

 

I think it's harder than this. Some people just improve a lot after they're surrounded by better competition. That doesn't happen over the course of a single training camp and preseason, though, and the Bills don't have enough roster space to give time to 10 draft picks to come good. I think they're better off taking fewer, with a slightly higher upside on average, and giving each of them more of a chance.

[MAJBobby]

46 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

The issue is the Bills' track record, like every other team in the NFL, is terrible at assessing talent in the draft.

 

Sheer number of draft picks trumps perceived  "quality" of picks.  

 

More kicks at the can = more opportunity to land contributors.

 

 

 

Ok Schopp 

[BillsfaninSB]

If the Patriots drafted him we would all think; did we let the next Gronk get away from us.  Are we that dumb?!

 

Giving Beane and co. the benefit of the doubt here and letting them do their thing. 

 

 

[#34fan]

For a D-1 TE, 0 TD's in three seasons of football is laughable... And please, please, stop saying he's a good blocker. -He is not.  NFL LB's are going to level this kid.

 

Another lousy pick from a clueless regime...

 

Edited April 27, 2019 by #34fan

[FeelingOnYouboty]

Another great pick. This is an awesome draft!

[Elite Poster]

For a guy that constantly says we select best player available, today says quite the contrary. 

 

There was a run on tight ends, he got scared, and traded up. He did the same thing with the second round pick. I even called it. Taylor and Little got drafted and I texted my son, Beane must be sweating. Boom, two seconds later we trade up 2 freaking spots. I love Cody Ford but definitely did not like how today was handled one bit. 

[Warcodered]

4 minutes ago, Elite Poster said:

For a guy that constantly says we select best player available, today says quite the contrary. 

 

There was a run on tight ends, he got scared, and traded up. He did the same thing with the second round pick. I even called it. Taylor and Little got drafted and I texted my son, Beane must be sweating. Boom, two seconds later we trade up 2 freaking spots. I love Cody Ford but definitely did not like how today was handled one bit. 

A tackle got taken two picks later by the Broncos who could of easily jumped us if we didn't move up.

[Rocky Landing]

I don't hate this trade up at all. High risk, with high potential reward. I will say, though, if he doesn't work out, I do hope that he sticks around long enough to get a touchdown, even if it's only in the preseason.

[Beast]

Being an aggressive run blocker on its own could be worth where they picked him. Add in the potential in the passing game and I am more than fine with this pick.

[Simon Says]

4 hours ago, BigDingus said:

0 TD's in his entire career at Ole Miss?

That's an interesting player to trade up for...

Metcalf and Brown got most of the targets,and their 3rd WR might also get drafted. Knox will get used more in the NFL. Yes,only like 39 career receptions,but over 600 yards. 6-4,260,all around TE,good combine and film

[nucci]

6 hours ago, MacGyver said:

I hate all the trading up.

why? you get better players this way....we have enough 5th, 6th and 7th round picks

[2020 Our Year For Sure]

4 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

I think they moved early on Singletary because of the run right before it.

 

Ford is a talent........but like I said.......he's just a RT/G at best.

 

We've been down that particular road with lesser OL positional value before..........with both ends of the spectrum...........Andy Levitre and Cyrus Kouandjio.   Andy was terrific......but a one and done because of the contract......and Cyrus was a bust that the Bills took because they were surprised he was still there.   We lost both ways.

 

If there is potential $15M+ per year value talent......which is to say players at positions like QB/PassRush/LT/WR/CB.......then you are wise to get THOSE when you can.   Those are hard to find in UFA.    Guards and RT's and RB's and TE's........not so difficult.    I think there were some high ceiling guys at more valued positions available.  It's kinda' why Ford slipped in the first place.   RT's don't break games open.    RB's make plays but your ability in the passing game dictates whether you are a contender or not.

Are we sure Ford can't move to LT one day, a year or two from now?

[billsintaiwan]

This guy looks a bit thin in the legs, but also looks like he can beat most lbs down the seam. 

 

Like all bloody draft picks (except for Aaron Maybin) we have to wait and see how it goes. Maybin was obviously awful from the get go.

[Jumpsuit Jim]

I really don’t understand this aversion to trading up. The whole “We lose draft picks” idea, to me, is a faulty concept. 

 

At at the beginning of training camp, every team has 90 players. By trading up, a higher percentage of those 90 players are higher draft picks (obvious, but needs to be said). If we keep or trade back, we don’t get more than the 90 players to start. We just end up with a less talented group of 90 football players to choose from. 

 

When the quantity is limited (capped at 90 to start, 53 on the roster, 46 active, 11 on the field) quality should be the goal. 

[mob16151]

6 hours ago, BuffaloBillsGospel said:

You don't think Croom showed promise at all? 

Croom seems to be a talented pitcher of woo. Lol

[CSBill]

6 hours ago, BarkleyForGOATBackupPT5P said:

I remember a fella named Maybin that had mediocre numbers in college.

 

That's the kiss of death, poor guy, getting a Maybin comparison and he's still celebrating getting picked.

[YoloinOhio]

 

[CSBill]

2 hours ago, Rocky Landing said:

I don't hate this trade up at all. High risk, with high potential reward. I will say, though, if he doesn't work out, I do hope that he sticks around long enough to get a touchdown, even if it's only in the preseason.

 

Not sure it's high risk at all.

[YoloinOhio]

2 hours ago, Georgie said:

Metcalf and Brown got most of the targets,and their 3rd WR might also get drafted. Knox will get used more in the NFL. Yes,only like 39 career receptions,but over 600 yards. 6-4,260,all around TE,good combine and film

Biggest thing for me is that the Bills did a ton of work on Knox predraft and our OC was a longtime TE coach. They see enough in this player that they didn’t want him to go anywhere else. I’m assuming Daboll has a big part of his evaluation. He did ok with another player from a loaded college offense with suspect QB play who didn’t get the ball, Robert Foster.  I’m excited about him. 

[YoloinOhio]

 

 

[ROCBillsBeliever]

7 hours ago, MacGyver said:

I hate all the trading up.

 

@MacGyver at Camp Cutdown, 2019: 

 

"I HATE that we cut half of our draft class." 

 

@MacGyver in 3rd grade math:

 

Teacher: "What's 5 times 7?"

MacGuyver: "Iguana!"

[BuffaloBill]

7 hours ago, MAJBobby said:

 

Hmmm top 10 pick vs a 3rd round pick. What is the point in this?

 

 

He doesn’t understand that it makes far more sense to gamble in the third round than near the top of the draft.  If this kid lives up to his potential the Bills will have had one heck of a draft.  Three rounds and three starting players, two of whom likely start game #1 of their careers.  That is a very good draft.  

[Pbomb]

7 hours ago, BigDingus said:

0 TD's in his entire career at Ole Miss?

That's an interesting player to trade up for...

George kittle had 48 catches in 4 years in college, interesting....

[Pbomb]

4 hours ago, Nextmanup said:

The issue is the Bills' track record, like every other team in the NFL, is terrible at assessing talent in the draft.

 

Sheer number of draft picks trumps perceived  "quality" of picks.  

 

More kicks at the can = more opportunity to land contributors.

 

 

Ya and the higher the round the better odds they will be good. By your logic maybe the bills should just trade down every year and collect 15 7th rounders.