BADOLBILZ Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 1 hour ago, Alphadawg7 said: Why does it always have to be “did we make a mistake”? No one was asking this last year when we made the playoffs and he didn’t. You are exhibiting symptoms of JFR (John from Riverside) syndrome: You complain when people are critical of an organizational decision "too early"..........and then you ask why they weren't critical earlier when they are critical in hindsight. It's just a question on a message board, dude. That's "Why". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2003Contenders Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 (edited) Here are my thoughts: -- Anthony Lynn is a good coach. -- Sean McDermott is a good coach. -- I believe that the Pegulas' interest in Lynn was sincere. -- Whaley and the Pegulas (inadvertently, I believe) threw Lynn under the pass, forcing him to face the press when Rex was fired. It was not a good look for Lynn or the franchise. -- The Pegulas wanted to go in a new direction. I also believe that the two teams were looking for something different in their head coaches at the time. The Bills were looking for someone whom they believed could serve as the face of the franchise -- someone they believed could also play a role in being the architect of a new-look team. The Chargers, believing that they had a quality front office in place and a telent-loaded roster that had under-0achieved under McCoy, were looking more for a solid leader and coach who could get the most out of the talent on the field. Edited November 19, 2018 by 2003Contenders Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 11 hours ago, stuvian said: Rivers has never won a meaningful game. He's padded his stats tossing the alley oop to HOFer Antonio Gates. The Bolts RBs are just average. Other than Bosa, I am not well acquainted with their D but they are playing well for Lynn. Rivers is going to be a serious candidate for the HOF. My bet is that he will be inducted in Canton with half of the seats at the ceremony filled by his kids. If Rivers was a horse he would be working as stud in Kentucky producing offspring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweats Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 In typical Buffalo fashion, we let players and coaches go and they end up with stellar careers. Aye Carumba 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 10 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: Because they haven't played in a playoff game with Lynn as HC yet. Last year they lost to the Chiefs twice, the Eagles, NE and the Jags. This year, they've lost to the Chiefs and the Rams. They don't beat the best teams. The only teams this year that have beaten the Chiefs and Rams are the Pats and Saints, respectively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 9 hours ago, formerlyofCtown said: He has a QB. Im happy with the direction I believe we are headed in. I will say that if we kept Lynn then Trubisky may have been our QB. Then i guess it's a good thing we passed on Lynn, who I like. Trubisky is the most overrated QB in the NFL. Terrible selection by Chicago. He is 100 percent the product of Nagy's offensive gameplans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 34 minutes ago, SoTier said: The only teams this year that have beaten the Chiefs and Rams are the Pats and Saints, respectively. They are beating tomato cans. Last year they lost to good teams. This year, so far, as well. Lynn isn't special. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
major Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 On 11/18/2018 at 11:25 AM, Virgil said: I haven’t seen much attention called to fact that the Chargers are 7-2 with the guy we let walk away to be their coach. Are those out there thinking we made a mistake or do you chalk it up to having Rivers? Either way, I’m happy for him and glad he is making the most of his opportunity. I believe it will be the LA chargers vs LA rams in super bowl. If that does indeed happen, I will be very upset that we didn’t hire him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 4 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: They are beating tomato cans. Last year they lost to good teams. This year, so far, as well. Lynn isn't special. All it takes is a bounce or two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 (edited) I'd go back in time for Jim Schwartz if we're playing this game. But Lynn is a good coach. One thing that frustrates me is we don't promote our coordinators. Sure it's a bad look to fire head coaches as often as we do. But how do you maintain consistency? Promote your coordinators that have been or are head coaching candidates anyway especially if you're the Pegulas and have no clue what you're doing Edited November 20, 2018 by PetermanThrew5Picks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 On 11/18/2018 at 9:25 AM, Virgil said: I haven’t seen much attention called to fact that the Chargers are 7-2 with the guy we let walk away to be their coach. Are those out there thinking we made a mistake or do you chalk it up to having Rivers? Either way, I’m happy for him and glad he is making the most of his opportunity. Seeing as i once read that there are 3 C's in the NFL & they are Continuity, Consistency, & Comfort i have had a problem with the last 2 coaching hires . I like the McD hire but i think that there wasn't enough thought given to this or the last hire of Rex ! I am a firm believer with the adage that "if it ain't broke don't fix it" & given the last 2 coaching changes the on after Marrone & then when Rex was fired we had 2 things going really well ,prior to the Rex hire Schwartz had the D playing at a very high level & has since taken his team (with numerous ex Bills players) & won a super bowl Then with the Rex firing the offense on the rushing side of things ranked in the top 5 for a couple of years & wasn't terrible prior to Rex all due to Anthony Lynn coupled with one of the best O line coaches in the game Kromer which looks as if he will now take the Rams to the big game this year with a great rushing attack. So "IF" the thought of either of these guys were as a replacement to their respective coaches that were released or quit were actually being thought of & the 3 C's being a part of the over all thought process of the NFL then the ball has clearly been dropped repeatedly but i am hoping that while dropping it with Lynn will be a good thing due to where the now coaching staff & FO have the team going it will be worth the wait for years of winning to come !! Because the only thing the Bills were lacking on the offensive side of the ball was a good QB if the choice would have been to keep either Schwartz Or Lynn ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iinii Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 On 11/18/2018 at 11:44 AM, Saint Doug said: I do give him credit for sustaining their prior success. This is a situation where a coach was hired that didn’t automatically rip everything down to it “his way” with “his guys”. What a concept! Use the tools you have and improve on things as you go! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuklz2594 Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 did we give up on lynn too soon? is sean an upgrade? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 Sounds familiar. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickey Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 (edited) Did we give up on Kay Stephenson too soon? Is Sean an upgrade? Edited December 23, 2018 by Mickey 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LikeIGiveADarn Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 Sean AINEC. Tony's got a HOF QB. Sean made the playoffs with a ragtag group of scrappy blue collar castoffs with everything to prove... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 At this point all I can feel is.............the roster matters. Time will tell on the coaches. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 Does it matter at this point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 How about we wait to see McDermott with an actual team, you know, kinda like what Lynn has. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
87168 Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 5 minutes ago, SCBills said: How about we wait to see McDermott with an actual team, you know, kinda like what Lynn has. how were the Chargers doing before Lynn? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 (edited) I'm a huge McD fan. The way he runs this team , feels like he's just a natural HC . He came into a rebuilding situation, Lynn has and had a complete team , so you can't just go by their 18 records. I just feel McD is a natural and will have consistent success as a HC starting next year when this rebuild is basically over. McD specialized in defense and the secondary and look what he's doing with 2 rookies and a 2nd year starter in the secondary , pretty amazing. Edited December 23, 2018 by JerseyBills 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Now Moment Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 When you give a great QB a first round wide receiver and they play well together, you start playing a little better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkeerie Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 You also have to look at who Lynn has as his coordinators. Bradley and Whisenhunt are both well established. Lots of talent on that team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aceman_16 Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 1 hour ago, nuklz2594 said: did we give up on lynn too soon? NO is sean an upgrade? YES Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLTbills Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 What does it matter? one has a first-ballot HOF QB and one of the best RB’s in the game in Melvin Gordon. the other broke a 17-year playoff drought with a roster full of castoffs that nobody wanted. And Tyrod Taylor at QB. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBilz2500 Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 It’s all about the QB and Lynn has a hall of famer. Sean is his first year took a Tyrod led team to the playoffs and Tyrod isn’t even a starter anymore. Sean>Lynn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thriftygamer83 Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 Anthony Lynn has a hall of famer with McDermott and Beane it is what it is. A full blown down to the studs rebuild. All of the draft capital means making it a staging area for the next era in Buffalo making an impact. As for Tyrod I can understand with concussion issues why Beane and McDermott got worried they didn’t want him going out on a note of CTE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 McDermott 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Joshin' Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 IMO McDermott has gotten more out of less talent. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuoteTheRaven83 Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 2 hours ago, nuklz2594 said: did we give up on lynn too soon? is sean an upgrade? Have you seen their roster compared to ours? Rivers to Allen. Keenan Allen to Robert Foster. Melvin Gordon in his prime to an over the hill McCoy. Not to mention their o-line is a bit better than ours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 Right now there is no doubt that Lynn is ahead of McDermott. It’s not even a debate. With that being said I think that “the right HC” varies from team to team. McDermott tried to change the culture which was important coming from Rex. I don’t think that he’s a great HC at this point but the tone he set was an important one. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick the Greek Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 1 hour ago, CLTbills said: What does it matter? one has a first-ballot HOF QB and one of the best RB’s in the game in Melvin Gordon. the other broke a 17-year playoff drought with a roster full of castoffs that nobody wanted. And Tyrod Taylor at QB. You fail to realize that the chargers were 5-11 before Lynn took over. And did I mention both Rivers and Gordon were on the team then too? So yea, coaching matters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 Didn’t look so good today against the Lamarcat offense.. Lynn certainly isn’t a bad coach, but the rivers window is closing and if you can’t get this group into the Super Bowl this year it’s quite possible this is it for them. Gordon Bosa and Allen are hurt a lot, seems their secondary is always hurt for like the last 10 years. Father Time comes a calling for rivers and Lynn might be out of a job before McDermott if they don’t have a good replacement lined up. This LA market ?? pressure is on from the nfl to build winners there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ol Dirty B Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 Lynn to this point has shown to be a good HC. That doesn't make McDermott bad. I feel like a lot of people look at it as a zero sum game, which it isn't. I liked Lynn, I'll root for him, but I dont think you can say one vs the other is definitely better at this point. With that said, all of you pointing to P.rives and other *****. I know your aim and bias, you're giving way too much benefit of the doubt to McDermott. 2 minutes ago, Rc2catch said: Didn’t look so good today against the Lamarcat offense.. Lynn certainly isn’t a bad coach, but the rivers window is closing and if you can’t get this group into the Super Bowl this year it’s quite possible this is it for them. Gordon Bosa and Allen are hurt a lot, seems their secondary is always hurt for like the last 10 years. Father Time comes a calling for rivers and Lynn might be out of a job before McDermott if they don’t have a good replacement lined up. This LA market ?? pressure is on from the nfl to build winners there I honestly can't tell if this is a serious post. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 Sean. He was made for Buffalo. And who cares about this question, I mean why keep asking it? It’s not like anyone can give a real answer with such small sample sizes. Can’t both coaches be doing a good job? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 If Lynn was still here, it is likely that we’d still have all of the old Ralph Wilson gang running things (minus Brandon). Whaley would probably still be GM. Scott Berchtold would probably still be director of communications and the Bills would probably still be leaking embarrassing information to the press on a regular basis. McDermott is the main reason that the Bills finally cleaned house after 17 straight years of failure. Im sure some good people were let go, but the Bills desperately needed a fresh start IMO. So far, I like the way McDermott and Beane have built the culture of this team. It’s not just some buzzword with them. It’s real. Only time will tell how it works out. But I like the direction they’re headed at the moment. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 Anthony Lynn but not for the reasons most would think. Lynn has a greater mental fortitude that allows him to separate the rah rah emotion to the necessary strategy. Case in point McDermott is more of a front line coach. He’s not a long term strategist. This explains the step back in 2018 over 2017. A good coach only goes forward with minimal hiccups year 2 is often better than year 1. The excuses for McD are plentiful for this year 2 downturn. My question is what happens when year 3 starts worse than expected? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 Where did Lynn take his team in year 1, with his elite QB and plenty of other great players? Not to the playoffs. McDermott took his team to the playoffs with a far inferior team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lfod Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 What if Lynn didn't want Buffalo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 Lynn is doing great but any connection to to Ryan needed to be expunged. McDermott is a great coach and has a plan and philosophy that works. We will be winning regularly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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