ExWNYer Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 6 hours ago, fansince88 said: Just spoke with Astro. Says, it will all materialize in the next 48 hours..... Im just the messanger 4 minutes ago, IgotBILLStopay said: Mack is the most likely since: a. The posters conservative track record indicates this will be for a blue chip guy. He is not likely to say Beane is not done for a Coleman type trade (note: I love the Coleman trade - but he is not a blue chipper) b. The timing that something is going to happen in the next few days is the big giveaway - There are two elements that are needed for a Mack trade - 1. agreeing to terms with the raiders and 2. agreeing to extension terms with Mack. I suspect that 1. is done and 2. is ongoing. Without both of these two elements, why would there be advance notice of something big in a few days? If it is a straightforward trade without any extensions, it would have been announced already. That said, Aaron Donald will meet these criteria as well - so there is something to what you say. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 An extremely dominate D can win Super Bowls. Ravens have done it, Tampa did with Trent Dilfer as QB, Steelers nearly made the super bowl Big Ben's rookie year on the back of their D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 Honest question: How does Mack compare to Bosa and the other top DLine guys in this draft? Follow up: How do the costs compare over 4-5 years? Then: Do we get a shot at those top guys? Mack is a proven (but expensive) commodity. I can’t say that I have a firm opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Things Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 37 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Who's hungry? Man, I miss those things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 On 8/6/2018 at 7:40 PM, YoloinOhio said: Make it so...? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPT Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 11 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Seems worth the pittance we gave up for him to give him a shot now that Foster has forgotten how to catch a football with his hands. What is he catching it with now? I'm not picky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clyde Smith Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 (edited) Mack could be our Biscuit to put us over the top. Please make it happen. Edited August 8, 2018 by Clyde Smith 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 3 minutes ago, MPT said: What is he catching it with now? I'm not picky. Reports are he's double-clutching and body catching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lfod Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, IgotBILLStopay said: Mack is the most likely since: a. The posters conservative track record indicates this will be for a blue chip guy. He is not likely to say Beane is not done for a Coleman type trade (note: I love the Coleman trade - but he is not a blue chipper yet) b. The timing that something is going to happen in the next few days is the big giveaway - There are two elements that are needed for a Mack trade - 1. agreeing to terms with the raiders and 2. agreeing to extension terms with Mack. I suspect that 1. is done and 2. is ongoing. Without both of these two elements, why would there be advance notice of something big in a few days? If it is a straightforward trade without any extensions, it would have been announced already. That said, Aaron Donald will meet these criteria as well - so there is something to what you say. I can agree with everything you said. Except I think 2 is done and 1 is ongoing. Edited August 8, 2018 by Lfod Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zerovoltz Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 If I were the Bills, I would offer my 1 and other stuff to try and get Mack. He is not averse to cold weather, he likes Buffalo, and he is a proven great player, AND you have the cap room for it. IF you can get him, you do it. That said, the Packers are in win now mode, and they are the only team as of right now with 2 1st round picks in the 2019 draft. They may be inclined to offer up both of those for Mack...(I'd do it) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 1 hour ago, RyanC883 said: An extremely dominate D can win Super Bowls. Ravens have done it, Tampa did with Trent Dilfer as QB, Steelers nearly made the super bowl Big Ben's rookie year on the back of their D. Trent Dilfer was the QB of the Ravens, Brad Johnson was the QB for Tampa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lfod Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 3 minutes ago, Zerovotlz said: If I were the Bills, I would offer my 1 and other stuff to try and get Mack. He is not averse to cold weather, he likes Buffalo, and he is a proven great player, AND you have the cap room for it. IF you can get him, you do it. That said, the Packers are in win now mode, and they are the only team as of right now with 2 1st round picks in the 2019 draft. They may be inclined to offer up both of those for Mack...(I'd do it) It's cool outside fans visit the board to leave perspective. It's good to see the view from fans of other teams. Anyway back on topic responding to your post. Honestly if I am the Bills I might just pass it up if the Packers are just going to come over the top and raise up the price. I think the Bills had a good defense last season. It definitely was the teams strength in my view. Adding a player like Mack is over kill at this point. If the Bills landed Mack I would love it because I know it would just be another threat. I myself wouldn't be as desperate to make it happen. If I could swing it cool. I think I would pool my rescources into finding ways to score more points overall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted August 8, 2018 Author Share Posted August 8, 2018 20 minutes ago, Lfod said: I can agree with everything you said. Except I think 2 is done and 1 is ongoing. Ongoing? I don’t know that Beane would make such a deal without an extension in place. Astro suggesting that this deal might “materialize” within the next 48 hours gives me pause on my hopes for KM. He will receive the largest contract for a defensive player, ever. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple haze Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Johnny Hammersticks said: Ongoing? I don’t know that Beane would make such a deal without an extension in place. Astro suggesting that this deal might “materialize” within the next 48 hours gives me pause on my hopes for KM. He will receive the largest contract for a defensive player, ever. Until Aaron Donald gets his deal. Edited August 8, 2018 by purple haze Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lfod Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 4 minutes ago, Johnny Hammersticks said: Ongoing? I don’t know that Beane would make such a deal without an extension in place. Astro suggesting that this deal might “materialize” within the next 48 hours gives me pause on my hopes for KM. He will receive the largest contract for a defensive player, ever. If Astro says 48 hours then I agree a deal is in place. Landing Mack would definitely be a big deal. I agree with a lot of you that Mack makes a lot of sense. I kinda hope something happens in the next few days because this thread has me hyped up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPL7 Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 I just don't see how the BIlls can even make the move, given the amount of money the team has already spent on the D-line. Murphy isnt going anywhere, Hughes has too much dead cap money this year to be able to take on Mack's contract. Yes, the Bills have plenty of flexibility moving forward, but none to speak of this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDogg20 Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 They absolutely should offer a first, but not this coming years first. Jerry Hughes and a first in the following years draft plus some sort of throw in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mabden Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 Wait till he is a free agent and sign him to a contract worthy of his skills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 5 hours ago, Augie said: Honest question: How does Mack compare to Bosa and the other top DLine guys in this draft? Follow up: How do the costs compare over 4-5 years? Then: Do we get a shot at those top guys? Mack is a proven (but expensive) commodity. I can’t say that I have a firm opinion. For me, Mack is the sort of player who comes at a high price but who doesn't impact the bottom line of wins and losses on a team like the Bills. Without an established, proven QB, Mack isn't the right fit here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 6 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: [This is an automated response] The topic title is potentially misleading. Accurate titles help the community find topics relevant to their interests and avoids reader frustration. Please change the topic title to more accurately reflect content of the original post.The topic starter can edit the topic title line to make it more appropriate. Thank you. By your leave, fellow Mod. Actually, it’s not. https://raiderswire.usatoday.com/2018/08/07/espn-raiders-de-khalil-mack-could-be-a-trade-candidate/amp/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 5 hours ago, RyanC883 said: An extremely dominate D can win Super Bowls. Ravens have done it, Tampa did with Trent Dilfer as QB, Steelers nearly made the super bowl Big Ben's rookie year on the back of their D. Big Ben is probably going to the HOF. When Baltimore did it, Flacco was playing on a level way higher than Tyrod is capable of playing at. I'll give you Trent Dilfer, but the odds of winning a Superbowl via the "great defense" route are slim. Mack doesn't change this team's win/loss column enough to justify the cost. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgotBILLStopay Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 5 hours ago, Lfod said: I can agree with everything you said. Except I think 2 is done and 1 is ongoing. Tampering? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince88 Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 Hmmmm, Wiki says that Mack is a practicing Christian.....hmmmmm 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 I’d give up a 1st and a cheap Shaq Lawson, and pay him top DE money. They can find a way to make the contract work. How would you like a Broncos of a few years ago when yes, Manning is absolutely a hero, but his last year was terrible and so was Osweiler (forgot spelling). They won with a tremendous defense as was mentioned in Tampa. I followed every game that year and they were avg at best or worse on offense. Their defense was amazing. With Mack we will crush a ton of teams. Id even be willing we split the Pats. He’s a proven commodity. 1st round picks are still a gamble as how many have not worked out with good Mgmt. Mack will crush it in Buffalo, and he loves Buffalo. I agree stroke Chucky’s ego as I actually coached against him twice in flag football when his and my boys were ofthat age. BTW- shameless plug but we split with him. He was a very gracious person. besides, Chucky wants more offensive weapons and would take Lawson to replace Mack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 5 hours ago, Zerovotlz said: If I were the Bills, I would offer my 1 and other stuff to try and get Mack. He is not averse to cold weather, he likes Buffalo, and he is a proven great player, AND you have the cap room for it. IF you can get him, you do it. That said, the Packers are in win now mode, and they are the only team as of right now with 2 1st round picks in the 2019 draft. They may be inclined to offer up both of those for Mack...(I'd do it) You are crazy if you think the packers would consider for one second trading 2 firsts for a defensive player who’ll be looking for a huge contract. The Raiders will be lucky to get one first for Mack. Sure, they might want more, but they won’t get it. 2 hours ago, CDogg20 said: They absolutely should offer a first, but not this coming years first. Jerry Hughes and a first in the following years draft plus some sort of throw in. Other than being a few years younger, I’m not sure Mack is that much better than Hughes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JXCOL3 Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 The real question is..... where will we put Beane's statue after this deal for Khalil is made??? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 7 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Who's hungry? ....Roch-Cha-Cha's "Flavortown"........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 25 minutes ago, mannc said: You are crazy if you think the packers would consider for one second trading 2 firsts for a defensive player who’ll be looking for a huge contract. The Raiders will be lucky to get one first for Mack. Sure, they might want more, but they won’t get it. Other than being a few years younger, I’m not sure Mack is that much better than Hughes. Has anyone ever traded two first round picks for an NFL player? Obviously it happens during the draft, I just don’t remember a team getting a haul like that for a guy already in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 Stranger things (though none come to mind)... https://www.google.com/amp/s/raiderswire.usatoday.com/2018/08/07/espn-raiders-de-khalil-mack-could-be-a-trade-candidate/amp/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 2 hours ago, CDogg20 said: They absolutely should offer a first, but not this coming years first. Jerry Hughes and a first in the following years draft plus some sort of throw in. Give Mr. Mack Jerry's overpowered Camaro as a signing bonus! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 Oh boy, here we go..... Link F5!!!! 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Commonsense said: Has anyone ever traded two first round picks for an NFL player? Obviously it happens during the draft, I just don’t remember a team getting a haul like that for a guy already in the league. It does not happen for non-QBs—only in TSW fantasyland. Edited August 8, 2018 by mannc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KGun12TD Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 (edited) 10 hours ago, matter2003 said: Would you be OK with the Bills trading a first round pick and then signing him to a big extension considering our pick will be top 10 next year most likely? We Won’t be picking top 10 with the Defense we will have...I’d do it in a blink! Edited August 8, 2018 by KGun12TD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CowgirlsFan Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 8 hours ago, PIZ said: Are those as good as they look? Yes! It's definitely unique. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donbb Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 15 hours ago, fansince88 said: Just spoke with Astro. Says, it will all materialize in the next 48 hours..... Im just the messanger 33 hours to go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornette's Commentary Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, donbb said: 33 hours to go Well, if you recall, the Watkins and Darby trades took place within 48 hours of the first home preseason game last year, so... Edited August 8, 2018 by Cornette's Commentary 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmy10 Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 9 hours ago, PIZ said: Are those as good as they look? Better, even. Depends on where you go though. Like our brothers and sisters in Buffalo often say about Anchor Bar, just because Tahou’s is where they originated doesn’t mean it’s necessarily the best plate. 1 hour ago, Virgil said: Oh boy, here we go..... Link F5!!!! @SDS, we need an angry button for “God&$@$, you got me.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 Interesting thread. The real question is if not what position would the Bills use that First Round pick on next year. QB...no. LT...no. DL...no. DB...no. Please don’t tell me we’re using it to pick a WR! So I guess that leaves a Guard? Considering all of that, I guess I’d make the trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 10 hours ago, Bangarang said: Misleading title. Also, the Raiders are going to want a king's ransom. What's misleading about the title ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That's No Moon Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 9 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Who's hungry? I realize this is blasphemy for some, but no part of that looks even remotely appetizing. 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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