H2o Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 Ok, let's just say that Astro is hinting at Khalil Mack here. I don't see Beane parting with a 1st Round pick, just doesn't seem like his m.o. with the way he's handled things over the last year or so. Maybe two 2nd Round picks and two 3rd's over 2019 and 2020 as well as some players involved. Maybe, just maybe, he would throw in the 2020 1st because he expects the team to be on a different path by then. I don't think he gives up the 2019 1st at this point. One would think that Lawson and Washington are two guys they would like to ship out, but are they really any sort of compensation at this point? I would like to have Mack on this team as much as anyone else, but I don't know if Beane is willing to part with what the Raiders would want in return for him. You also have to take into account that Mark Davis is a delusional idiot and may not be one that can be plausibly reasoned with. Also, there is the contract issue involved. Mack is likely after $20,000,000 per season. It would probably be a deal in the 4 year 75-80 mill range with at least 3/4 of that guaranteed. He is a dominant player though so it wouldn't be like Mario all over again. Whatever happens, whatever moves are made, I'm pretty confident in the FO in place and believe they will do what is best for our team not only now, but in the future as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 I’d trade a 1st rounder for Mack if it was top 5 protected, but not sure NFL allows what is a common practice in NBA due to lack of draft lottery which NFL totally needs to institute. If Bills pick falls in top 5, then Raiders get choice of our 2nd rounder or 2020 1st rounder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 If it's actually just not done at WR, I wonder if they're looking at Travis Benjamin as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HumbleAndHungry Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 Both the LA Rams and the Oakland Raiders have put themselves in a financial predicament regarding their two defensive star players. I wouldn't be surprised if Aaron Donald and Kahlil Mack both were traded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 4 minutes ago, Finkle Is Einhorn said: Both the LA Rams and the Oakland Raiders have put themselves in a financial predicament regarding their two defensive star players. I wouldn't be surprised if Aaron Donald and Kahlil Mack both were traded. Lets just go get Mack and Donald. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 I don't know how the Bills would fit Mack under the cap for this season............... but I digress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunshynman Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 13 hours ago, Virgil said: F5 Hit Control + F4, that will get you to the latest post! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 Send the 1st and 3rd for Mack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessAccepted Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 12 hours ago, Mickey said: I'd trade three firsts for Mac and throw Shaq in for free. And if it took four, I'd do it dammit. Great to see Buddy Nix is still interested in Bills football ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 Tom Condon was at Bills camp today according to Rodak. Is he anyones agent? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 1 hour ago, donbb said: / That article echoes the poster who said earlier the Raiders literally cannot afford to pay Mack. In my opinion, this lessens Mack's trade value. I'd offer the Raiders a 2020 1st round pick and Shaq Lawson. can't see the Raiders wanting to do something like that. An underachieving player and a draft pick 2 years away? A likely lower draft pick than a 2019 pick would be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 1 hour ago, donbb said: That article echoes the poster who said earlier the Raiders literally cannot afford to pay Mack. In my opinion, this lessens Mack's trade value. I'd offer the Raiders a 2020 1st round pick and Shaq Lawson. Gotta do better than that. They'll want next years 1st and maybe a 2020 2nd along with a player like Lawson or even Hughes. And you know what? I'd pay it!!! Mack (Thumper)/ Edmunds (Enforcer)/ Milano (Hawk) . WOW!!! Use the cap space savings for talent on Offense and away we go!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 As much as we all would love Mack, let’s stay grounded here as there is just no way anyone inside the Bills leaked we are after Mack or any other specific target to Astro. Astro most likely just repeated what someone likely told him, that Beane is busy eyeing or working on other moves. But there just is no way someone gave him details ahead of those moves. That being said, Beane still looking at other moves in general still opens up the possibility for Mack, all be it a low one IMO as I would find it hard to believe the Raiders would trade him, let alone trade him for a package Beane would be willing to pay. I think it more likely suggests Shaq, Washington, or someone could be moved out. But hey, Beane is a witch so I wouldn’t put it past him to pull off some big trade either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trogdor Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 13 hours ago, Bill_with_it said: Whaley made sure that wouldn’t happen by doubling down on a previous mistake. For the love of god, our line was stacked that year and we had nobody outside of Woods at WR. It made much more sense to draft a WR at the time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irv Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 Shady, Hughes and a 1st for Mack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornette's Commentary Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 4 minutes ago, billsbackto81 said: Gotta do better than that. They'll want next years 1st and maybe a 2020 2nd along with a player like Lawson or even Hughes. And you know what? I'd pay it!!! Mack (Thumper)/ Edmunds (Enforcer)/ Milano (Hawk) . WOW!!! Use the cap space savings for talent on Offense and away we go!!! Mack would be a DE in this scheme, not a linebacker. 1 minute ago, Irv said: Shady, Hughes and a 1st for Mack. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irv Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 3 minutes ago, Cornette's Commentary said: Mack would be a DE in this scheme, not a linebacker. Shady and Hughes are on the other side of the hill. You think there is anybody in next years draft better than Mack? Sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 Just now, Cornette's Commentary said: Mack would be a DE in this scheme, not a linebacker. The man's the ultimate hybrid and can play obviously either position. I was having grandiose visions of our back 3 and you ruined it!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornette's Commentary Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 1 minute ago, Irv said: Shady and Hughes are on the other side of the hill. You think there is anybody in next years draft better than Mack? Sorry. The other side of WHAT hill? You want to potentially trot out a rookie QB with Marcus Murphy and Chris Ivory as the starting running backs, just so you can wear a red, white and blue Khalil Mack jersey on Sundays? Please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pantoute Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 Fairly easy to say when you know that Beane is NEVER done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted August 7, 2018 Author Share Posted August 7, 2018 48 minutes ago, Captain Hindsight said: Tom Condon was at Bills camp today according to Rodak. Is he anyones agent? He’s not Khalil Mack’s agent... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 13 minutes ago, Johnny Hammersticks said: He’s not Khalil Mack’s agent... Yet....? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 1 hour ago, Captain Hindsight said: Tom Condon was at Bills camp today according to Rodak. Is he anyones agent? Josh Allen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted August 7, 2018 Author Share Posted August 7, 2018 1 minute ago, Captain Hindsight said: Yet....? Haha...he is Josh Allen’s agent though. Probably just there to get a garbage plate with the kid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 Where does all this Mack talk stem from? Anything substantial? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irv Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 44 minutes ago, Cornette's Commentary said: The other side of WHAT hill? You want to potentially trot out a rookie QB with Marcus Murphy and Chris Ivory as the starting running backs, just so you can wear a red, white and blue Khalil Mack jersey on Sundays? Please. Yes. You are correct. Peterman and McCarron are not rookies. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Johnny Hammersticks said: He’s not Khalil Mack’s agent... Aaron Donald. More likely Condon here for a current Bill. Checking on Allen. Edited August 7, 2018 by TheTruthHurts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 5 minutes ago, njbuff said: Where does all this Mack talk stem from? Anything substantial? No just having fun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 5 minutes ago, njbuff said: Where does all this Mack talk stem from? Anything substantial? Nothing at all. He could be traded though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 52 minutes ago, Irv said: Shady and Hughes are on the other side of the hill. You think there is anybody in next years draft better than Mack? Sorry. There may or may not be anyone better than Mack in this upcoming draft but you're advocating trading 2 of our best players and a 1st and handing out a huge contract over keeping 2 of our best players and drafting an above average pass rusher in a deep DE draft, on a rookie contract. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North Buffalo Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 Comes from the fact that he is holding out, working out with his brother at UB, stated Buffalo is his town and a UFA next year. One could hope... no idea what it would take to make the deal. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 15 hours ago, Cornette's Commentary said: Give up valuable, high future picks that could be used to shore up the offensive line and get legitimate receivers and tight ends for Allen? Brilliant. <sarcasm> Whoa, an angsty middle class white guy with big time attitude and no discernible sense of humor?!?!? You're going to be a hit. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irv Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 (edited) 27 minutes ago, SCBills said: There may or may not be anyone better than Mack in this upcoming draft but you're advocating trading 2 of our best players and a 1st and handing out a huge contract over keeping 2 of our best players and drafting an above average pass rusher in a deep DE draft, on a rookie contract. Mack replaces Hughes and is a better, younger player. So is it worth giving up Shady and the 1st? Shady is not going to last forever. Getting a little long in the tooth - 30 years old with a lot of mileage. Maybe he's got one good year left. And let's not forget the potential legal problems he might face. So now, is Mack worth that 1st is the only thing to argue. I think he's the NFL Defensive or overall MVP for several years to come and he wants to be here. How often does that happen? Edited August 7, 2018 by Irv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted August 7, 2018 Author Share Posted August 7, 2018 4 minutes ago, Irv said: Mack replaces Hughes and is a better, younger player. So is it worth giving up Shady and the 1st? Shady is not going to last forever. Getting a little long in the tooth - 30 years old with a lot of mileage. Maybe he's got one good year left. And let's not forget the potential legal problems he might face. So now, is Mack worth that 1st is the only thing to argue. I think he's the NFL Defensive or overall MVP for several years to come and he wants to be here. How often does that happen? The flip side of that coin is that there is a decent chance Mack becomes an UFA next year. Why give away assets for him now if he ultimately wants to be here? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irv Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 1 minute ago, Johnny Hammersticks said: The flip side of that coin is that there is a decent chance Mack becomes an UFA next year. Why give away assets for him now if he ultimately wants to be here? True. I'd just like to have him this year. The guy is unstoppable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 1 minute ago, Irv said: True. I'd just like to have him this year. The guy is unstoppable. I would too. If he continues to hold out, I think the Raiders start losing leverage. You might be able to get him without giving up a first. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 9 minutes ago, Irv said: Mack replaces Hughes and is a better, younger player. So is it worth giving up Shady and the 1st? Shady is not going to last forever. Getting a little long in the tooth - 30 years old with a lot of mileage. Maybe he's got one good year left. And let's not forget the potential legal problems he might face. So now, is Mack worth that 1st is the only thing to argue. I think he's the NFL Defensive or overall MVP for several years to come and he wants to be here. How often does that happen? If you replaced Jerry Hughes with Shaq Lawson, I'd be tempted. I'd be extremely concerned with our offense if you take Shady away, but it might be too hard to pass up. However, if that's what it takes, along with next years 1st, I'd be willing to move on that but want to see a year or two of Mack with Hughes, not Mack instead of Hughes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said: I would too. If he continues to hold out, I think the Raiders start losing leverage. You might be able to get him without giving up a first. Not exactly. He'll eventually report to gain another year toward UFA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 (edited) Since we're dreaming here, I think a 2019 1st rounder, Lawson and a 2020 3rd rounder would be reasonable. Edited August 7, 2018 by Magox 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irv Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 2 minutes ago, Magox said: Since we're dreaming here, I think a 2019 1st rounder, Lawson and a 2020 3rd rounder would be reasonable. I don't understand the Lawson talk. He's on the Bills roster bubble and is lauded for being an "edge setter". At this point he has less value than an Irish Setter. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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