Bills trade with Browns for Corey Coleman

[dollars 2 donuts]

1 hour ago, stuvian said:

I like the move and am glad we are buying low for a change. I hope we have something similar cooked up at OL.

 

Amen to that, Stuvi.

 

Even if it isn't a trade it would be great to add a legitimate OLineman sometime before the start of the season.

[pi2000]

Roscoe Parrish part deux

[DJB]

3 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

I thought he is more of an outside guy with his speed.  But if he is, why do we value slot guys so much? They are so easy to find.

 

I watched a bit of video and Coleman played some outside so i guess maybe he plays there? 

[BillsFan4]

I wonder if we will see this trade on Hard Knocks. I’d bet we will. Should be interesting... 

 

 

Love this move by Beane. He grabbed a recent top 15 pick for what sounds like peanuts. Well worth the gamble for Buffalo. 

 

And if he works out, we finally have a legit deep threat again. 

[MAJBobby]

Also Bills go workout Brandon Coleman as well see if he is healthy was released by the Saints. Keep upgrading that WR position group 

[Patrick Duffy]

52 minutes ago, Domdab99 said:

Why are so many of you slobbering over Foster?  He’s shown very little in camp. He wasn’t drafted for a reason. 

 

I’d like to see Reilly/DuPree/Phillips get a shot. 

Agree, love me some Reilly. I look for him to do very well and hope he makes the 53. Hard worker this kid.

[artmalibu]

This trade shows us they dont think the rookies they brought in are ready. His speed will also make it tough for teams to key on Shady in the run game, teams will need to respect the deep threat.  If he is only decent the offense just got a lot better.  

[ndirish1978]

It's a late rd draft pick for a player with a lot of upside at a position of need. Not sure how this one is getting picked apart by anyone.

[xxxxxxxx]

1 hour ago, Richard Noggin said:

This is a smart observation. Although I'd argue the current roster has a blend of age, measurables, and draft statuses.

 

But for the sake of argument, if the GM is indeed trying to amass a roster of big, tall, and fast athletes, first and foremost...does that mean it's now up to the coaching staff to put them in positions to succeed? 

True. Very true.

[SoTier]

2 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

 

 

Good job Cleveland lol.

 

If they are trading him I don't expect much here. It also means our FO is really concerned about our WRs.

 

 

 

Kinda late for being "really concerned" don't you think?   They didn't bother drafting any WRs until the 6th and 7th rounds of 2018.   It's more like they're bargain hunting at a rummage sale.

 

1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

They had 11 1st rd draft picks in 7 yrs between 2009-2016. NONE are still on the team. That’s almost impossible to do but they succeeded.

^^^

1 hour ago, LeGOATski said:

Holy hell. That team should be moved down to the AAF. They belong in the minor leagues until they prove themselves.

 

The Bills haven't done significantly better ...

2016 ... Shaq Lawson

2015 ... no first rounder

2014 ... Sammy Watkins

2013 ... EJ Manuel

2012 ... Stephon Gilmore

2011 ... Marcell Dareus

2010 ... CJ Spiller

2009 ... Aaron Maybin & Eric Wood

 

[BobbyC81]

4 hours ago, dneveu said:

 

Not a lot of people on the last two Browns rosters had very good percentages. 2nd year receiver whos struggled with injuries and like 5 qbs in 3 years. 

 

Yeah, I was going to say that poor passes by the QBs count as targets.

 

I still wouldn't mind the Bills bringing in LaFell, especially since it would cost them nothing but a salary.

[Domdab99]

Bills will most likely grab a top 3 WR in next year’s draft. 

[Dadonkadonk]

This board was so happy to trade Watkins but is happy to add this guy.  Watkins at least produced, this guy hasn't. 

But if it us a low round pick, the risk is low.

I still doubt they cut Zay. But maybe he is also moved for a low round pick.

[LeGOATski]

30 minutes ago, SoTier said:

 

Kinda late for being "really concerned" don't you think?   They didn't bother drafting any WRs until the 6th and 7th rounds of 2018.   It's more like they're bargain hunting at a rummage sale.

 

^^^

 

The Bills haven't done significantly better ...

2016 ... Shaq Lawson

2015 ... no first rounder

2014 ... Sammy Watkins

2013 ... EJ Manuel

2012 ... Stephon Gilmore

2011 ... Marcell Dareus

2010 ... CJ Spiller

2009 ... Aaron Maybin & Eric Wood

 

Eric Wood, Dareus, Gilmore, Watkins...jury still out on Shaq

 

Regardless, the Bills have been the better team over these years.

[Doc Brown]

I am still completely perplexeded on why Beane refuses to sign a speed guy to stretch the field that we lost with Watkins and Goodwin.  It took him about a year to address it.  Better late than never and hopefully being traded can give him an opportunity to resurrect his career so he isn't labeled another Browns 1st round bust.

Edited August 6, 2018 by Doc Brown

[reddogblitz]

29 minutes ago, SoTier said:

 

Kinda late for being "really concerned" don't you think?   They didn't bother drafting any WRs until the 6th and 7th rounds of 2018.   It's more like they're bargain hunting at a rummage sale.

 

^^^

 

The Bills haven't done significantly better ...

2016 ... Shaq Lawson

2015 ... no first rounder

2014 ... Sammy Watkins

2013 ... EJ Manuel

2012 ... Stephon Gilmore

2011 ... Marcell Dareus

2010 ... CJ Spiller

2009 ... Aaron Maybin & Eric Wood

 

 

All of these guys are still playing except 2.

3 are starters.

1 started in the SB.

1 sacked our QB on the playoffs

 

Why did you leave out the Tredavian Nightmare?

 

The reason they still aren't contributing here is because Beane traded them for draft picks.  Not because they aren't good.

[Big C]

8 minutes ago, Dadonkadonk said:

This board was so happy to trade Watkins but is happy to add this guy.  Watkins at least produced, this guy hasn't. 

But if it us a low round pick, the risk is low.

I still doubt they cut Zay. But maybe he is also moved for a low round pick.

 

I think there is a difference between flipping an underperforming top 5 pick with one year left on his deal for a 2nd and acquiring an underperforming top 15 pick with a possible 3 years left on his deal for a late round pick. It's more on the economics side of the game. Sammy is still the better player, but both guys played with less than stellar QBs and both have had injuries get in the way. 

 

And as we see the bigger picture stuff unfold - trading away players to get draft capital so that we can take Allen and Edmunds - I feel like that justifies those types of moves. Just need to get the right guys. Last year was a good start. Let's see how this one plays out.

[Lurker]

Hopefully, this is another "Browns Being Browns" move by Cleveland:       

   https://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2018/08/corey_coleman_could_never_esca.html

 

CLE being down on Coleman because he broke his hand two consecutive years seems odd--what's he supposed to do, tell his bones to heal faster?   https://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2018/06/todd_haley_advises_corey_colem.html

 

The good news is, its a no risk move.   The Bills are only on the hook for $3.548 million in Coleman's salary over the next two years--essentially chicken feed.   At that kind of cost, he can be valuable even as a situational player.

[Big C]

13 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

I am still completely perplexeded on why Beane refuses to sign a speed guy to stretch the field that we lost with Watkins and Goodwin.  It took him about a year to address it.  Better late than never and hopefully being traded can give him an opportunity to resurrect his career so he isn't labeled another Browns 1st round bust.

 

Watkins was a move to get us some draft capital. We will see how his career plans out but it's a move we needed to make for the bug picture.

 

Goodwin left before Beane was here and I'm sure he wanted a change of scenery, or SF offered him a better deal than us based on potential. Goodwin wasn't fully committed to football when he was with us and now he is and he is playing well. It's kind of revisionist history to say it was a mistake to let him walk. 

[Dadonkadonk]

27 minutes ago, Domdab99 said:

Bills will most likely grab a top 3 WR in next year’s draft. 

Unlikely. They will draft OLB in first round.  Then DL, TE, and OT before WR. 

1 minute ago, Big C said:

 

Watkins was a move to get us some draft capital. We will see how his career plans out but it's a move we needed to make for the bug picture.

 

Goodwin left before Beane was here and I'm sure he wanted a change of scenery, or SF offered him a better deal than us based on potential. Goodwin wasn't fully committed to football when he was with us and now he is and he is playing well. It's kind of revisionist history to say it was a mistake to let him walk. 

Trading Watkins was a mistake. And Goodwin was committed plenty to football. He just did more in the off season than his peers. That said with his injury history I had no problem with letting him go.

[Doc Brown]

13 minutes ago, Big C said:

 

Watkins was a move to get us some draft capital. We will see how his career plans out but it's a move we needed to make for the bug picture.

 

Goodwin left before Beane was here and I'm sure he wanted a change of scenery, or SF offered him a better deal than us based on potential. Goodwin wasn't fully committed to football when he was with us and now he is and he is playing well. It's kind of revisionist history to say it was a mistake to let him walk. 

I'm not questioning those moves.  I just questioned why he didn't find a WR to stretch the field after they left.  Hopefully, this move addresses that.

[GunnerBill]

Just woke up to this news. I like. I like a lot. When this kid has been healthy he has been good. Low risk, high reward. 

[SoTier]

36 minutes ago, reddogblitz said:

 

All of these guys are still playing except 2.

3 are starters.

1 started in the SB.

1 sacked our QB on the playoffs

 

Why did you leave out the Tredavian Nightmare?

 

The reason they still aren't contributing here is because Beane traded them for draft picks.  Not because they aren't good.

 

The fact is, though, that they are NOT on the Bills even though the Bills drafted them in the first round.  The Bills continue to be the NFL's premier farm team, developing top players for other teams, especially Super Bowl contenders like NE, Seattle and Philly.

 

Yolo used  2009-2016, so I used those same year parameters. 

 

Being traded for a draft pick -- or allowed to walk away in FA -- seems to be the fate of virtually all the talented young  players the Bills have developed since Donahoe was fired whether they were first rounders or UDFA.  More than anything else, that's the reason why the Bills have made the playoffs only once in this entire century. 

[transplantbillsfan]

Checked 1st page.

 

Checked 2nd page.

 

Checked last page.

 

How are people not more excited about an incredibly low risk (sounds like we lose a 5th at worst, is that right?) and incredibly high reward acquisition????

 

Love it!

[Lfod]

1 hour ago, Dadonkadonk said:

Unlikely. They will draft OLB in first round.  Then DL, TE, and OT before WR. 

Trading Watkins was a mistake. And Goodwin was committed plenty to football. He just did more in the off season than his peers. That said with his injury history I had no problem with letting him go.

I love hearing about how great Watkins is as a decoy. Tell me more. 

Edited August 6, 2018 by Lfod

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

47 minutes ago, SoTier said:

 

The fact is, though, that they are NOT on the Bills even though the Bills drafted them in the first round.  The Bills continue to be the NFL's premier farm team, developing top players for other teams, especially Super Bowl contenders like NE, Seattle and Philly.

 

Yolo used  2009-2016, so I used those same year parameters. 

 

Being traded for a draft pick -- or allowed to walk away in FA -- seems to be the fate of virtually all the talented young  players the Bills have developed since Donahoe was fired whether they were first rounders or UDFA.  More than anything else, that's the reason why the Bills have made the playoffs only once in this entire century. 

 

You must be a blast at parties 

[Pbomb]

53 minutes ago, SoTier said:

 

The fact is, though, that they are NOT on the Bills even though the Bills drafted them in the first round.  The Bills continue to be the NFL's premier farm team, developing top players for other teams, especially Super Bowl contenders like NE, Seattle and Philly.

 

Yolo used  2009-2016, so I used those same year parameters. 

 

Being traded for a draft pick -- or allowed to walk away in FA -- seems to be the fate of virtually all the talented young  players the Bills have developed since Donahoe was fired whether they were first rounders or UDFA.  More than anything else, that's the reason why the Bills have made the playoffs only once in this entire century. 

When you change coaches and gms every 2 to 3 years the rosters turnover increases alot. To say we are a farm team is ridiculous, we keep plenty of good players. All teams lose and dont resign some of their draft picks

[CDogg20]

7 hours ago, ChevyVanMiller said:

The end for Zay in Buffalo?

The start of Zays slot career more likely. I have a tough time believing were going to give up on a second rounder less than a year after trading up to draft him. 

[nucci]

7 hours ago, GETTOTHE50 said:

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSS. Buffalo sports teams have been making solid trades lately. Things are trending up!!!

Each team finally has a GM 

[Solomon Grundy]

Is it alright now to pkg some future draft picks to the Raiders for Khalil Mack?

[Fadingpain]

1 hour ago, Pbomb said:

When you change coaches and gms every 2 to 3 years the rosters turnover increases alot. To say we are a farm team is ridiculous, we keep plenty of good players. All teams lose and dont resign some of their draft picks

Our retention rate in the last 5 years of our top picks has been atrocious.

 

 

[What a Tuel]

2 hours ago, SoTier said:

 

The fact is, though, that they are NOT on the Bills even though the Bills drafted them in the first round.  The Bills continue to be the NFL's premier farm team, developing top players for other teams, especially Super Bowl contenders like NE, Seattle and Philly.

 

Yolo used  2009-2016, so I used those same year parameters. 

 

Being traded for a draft pick -- or allowed to walk away in FA -- seems to be the fate of virtually all the talented young  players the Bills have developed since Donahoe was fired whether they were first rounders or UDFA.  More than anything else, that's the reason why the Bills have made the playoffs only once in this entire century. 

 

Lets put this to rest right here:

 

The Bills have had their problems over the last 2 decades but they have not been as bad as the Browns and we don't have to equalize terribleness.

 

Browns W/L Record over 9 years: 34 / 110 (.236) out of 144 games

Last in Division 8/9 times

Won 4 games in last 3 years

 

Bills W/L Record over 9 years: 61 / 83 (.423) out of 144 games

Last in Division 5/9 times

Won 24 games in last 3 years

 

The Browns:

2017

Myles Garrett  - Unproven

Jabrill Peppers  - Unproven

David Njoku  - Unproven

2016

Corey Coleman - Traded - 2018 - Undisclosed pick

2015

Danny Shelton - Traded 2018 - 5th Round pick - 3rd Round pick in return

Cameron Erving - Traded 2017 - 5th Round pick

2014

Justin Gilbert - Traded 2016 - 6th Round pick - Out of League

Johnny Manziel - Cut 2016 - Out of league

2013

Barkevious Mingo - Traded 2016 - 5th round pick - Out of League

2012

Trent Richardson - Traded 2013 - 1st round pick - Out of League

Brandon Weeden - Waived 2014

2011

Phil Taylor - Cut 2014 - Out of league

2010

Joe Haden - Free Agent 2017 - Starter for 7 years

2009

Alex Mack - Free Agent 2014 - Starter for 7 years

 

The Bills:

2017

TreDavious White - Unproven

2016

Shaq Lawson - Still on team

2015

No Pick - Watkins Trade

2014

Sammy Watkins - Traded 2017 - 2nd Round pick + EJ Gaines

2013

EJ Manuel - Cut 2017

2012

Stephon Gilmore - Free Agent 2016

2011

Marcell Dareus - Traded 2017 - Starter for 6 years -  5th round pick

2010

C.J. Spiller - Free Agent 2015

2009

Aaron Maybin - Cut 2011

Eric Wood - Retired 2018 - Starter for 9 years

Edited August 6, 2018 by What a Tuel

[Chandler#81]

Not sure if this was mentioned, but he’s a Belitkoff Winner.

 

[CommonCents]

When you’re trading for potential you offer a late round pick. Well done Beane. I hope he can stay healthy and groove with Allen.

[Chandler#81]

8 hours ago, BuffaloRush said:

 

This trade shows... Jones is no guarantee

 

but.. but.. I read somewhere that this was a dumb question ??

[Blokestradamus]

Our top 4 receivers this year might well be fat and slow Kelvin, 2 route Corey Coleman, 'Fighting naked for Jesus' and Jeremy 'Ghosts made me fail a drug test' Kerley.

 

Fun times

[/dev/null]

18 minutes ago, Blokestradamus said:

Our top 4 receivers this year might well be fat and slow Kelvin, 2 route Corey Coleman, 'Fighting naked for Jesus' and Jeremy 'Ghosts made me fail a drug test' Kerley.

 

Fun times

 

And Tom Brady could take any one of them and make him look like a Pro Bowler

[Bockeye]

Excerpt from July 31 article

 

https://www.clevelandbrowns.com/news/5-browns-who-have-shined-through-5-days-of-training-camp

 

WR Corey Coleman: Toward the end of offseason workouts, first-year offensive coordinator Todd Haley said this season would be something of a “make or break” campaign for the third-year receiver. So far, those words seem to have lit a fire under Coleman, the 15th-overall pick in 2016 who has yet to live up to those lofty expectations because of injuries and other dynamics.

Over the past few days — notably in Sunday and Monday’s practices — the former Baylor star has flashed the talent that made him one of college football’s most explosive receivers. While time will tell if that translates to the regular season, it’s been a promising showing.

“I think that his confidence is growing,” head coach Hue Jackson said. “Corey is a confident player anyway. This is Year 3 and the fifth day in this, and he just kind of understands that you have to grind through it. He’s done that. I’ve been really impressed. He’s come out every day, been a little sore but has fought through it and went out and made plays.”

[GunnerBill]

I think the other thing this trade shows is that as excited as fans are about the young guys on the roster the front office and coaching staff simply are not seeing the necessary consistency from them to trust them as critical parts of this passing attack.  

 

I mentioned the other day that the Cover 1 guys had noticed Foster and Phillips both being dug out on the side in camp by Daboll for not recognising coverages and running the wrong routes. Ricky Proehl hardly seems to have made an impression and Ray Ray hasn't separated from the crowd either. I now figure that the Bills basically see 1 spot on the 53 going to one of the young guys (Foster, McCloud, Proehl, Phillips, Dupre, Reilly) possibly 2 if Zay can't get his act together, and then they will look to stash a couple more on the PS.  If I was taking a punt now on the 6 that make the 53 (and I still think it is possible though not likely that they keep 7) it would be:

 

Benjamin

Kerley

Coleman

Jones

Reilly

Holmes

[3rdnlng]

8 hours ago, greenyellowred said:

Over at the NFL forums, they are saying Cleveland is making room for Dez Bryant or Terrell Owens to fill the number two spot, since Josh Gordon may not be ready.

 

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000945164/comments/browns-trade-corey-coleman-to-bills-for-draft-pick

Don't forget James Lofton.