Bills trade with Browns for Corey Coleman

[Captain Murica]

1 minute ago, Johnny Hammersticks said:

I wonder if he’ll pass his physical with the hammy he’s been dealing with this summer?  Anyone know how he has looked this offseason?  Has he been limited by the hammy?

I see a lot of Browns fans saying he was having a good camp with them, and not happy about the return.

[Johnny Hammersticks]

Just now, Captain Murica said:

I see a lot of Browns fans saying he was having a good camp with them, and not happy about the return.

 

I’ve been seeing this on Twitter as well.  So maybe the hamstring thing has been a bit overblown?

[PromoTheRobot]

36 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

I thought catch percentage meant catchable balls. If that just means targets his catch percentage is meaningless. Anyone questioning why the Browns gave up a high 3rd for Tyrod Taylor should watch that video.

 

Woof, indeed.  If KB hated Cam, what must Coleman think of DK?

Edited August 6, 2018 by PromoTheRobot

[26CornerBlitz]

 

[H2o]

A 2020 7th? We got him for pocket lint 

[KGun12TD]

13 hours ago, Augie said:

 

 

 

Oh, and who is Corey Coleman???

You don't watch football much, do you?

[dave mcbride]

59 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Wow, Cleveland must hate this guy and think he is completely worthless.  Why would you just give up on a former first rounder 2 years in for a garbage 7th rounder?  As limited as Shaq might be, I’d be pissed if we did this.  

From Albert Breer's MMQB column today:

 

5. I think analytics are a very useful tool for NFL teams, but Corey Coleman’s failure to make any dent in Cleveland is probably a good example of relying too much on numbers. He ran a sub-4.4 40 at his pro day, and was incredibly productive at Baylor—he notched 74 catches for 1,363 yards and 20 touchdowns in 2015. It was a priority for Cleveland to find guys who could get in the end zone, and Coleman clearly showed he could in Waco. But on the flip side, there were questions about his football IQ coming out of a simple offense, and his route-running ability, and that’s why there are more than a couple teams that aren’t very surprised at how his time in Cleveland ended, with Sunday’s trade to Buffalo for a bag of pylons.

 

https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/08/06/dak-prescott-cowboys-training-camp-2018-mmqb-breer

42 minutes ago, Johnny Hammersticks said:

 

I’ve been seeing this on Twitter as well.  So maybe the hamstring thing has been a bit overblown?

It sounds like it's quite possibly a dumb-as-a-box-of-rocks issue (and he did get a 10 on the Wonderlic, which is freaking terrible). He has physical talent, though, and the Bills basically got him for free. 

[Teddy KGB]

3 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

I think it’s summed up pretty well in this thread

 

I think I watched him drop a super easy one in a game vs the Steelers where they seemed to be playing well

[Tsaikotic]

3 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

The board was so happy to trade Watkins? Please. A few people were, but most were not. I can dredge up the threads from the archive if you would like.

 

but i don’t really see any relevance  between trading SW and what would have been either a gigantic FA contract or nothing in return for a 2nd rd pick ...and trading a 7th in 2020 for a former 1st rounder and cheap player under contract for at least 2 more years other than they play the same position. 

 

some ppl try really hard to take 2 different situations and make them sound like the same situation

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Anyone caterwauling about this trade is doing so just to massage their own ego. The got the guy for next to nothing, and therefore have ZERO risk.

 

[billsredneck1]

2 minutes ago, joesixpack said:

Anyone caterwauling about this trade is doing so just to massage their own ego. The got the guy for next to nothing, and therefore have ZERO risk.

 

and all we need him to do is go routes and run deep to keep a safety and the back end occupied. that's all we need for right now. perfect trade.

[ColoradoBills]

2 hours ago, MAJBobby said:

Perspective also from @Pat_Thurman off that twitter thing 

 

Corey Coleman QBs:

 

Kizer: 8.5 games

RGIII: 5 games

McCown: 2 games

Kessler: 1 game

McCown/Kessler: 2 games

 

(2 full games w/ McCown: 13 tgt, 8 rec, 142 yds, 3 TD)

 

A couple fluke injuries and a QB clowncar in a 1-31 circus. 

 

The bolded needs to be repeated again and again! 

 

KB and Coleman on the outside with Kerley/Jones in the slot is not all that bad. 

 

Now if Beane can find a cheap swing tackle that can push to start at RT................................

[Guest K-GunJimKelly12]

13 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

I think you have to take some of these stats with a big grain of salt when you are talking about a historically bad team/offense, and a rookie QB that was starting when he really wasn't in the top half of backups in the league.

Edited August 6, 2018 by K-GunJimKelly12

[eball]

Until somebody breaks down the broad category of "targets" into catchable vs. uncatchable, the statistic of catches per targets means nothing.

[mikemac2001]

3 minutes ago, eball said:

Until somebody breaks down the broad category of "targets" into catchable vs. uncatchable, the statistic of catches per targets means nothing.

 

Ya I watch that 9 target video and 2 maybe 3 were catchable. Qb play was bad

[Guest K-GunJimKelly12]

3 minutes ago, eball said:

Until somebody breaks down the broad category of "targets" into catchable vs. uncatchable, the statistic of catches per targets means nothing.

Thank you!  Every reporter can't wait to throw out an advanced stat to knock Coleman but nobody mentions he was on an 0-16 team with a terrible, terrible QB.  

[nucci]

18 minutes ago, joesixpack said:

Anyone caterwauling about this trade is doing so just to massage their own ego. The got the guy for next to nothing, and therefore have ZERO risk.

 

you would hope it was this simple.

[Augie]

23 minutes ago, KGun12TD said:

You don't watch football much, do you?

 

Not the Browns, no. I don’t do fantasy either, so.... Fantasy is how and why my son knows a little TOO much about all things NFL. 

[NewEra]

7th rd pick.  Beane is a savant. If josh allen pans out, we’re going to be dam good in the future 

[26CornerBlitz]

1 hour ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

8-6: Daryl Ruiter of 92.3 The Fan in Cleveland with Howard and Jeremy (6:53)

 

The incident was mentioned in the WGR interview.

 

 

[berg1029]

2 minutes ago, NewEra said:

7th rd pick.  Beane is a savant. If josh allen pans out, we’re going to be dam good in the future 

 

It's really a 7th rounder?  Is that a conditional pick?  I hadn't seen what round the pick was. Woah! 

[nucci]

1 minute ago, berg1029 said:

 

It's really a 7th rounder?  Is that a conditional pick?  I hadn't seen what round the pick was. Woah! 

in 2020

[John from Riverside]

The last player we got from the Browns worked out pretty well

[Malazan]

1 hour ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Wow, Cleveland must hate this guy and think he is completely worthless.  Why would you just give up on a former first rounder 2 years in for a garbage 7th rounder?  As limited as Shaq might be, I’d be pissed if we did this.  

 

It's something we should very familiar with...part of breaking out of a losing cycle is that you change regimes a lot. The new regime gets rid of a bunch of ? players from the previous regime and starts over. 

[BillsFan17]

Just now, jeremy2020 said:

 

It's something we should very familiar with...part of breaking out of a losing cycle is that you change regimes a lot. The new regime gets rid of a bunch of ? players from the previous regime and starts over. 

Which a absolutely happens in almost every major sport with a regime change, you are correct about that.

 

However, when you are shipping out a 15th overall pick for a 2020 7th rounder... I mean, Bills fans were upset about the return for Watkins, a fourth overall, but at least we got a second and a roster player who was very helpful to the secondary (when healthy).

 

The Browns have just hemorrhaged former first rounders religiously. Moreover, its not as if they are so stacked at WR they can move on, and Coleman is under control for at least two more years, three if you pick up the option.

[jr1]

hope it works out. He played in the air raid in college so who knows

[BuffAlone]

4 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

I think the other thing this trade shows is that as excited as fans are about the young guys on the roster the front office and coaching staff simply are not seeing the necessary consistency from them to trust them as critical parts of this passing attack.  

 

I mentioned the other day that the Cover 1 guys had noticed Foster and Phillips both being dug out on the side in camp by Daboll for not recognising coverages and running the wrong routes. Ricky Proehl hardly seems to have made an impression and Ray Ray hasn't separated from the crowd either. I now figure that the Bills basically see 1 spot on the 53 going to one of the young guys (Foster, McCloud, Proehl, Phillips, Dupre, Reilly) possibly 2 if Zay can't get his act together, and then they will look to stash a couple more on the PS.  If I was taking a punt now on the 6 that make the 53 (and I still think it is possible though not likely that they keep 7) it would be:

 

Benjamin

Kerley

Coleman

Jones

Reilly

Holmes

Absolutely agree with your guys to make the cut. One of Dupre/Phillips/ Foster to PS. My money is on Dupre

[KGun12TD]

23 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

Not the Browns, no. I don’t do fantasy either, so.... Fantasy is how and why my son knows a little TOO much about all things NFL. 

UGH! It is how I know all of these players as well. Sometimes, I'm not sure how...

[BillsFan4]

1 hour ago, BillsFan17 said:

Which a absolutely happens in almost every major sport with a regime change, you are correct about that.

 

However, when you are shipping out a 15th overall pick for a 2020 7th rounder... I mean, Bills fans were upset about the return for Watkins, a fourth overall, but at least we got a second and a roster player who was very helpful to the secondary (when healthy).

 

The Browns have just hemorrhaged former first rounders religiously. Moreover, its not as if they are so stacked at WR they can move on, and Coleman is under control for at least two more years, three if you pick up the option.

 

I think it’s about changing the culture and setting an example. 

 

It sounds like maybe Coleman wasn’t doing the things he needed to do to be successful in Cleveland. 

 

Just like McBeane had to come in with an iron fist and get rid of people who weren’t getting on board, I think Dorsey feels similar. 

 

I agree about Cleveland hemorrhaging 1st rounders though. It’s absolutrly unbelievable the amount of 1st round picks they’ve had leave/bust.

 

Speaking of which.... EIGHT 1st rounders in 4 years, all gone. This is why rebuilding is meaningless if you draft like Cleveland. 

 

 

Edited August 6, 2018 by BillsFan4

[berg1029]

27 minutes ago, nucci said:

in 2020

 

All hail General Beane!

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

Bills GM says no guar­antees for newly-acquired Corey Coleman

By Spectrum News Staff  |  August 6, 2018 @10:49 AM

 

ORCHARD PARK, N.Y. — The Bills made what they believe is a low-risk, high-reward deal to bring in wide receiver Corey Coleman.

 

The team gave up a seventh-round pick in 2020 to acquire the former first rounder from the Cleveland Browns.

Two hand injuries have kept Coleman out of 13 games through two seasons.

 

They believe what he's shown on the field is still enough to take a chance on, especially given the price.

 

However, despite lacking depth at the position, Bills general manager Brandon Beane says they don't plan to hand him a job.

"You know it hadn’t worked out in Cleveland, probably the way he thought when he was drafted or the way they thought when they drafted him in the first round, so it’s a fresh start for him to come in here and compete," Beane said. "He’s not going to automatically get anything. He’s got to come in here and compete."

[Augie]

9 minutes ago, KGun12TD said:

UGH! It is how I know all of these players as well. Sometimes, I'm not sure how...

 

I’m actually a little afraid to try Fantasy Football. It can become quite the obsession! I don’t want to know as much about football as my son does. 

 

It’s funny, growing up in WNY I never really followed college football. After 30+ years living in the southeast it’s really grown on me, and if it’s NOT the Bills, I watch less NFL than I used to. 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

31 minutes ago, nucci said:

in 2020

 

Tells me they were cutting him

[BillsFan4]

I am honestly just a bit surprised that Buffalo traded for Coleman, with some of his issues I’ve heard about (specifically not working hard enough, and things of that nature). 

 

Hes is not the prototypical McBeane player by any means. 

 

But it is very nice to see. Ive seen numerous people complaining/worrying that McBeane would never take a chance on any talented but flawed type players. 

 

This is shows that they will. 

 

Last year was about establishing the culture. Now it seems that they feel they have a strong enough locker room to take chances on a player like this (not that Coleman is some huge off field risk or anything) and try to turn him around. 

Edited August 6, 2018 by BillsFan4

[Augie]

Just now, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

 

Tells me they were cutting him

 

Probably, but given our situation it seems worth it to take a flier on him. Maybe with a change of scenery and a little luck....

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

1 hour ago, Bill_with_it said:

Jarvis Landry is saying hello 

 

Right- can’t forget about him 

Just now, Augie said:

 

Probably, but given our situation it seems worth it to take a flier on him. Maybe with a change of scenery and a little luck....

 

No issue for me....7ths rarely amount to much.

 

while folks are complaining they wanted a speed guy, I can’t see how a 4.37 isn’t that   

[YoloinOhio]

2 minutes ago, BillsFan4 said:

I am honestly just a bit surprised that Buffalo traded for Coleman, with some of his issues I’ve heard about (specifically not working hard enough, and things of that nature). 

 

Hes is not the prototypical McBeane player by any means. 

 

But it is very nice to see. Ive seen numerous people complaining/worrying that McBeane would never take a chance on any talented but flawed type players. 

 

This is shows that they will. 

 

Last year was about establishing the culture. Now it seems that they feel they have a strong enough locker room to take chances on a player like this (not that Coleman is some huge off field risk or anything). 

I didn’t think they would give up much for him for the reasons you mention but given the low cost, and strong locker room, it’s a reclamation project they can take on. Pats gave been making trades like this for a decade +

Edited August 6, 2018 by YoloinOhio

[mannc]

4 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

 

Tells me they were cutting him

Yep.  Reminds me of the Hackenberg trade.

[Logic]

For reference, we just drafted Austin Proehl in the 7th round. That's the kind of "talent" you usually get at that point in the draft.

So to trade a CONDITIONAL, FUTURE 7th round pick for the type of talent and speed Coleman has is awesome.

Over the first 16 games of his career, he has over 50 receptions for over 600 yards and 5 TDs.

If he does nothing else but provide a deep threat and help keep the defense honest, he's more than worth what the Bills paid.

If he does literally nothing and gets cut, the Bills have lost only a 7th round pick at worst. And even then, the trade was a CONDITIONAL 7th round pick, so if Coleman doesn't make the team, the Bills might not lose anything.

It's a scratchoff lottery ticket for basically free. Love it.

[Cornette's Commentary]

Just now, YoloinOhio said:

I didn’t think they would give up much for him for the reasons you mention but given the low cost, and strong locker room. it’s a reclamation project they can take on. Pats gave been making trades like this for a decade +

When they do, national media praises the Pats for making a "bold, genius move."  However, when other teams, like the Bills, make this move, it gets scrutinized to death and ultimately ruled "questionable" or "puzzling."