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4 minutes ago, dollars 2 donuts said:

 

Royale, consider yourself lucky, my friend.

 

I have silver on my temples, chest, arms and back...maybe on my butt, too, however it is difficult for me to tell.  Fortunately, the top of my head appears to be a basic olive skin toned color, so that's staying young.

 

Are you hitting on me?

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Just now, nucci said:

what? 

 

Just now, nucci said:

what? 

Sorry - was being sarcastic and not directed at you.  Those are among the top euphemisms used by the "hard bitten realists" around here to denigrate fans who choose a positive take on the fortunes of the team.  I was supporting your comment.

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Just now, FLFan said:

 

Sorry - was being sarcastic and not directed at you.  Those are among the top euphemisms used by the "hard bitten realists" around here to denigrate fans who choose a positive take on the fortunes of the team.  I was supporting your comment.

ok, got it...thanks

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5 minutes ago, Commonsense said:

Seeing some talk that he pulled his hamstring on Saturday. For the risk/reward it still doesn’t matter much if true.

 

 

What bugs me about that Common, and I know I am very naive about sports injuries, but hamstring injuries are ones that I just feel should never really happen.

 

Stretch to be as limber as a rubber band and hydrate like crazy.  

 

As naive as I am I DO KNOW I am over simplifying it, but still.

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7 minutes ago, dollars 2 donuts said:

 

 

What bugs me about that Common, and I know I am very naive about sports injuries, but hamstring injuries are ones that I just feel should never really happen.

 

Stretch to be as limber as a rubber band and hydrate like crazy.  

 

As naive as I am I DO KNOW I am over simplifying it, but still.

 

You can do those things and still pull muscles. Especially with what these guys do on a daily basis. It isn't always running full speed that causes hamstring pulls, it's the torque put on it when they come off the line. Preparation is fine but it's not foolproof.

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2 hours ago, SoTier said:

 

Well, I'm sorry if I deal with reality rather than pretending that the Bills situation, past and present, is all rainbows and unicorns.

 

 

Deal with reality?  The Bills last season, the first under McBeane, was their most successful in the 21st century, resulting in a 9-7 record and the end of a seventeen year playoff drought.  That's reality.  The rest is pure speculation at this point.

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5 minutes ago, eball said:

Zero risk and minimal cost.  Potentially high reward.  End of story.  Can't believe this thread is 18 pages.

 

It's a 7th round pick not even next years draft...this is basically house money IMO.

I'll take my odds of Coleman turning his career around in Buffalo than a 2020 7th round pick even making the team.

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  1. Could Corey Coleman work in Buffalo? I think so. It's encouraging to see the FO adding speed to match Josh Allen's arm strength. Vertical stretch + big target in Kelvin Benjamin underneath

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    Biggest obstacle is what looked like concentration issues. Offsides penalties, drops, and I've heard from people there last year he was often lining up wrong or didn't know the play call. Gotta fix that first.

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19 minutes ago, teef said:

i'm with you.  i'm optimistic.  why wouldn't someone be?  what the new staff is trying to pull off may not work, but there's a definite philosophy they're sticking to.  even if this team takes a step back this year, it won't necessarily be a bad thing.  there's hopefully an evolution going on here, and i hope certain members are willing to be patient and enjoy the ride.

The defense is much better on paper.  Better NT in Star, better LB in Edmunds, better pass rusher in Murphy, better backup in Phillips, about the only unit that didn't improve was the secondary and that might be better in the same defense with roughly the same guys.   

 

Offense is not better.   Oline is terribly unproven, but there are enough guys IMO to at least field a decent unit.   

 

Shady is still Shady, and hopefully we have a QB who will take some chances and an OC who can scheme mismatches.   

 

I think back to the Eagles 2016 season.   Wentz took that team to 7-9 and a 79 QB rating but you could tell they finally had their franchise QB.  Defense was good but it was definitely a work in progress.  I feel like we are very much in the same position they were back then.  

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1 minute ago, Soda Popinski said:

The defense is much better on paper.  Better NT in Star, better LB in Edmunds, better pass rusher in Murphy, better backup in Phillips, about the only unit that didn't improve was the secondary and that might be better in the same defense with roughly the same guys.   

 

Offense is not better.   Oline is terribly unproven, but there are enough guys IMO to at least field a decent unit.   

 

Shady is still Shady, and hopefully we have a QB who will take some chances and an OC who can scheme mismatches.   

 

I think back to the Eagles 2016 season.   Wentz took that team to 7-9 and a 79 QB rating but you could tell they finally had their franchise QB.  Defense was good but it was definitely a work in progress.  I feel like we are very much in the same position they were back then.  

i'm most worried about the ol, and i'm very meh about the wrs.  if this team shows average qb play, i think they can be as solid as last year.  the comparison to the 2016 eagles is a great one.  

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1 minute ago, teef said:

i'm most worried about the ol, and i'm very meh about the wrs.  if this team shows average qb play, i think they can be as solid as last year.  the comparison to the 2016 eagles is a great one.  

A good QB can make it work with Meh wrs.  Just hope we have a good QB and from what i keep hearing from camp, it might not matter what the WRs/QB do if the oline can't give them 3 seconds to get open we're in trouble.   

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1 minute ago, teef said:

i'm most worried about the ol, and i'm very meh about the wrs.  if this team shows average qb play, i think they can be as solid as last year.  the comparison to the 2016 eagles is a great one.  

 

Agreed.

The issue with last year was we had some close games that could have gone either way.

9-7 was pretty much last year's optimal.

A team that performs identical to last year could easily go 6-9.

I'm not concerned with record this year, I'm just looking for improvement from young guys and seeing how Allen looks:)

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7 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

It's a 7th round pick not even next years draft...this is basically house money IMO.

I'll take my odds of Coleman turning his career around in Buffalo than a 2020 7th round pick even making the team.

Spot on post.

 

This was/is a great signing for the cost.

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1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said:

If they liked Foster they wouldn’t have made the move. He’s had a disappointing camp.

 

The Bills made this move because they are desperate for speed (especially if Allen is going to play at some point). 

 

There good thread going on Twitter from Jake Burns. He’s basically like “Cover 1” but analyzing the Browns. I suggest everyone take a look at his opinions on it. He’s way, way, way more informed than any of us on Coleman as a pro.

 

 

 

I thought catch percentage meant catchable balls. If that just means targets his catch percentage is meaningless. Anyone questioning why the Browns gave up a high 3rd for Tyrod Taylor should watch that video.

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7 minutes ago, blacklabel said:

 

You can do those things and still pull muscles. Especially with what these guys do on a daily basis. It isn't always running full speed that causes hamstring pulls, it's the torque put on it when they come off the line. Preparation is fine but it's not foolproof.

I agree. For the average Joe’s out there going for a jog or tossing around the DUKE being hydrated and doing some stretching is usually enough. We have seen guys like Larry Fitz pull his hammy, elite athletes doing crazy things with their bodies isn’t foolproof.

 

Guys that have motivation problems do seem to suffer these types of problems at a higher rate though.

 

Coleman may have been that guy, a change of scenery could serve him well. 

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2 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

I thought catch percentage meant catchable balls. If that just means targets his catch percentage is meaningless. Anyone questioning why the Browns gave up a high 3rd for Tyrod Taylor should watch that video.

Nahh, Kizer flat out sucked in that small sample size.

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4 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said:

 

Agreed.

The issue with last year was we had some close games that could have gone either way.

9-7 was pretty much last year's optimal.

A team that performs identical to last year could easily go 6-9.

I'm not concerned with record this year, I'm just looking for improvement from young guys and seeing how Allen looks:)

same with me.  i just want to see allen improve a little bit every day.

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17 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said:

 

Agreed.

The issue with last year was we had some close games that could have gone either way.

9-7 was pretty much last year's optimal.

A team that performs identical to last year could easily go 6-9.

I'm not concerned with record this year, I'm just looking for improvement from young guys and seeing how Allen looks:)

I am...I want the playoffs again....all close games could go either way...that's why you need good luck once in awhile...Bills finally got some last year

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1 minute ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Wow, Cleveland must hate this guy and think he is completely worthless.  Why would you just give up on a former first rounder 2 years in for a garbage 7th rounder?  As limited as Shaq might be, I’d be pissed if we did this.  

 

To answer your question: It's Cleveland doing Cleveland things.  Really, it's almost comical and I feel bad for TT.  TT has one of what I would consider his top 2 WR's leave and go to his old team, where they had 1 legit WR.   

 

 

 

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Just now, RyanC883 said:

To answer your question: It's Cleveland doing Cleveland things.  Really, it's almost comical and I feel bad for TT.  TT has one of what I would consider his top 2 WR's leave and go to his old team, where they had 1 legit WR.   

 

I don't see how you can say this with Gordon eventually coming back and the rumored acquisition of Dez Bryant. 

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Just now, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

I don't see how you can say this with Gordon eventually coming back and the rumored acquisition of Dez Bryant. 

 

I'm talking about as of now.  Right now, Gordon is MIA, and Dez is a rumor.   Right now, the Browns traded away TT's number 2 for a 7th round pick---in 2020.  

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4 minutes ago, RyanC883 said:

 

I'm talking about as of now.  Right now, Gordon is MIA, and Dez is a rumor.   Right now, the Browns traded away TT's number 2 for a 7th round pick---in 2020.  

 

Right now is August 6th as in it doesn't mean much. 

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10 hours ago, Ol Dirty B said:

 

Dude. They get nothing out of cutting him. When you're wrong will you own it and post as much about how you were wrong?

 

I'm not a Zay fan at this point, but he's gonna be here. If they were gonna cut him they would have done it when he was running around naked.

He did it for Jesus!

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