H2o Posted December 6, 2023 Share Posted December 6, 2023 (edited) I found this interesting. And of course the rest of the ESPN 🤡's yuck it up a bit later in the segment, but this has been my stance on Josh for forever. All of the idiots with an ax to grind continually spew the same crap, on their same crap shows, pandering to their same crap audience. Josh is a top 2-5 QB in this league, 5 being the absolute basement. They constantly act like he is the one costing this team W's. They don't talk about the 3 games he's led his team to a lead in the final 2 minutes, only to have McDermott's defense piss it away. No, it's his 1 INT two quarters before that which caused them to lose. Idiots. This team would have, AT THE MOST, 3 wins this year without him. At the most. Allen is not blameless. He's not perfect. But let's not act like he's not out here setting records in history of the NFL for things like total TD's, completing 68% of his passes this year, and leading the league in total TD's. Edited December 6, 2023 by H2o 11 1 12 19 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddyjj Posted December 6, 2023 Share Posted December 6, 2023 Like it Greeny! His producers are likely NYC / Tri State residents who can’t stand that the upstate yokels have a better QB than Jets / Giants. And Fink and company are surely “ last kid picked in gym class “ personalities! 3 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted December 6, 2023 Share Posted December 6, 2023 I saw it this am, don't disagree with it but kinda went on and on and on, like most of the worthless sports shows do. Like the never ending debate about the college playoff selection process. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Not Applicable Posted December 6, 2023 Share Posted December 6, 2023 (edited) 10 minutes ago, freddyjj said: Like it Greeny! His producers are likely NYC / Tri State residents who can’t stand that the upstate yokels have a better QB than Jets / Giants. And Fink and company are surely “ last kid picked in gym class “ personalities! This has nothing to do with NYC producers disliking Allen because he plays in Buffalo. Allen has always been treated poorly by the media because he had the audacity to be drafted ahead of Lamar Jackson, which idiots view as an act of overt racism. Kirk Cousins gets the same treatment because he unseated RG3. Let's be honest with what is happening here. Edited December 6, 2023 by Patrick Fitzryan 4 5 3 3 4 3 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerome007 Posted December 6, 2023 Share Posted December 6, 2023 (edited) 10 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: It sure shows stats are not enough to tell the story. Both are killer QBs, I'd even say the two best. Yet while those are good stats, a few QBs have better ones. Edited December 6, 2023 by Jerome007 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomur67 Posted December 6, 2023 Share Posted December 6, 2023 He is SO RIGHT! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EasternOHBillsFan Posted December 6, 2023 Share Posted December 6, 2023 4 minutes ago, Patrick Fitzryan said: This has nothing to do with NYC producers disliking Allen because he plays in Buffalo. Allen has always been treated poorly by the media because he had the audacity to be drafted ahead of Lamar Jackson, which idiots view as an act of overt racism. Kirk Cousins gets the same treatment because he unseated RG3. Let's be honest with what is happening here. That's ridiculous... got a legitimate source for that one? 1 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted December 6, 2023 Share Posted December 6, 2023 1 minute ago, Jerome007 said: It sure shows stats are not enough to tell the story. Both are killer QBs, I'd even say the two best. Yet while those are good stats, a few QBs have better ones. I dont think the point of that graphic is to say they are the best two QBS, as much as it shows Josh's numbers align very closely to (if not better than) Mahomes, yet Josh is constantly criticized and Mahomes is constantly worshipped. 7 7 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted December 6, 2023 Share Posted December 6, 2023 When you boil it down Josh’s rushing touchdowns are essentially the difference in points scored by the Bills and Chiefs this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted December 6, 2023 Share Posted December 6, 2023 Josh has more TDs than 25 teams. That is an absurd stat 8 3 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerBillsFan Posted December 6, 2023 Share Posted December 6, 2023 33 minutes ago, H2o said: I found this interesting. And of course the rest of the ESPN 🤡's yuck it up a bit later in the segment, but this has been my stance on Josh for forever. All of the idiots with an ax to grind continually spew the same crap, on their same crap shows, pandering to their same crap audience. Josh is a top 2-5 QB in this league, 5 being the absolute basement. They constantly act like he is the one costing this team W's. They don't talk about the 3 games he's led his team to a lead in the final 2 minutes, only to have McDermott's defense piss it away. No, it's his 1 INT two quarters before that which caused them to lose. Idiots. This team would have, AT THE MOST, 3 wins this year without him. At the most. Allen is not blameless. He's not perfect. But let's not act like he's not out here setting records in history of the NFL for things like total TD's, completing 68% of his passes this year, and leading the league in total TD's. Hell yes!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted December 6, 2023 Share Posted December 6, 2023 30 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: But Allen doesn’t get credit cuz his team has failed him and not made a SB. It’s crazy, never seen a player get so much hate for not having the same SB resume as the guy widely considered to be the best ever 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted December 6, 2023 Share Posted December 6, 2023 @Airseven what’s your take on this subject. 🙄, but no comment. 9 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2003Contenders Posted December 6, 2023 Share Posted December 6, 2023 24 minutes ago, Patrick Fitzryan said: This has nothing to do with NYC producers disliking Allen because he plays in Buffalo. Allen has always been treated poorly by the media because he had the audacity to be drafted ahead of Lamar Jackson, which idiots view as an act of overt racism. Kirk Cousins gets the same treatment because he unseated RG3. Let's be honest with what is happening here. Yea, I don't know about your race angle. What I believe is that back when Josh was drafted back in 2018 many in the media predicted that he would be a bust. Now 5-6 years in, many of these pundits are still trying to die on that hill and grasping for any straw that indicates there is any teeth to their argument. Heck, we still have plenty posters here who applaud every negative play Josh makes because they still insist that the Bills drafted the wrong Josh. 5 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnNord Posted December 6, 2023 Share Posted December 6, 2023 42 minutes ago, H2o said: I found this interesting. And of course the rest of the ESPN 🤡's yuck it up a bit later in the segment, but this has been my stance on Josh for forever. All of the idiots with an ax to grind continually spew the same crap, on their same crap shows, pandering to their same crap audience. Josh is a top 2-5 QB in this league, 5 being the absolute basement. They constantly act like he is the one costing this team W's. They don't talk about the 3 games he's led his team to a lead in the final 2 minutes, only to have McDermott's defense piss it away. No, it's his 1 INT two quarters before that which caused them to lose. Idiots. This team would have, AT THE MOST, 3 wins this year without him. At the most. Allen is not blameless. He's not perfect. But let's not act like he's not out here setting records in history of the NFL for things like total TD's, completing 68% of his passes this year, and leading the league in total TD's. Shouldn’t this put on page 15934027 of the “talking head says something about Buffalo Bills” thread? This way a lot of people will be able to see it? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punch Posted December 6, 2023 Share Posted December 6, 2023 51 minutes ago, H2o said: I found this interesting. And of course the rest of the ESPN 🤡's yuck it up a bit later in the segment, but this has been my stance on Josh for forever. All of the idiots with an ax to grind continually spew the same crap, on their same crap shows, pandering to their same crap audience. Josh is a top 2-5 QB in this league, 5 being the absolute basement. They constantly act like he is the one costing this team W's. They don't talk about the 3 games he's led his team to a lead in the final 2 minutes, only to have McDermott's defense piss it away. No, it's his 1 INT two quarters before that which caused them to lose. Idiots. This team would have, AT THE MOST, 3 wins this year without him. At the most. Allen is not blameless. He's not perfect. But let's not act like he's not out here setting records in history of the NFL for things like total TD's, completing 68% of his passes this year, and leading the league in total TD's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted December 6, 2023 Share Posted December 6, 2023 46 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: I'm surprised Mahomes is that close to him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
julian Posted December 6, 2023 Share Posted December 6, 2023 34 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: I dont think the point of that graphic is to say they are the best two QBS, as much as it shows Josh's numbers align very closely to (if not better than) Mahomes, yet Josh is constantly criticized and Mahomes is constantly worshipped. 11 more TDs is massive difference… ELEVEN 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albany,n.y. Posted December 6, 2023 Share Posted December 6, 2023 36 minutes ago, Patrick Fitzryan said: This has nothing to do with NYC producers disliking Allen because he plays in Buffalo. Allen has always been treated poorly by the media because he had the audacity to be drafted ahead of Lamar Jackson, which idiots view as an act of overt racism. Kirk Cousins gets the same treatment because he unseated RG3. Let's be honest with what is happening here. Go back & read the draft analysis by the Rosen supporters the day after the 1st round of the 2018 draft. It started with the media members who were astonished that the Bills had the audacity to draft Allen over Rosen. It was as if Beane questioned their manhood by choosing Allen over their boy, Rosen. It had nothing to do with Lamar Jackson or your ridiculous assumption that Kirk Cousins gets treated badly because he beat out RGIII in Washington. 2 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punch Posted December 6, 2023 Share Posted December 6, 2023 43 minutes ago, Patrick Fitzryan said: This has nothing to do with NYC producers disliking Allen because he plays in Buffalo. Allen has always been treated poorly by the media because he had the audacity to be drafted ahead of Lamar Jackson, which idiots view as an act of overt racism. Kirk Cousins gets the same treatment because he unseated RG3. Let's be honest with what is happening here. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan2313 Posted December 6, 2023 Share Posted December 6, 2023 44 minutes ago, Patrick Fitzryan said: This has nothing to do with NYC producers disliking Allen because he plays in Buffalo. Allen has always been treated poorly by the media because he had the audacity to be drafted ahead of Lamar Jackson, which idiots view as an act of overt racism. Kirk Cousins gets the same treatment because he unseated RG3. Let's be honest with what is happening here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted December 6, 2023 Share Posted December 6, 2023 19 minutes ago, NewEra said: @Airseven what’s your take on this subject. 🙄, but no comment. He’s just here to irritate. He brings nothing else. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeviF Posted December 6, 2023 Share Posted December 6, 2023 48 minutes ago, Patrick Fitzryan said: This has nothing to do with NYC producers disliking Allen because he plays in Buffalo. Allen has always been treated poorly by the media because he had the audacity to be drafted ahead of Lamar Jackson, which idiots view as an act of overt racism. Kirk Cousins gets the same treatment because he unseated RG3. Let's be honest with what is happening here. It's basically just Foxworth and then a bunch of nobodies with blogs on the internet who say these kinds of things. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobbRiddick Posted December 6, 2023 Share Posted December 6, 2023 25 minutes ago, NewEra said: @Airseven what’s your take on this subject. 🙄, but no comment. He seriously needs to find some happiness in life. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strive_for_five_guy Posted December 6, 2023 Share Posted December 6, 2023 26 minutes ago, NewEra said: @Airseven what’s your take on this subject. 🙄, but no comment. @Airseven ‘s take is that the Dolphins are now one of the best teams in the AFC, even though they haven’t won ****. Meanwhile, when the Bills were winning divisional titles year after year, finding reasons to knock them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balln Posted December 6, 2023 Share Posted December 6, 2023 https://sports.yahoo.com/offensive-tweets-josh-allen-surface-hours-nfl-draft-024847843.html it’s bc of this. It’s always been bc of this. specifically the black espn media. Fair or unfair. I forgot the lebron hate too. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
US Egg Posted December 6, 2023 Share Posted December 6, 2023 Allen hate? Seriously? Oh well, whatever..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msw2112 Posted December 6, 2023 Share Posted December 6, 2023 1 hour ago, Patrick Fitzryan said: This has nothing to do with NYC producers disliking Allen because he plays in Buffalo. Allen has always been treated poorly by the media because he had the audacity to be drafted ahead of Lamar Jackson, which idiots view as an act of overt racism. Kirk Cousins gets the same treatment because he unseated RG3. Let's be honest with what is happening here. I'm very sensitive to racism and have read Bills articles for many years (including this board), but this is the first I've heard this take. I don't agree with it. I believe that many pundits thought Allen would be a bust and publicly stated so. Years later, they don't want to admit that they were wrong and as such, take the opportunity to criticize his play to justify their narrative from back when. Further, there's some shred of truth to the Allen criticism here - Allen has turned the ball over a lot this season and the Bills have lost a lot of games. I think that Allen cost them the first Jets game, which had a huge national audience. Most of the other losses were not on Allen. As stated many times above, he scored critical points late in games to give the Bills the lead and the defense could not close them out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnNord Posted December 6, 2023 Share Posted December 6, 2023 46 minutes ago, H2o said: I found this interesting. And of course the rest of the ESPN 🤡's yuck it up a bit later in the segment, but this has been my stance on Josh for forever. All of the idiots with an ax to grind continually spew the same crap, on their same crap shows, pandering to their same crap audience. Josh is a top 2-5 QB in this league, 5 being the absolute basement. They constantly act like he is the one costing this team W's. They don't talk about the 3 games he's led his team to a lead in the final 2 minutes, only to have McDermott's defense piss it away. No, it's his 1 INT two quarters before that which caused them to lose. Idiots. This team would have, AT THE MOST, 3 wins this year without him. At the most. Allen is not blameless. He's not perfect. But let's not act like he's not out here setting records in history of the NFL for things like total TD's, completing 68% of his passes this year, and leading the league in total TD's. I always thought the tweets were a reason for the criticism. I think that’s why Nick Wright and a few others have been critical. the funny thing is that no black players in the lockerroom have ever had that experience with Josh in his 6 years in Buffalo. Even as a rookie, he won over the team fast and everyone loves him. A good example that people (especially 16 year-olds) make mistakes on social media and something that happened a decade ago shouldn’t define them. People can change Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted December 6, 2023 Share Posted December 6, 2023 15 minutes ago, balln said: https://sports.yahoo.com/offensive-tweets-josh-allen-surface-hours-nfl-draft-024847843.html it’s bc of this. It’s always been bc of this. specifically the black espn media. Fair or unfair. I forgot the lebron hate too. Is this a joke? Stop it already. I dont think ANYONE ever thinks of this. If you really believe I feel sorry for you. I will agree on the the espn media is worthless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregg Posted December 6, 2023 Share Posted December 6, 2023 1 hour ago, Patrick Fitzryan said: This has nothing to do with NYC producers disliking Allen because he plays in Buffalo. Allen has always been treated poorly by the media because he had the audacity to be drafted ahead of Lamar Jackson, which idiots view as an act of overt racism. Kirk Cousins gets the same treatment because he unseated RG3. Let's be honest with what is happening here. Then why haven't Mayfield and Darnold gotten this type of hate. Both were also drafted ahead of Jackson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted December 6, 2023 Author Share Posted December 6, 2023 I've said it before and I will say it again. There is no QB who has done more with less than Josh Allen. No one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balln Posted December 6, 2023 Share Posted December 6, 2023 (edited) 20 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said: Is this a joke? Stop it already. I dont think ANYONE ever thinks of this. If you really believe I feel sorry for you. I will agree on the the espn media is worthless. I don’t agree. I’m saying espn media does. There’s some fox worthy podcast espn off shoot maybe 2 years ago that brought up his draft tweet stuff. Here’s one link. Not exactly what I’m saying but I’ll find it https://www.outkick.com/espns-domonique-foxworth-has-a-problem-with-josh-allen-supporters-who-like-dogs-american-flags/ Edited December 6, 2023 by balln Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Stadium Original Posted December 6, 2023 Share Posted December 6, 2023 I saw part of a clip of Greeny this morning. I didn't watch all of this posted clip so not sure if it was the same show..but I think it was Jeff Saturday that said the reason the Bills were so bad was that they had no running game beyond Josh Allen. Come again?..do any of these guys do ANY research before they spew stuff? Yes, #10 in rushing in the NFL this year is James Cook..that places him ahead of Barkley, Najee Haris, and Joe Mixon to name a few..how can you believe ANYTHING these guys say? They seem to latch on to something that isn't true and just keep perpetuating the lies through reputition and ignorance. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted December 6, 2023 Share Posted December 6, 2023 51 minutes ago, strive_for_five_guy said: @Airseven ‘s take is that the Dolphins are now one of the best teams in the AFC, even though they haven’t won ****. Meanwhile, when the Bills were winning divisional titles year after year, finding reasons to knock them. He has amongst the worst takes on this board and I am honestly convinced he actually isn't a Bills fan and just masquerading as one here to troll. It either that or he just actually knows nothing about Football. Either could be true, or even both. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted December 6, 2023 Share Posted December 6, 2023 9 minutes ago, Rich Stadium Original said: I saw part of a clip of Greeny this morning. I didn't watch all of this posted clip so not sure if it was the same show..but I think it was Jeff Saturday that said the reason the Bills were so bad was that they had no running game beyond Josh Allen. Come again?..do any of these guys do ANY research before they spew stuff? Yes, #10 in rushing in the NFL this year is James Cook..that places him ahead of Barkley, Najee Haris, and Joe Mixon to name a few..how can you believe ANYTHING these guys say? They seem to latch on to something that isn't true and just keep perpetuating the lies through reputition and ignorance. I just watched it … Saturday was the one saying the running game had improved this year and GREENY himself was the one tripling down that “Allen has to do everything …” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st pete gogolak Posted December 6, 2023 Share Posted December 6, 2023 1 hour ago, Patrick Fitzryan said: This has nothing to do with NYC producers disliking Allen because he plays in Buffalo. Allen has always been treated poorly by the media because he had the audacity to be drafted ahead of Lamar Jackson, which idiots view as an act of overt racism. Kirk Cousins gets the same treatment because he unseated RG3. Let's be honest with what is happening here. This is 100% wrong. No one - NO ONE - thought Jackson should go ahead of Allen. The bias stems from all of the experts who predicted Allen would bust because he wasn't accurate in college. Many - not all - won't get off that train. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted December 6, 2023 Share Posted December 6, 2023 The Bills would be drafting first overall if they didn’t have Allen. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted December 6, 2023 Share Posted December 6, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, H2o said: I found this interesting. And of course the rest of the ESPN 🤡's yuck it up a bit later in the segment, but this has been my stance on Josh for forever. All of the idiots with an ax to grind continually spew the same crap, on their same crap shows, pandering to their same crap audience. Josh is a top 2-5 QB in this league, 5 being the absolute basement. They constantly act like he is the one costing this team W's. They don't talk about the 3 games he's led his team to a lead in the final 2 minutes, only to have McDermott's defense piss it away. No, it's his 1 INT two quarters before that which caused them to lose. Idiots. This team would have, AT THE MOST, 3 wins this year without him. At the most. Allen is not blameless. He's not perfect. But let's not act like he's not out here setting records in history of the NFL for things like total TD's, completing 68% of his passes this year, and leading the league in total TD's. I mean he's not wrong we literally watched Mahomes this last week have a critical 4th quarter interception that killed his team and then proceed to not get his team the lead back, and we ain't hearing *****. Edited December 6, 2023 by Warcodered 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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