Royale with Cheese Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Mojo44 said: I think the OP is having a case of the Mondays…. on a Tuesday no less! If he keeps having posts like this, he's naga nagaher naaa....not gonna work out her anyway. Edited October 17, 2023 by Royale with Cheese Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 Yikes. Is this over the Daboll hug? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunsgoodtime Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 3 minutes ago, May Day 10 said: Ill bite. I think in these cases (Rodgers, Wilson), there are plenty of public knowledge/rumors of the QB being unhappy and frustrated before a move goes down. If/when Allen is ever unhappy, and feels he needs to go above the coach, I think he would/could go to ownership to request change, in which case it would be on Pegula to indulge the star QB or get the backs of the coaching staff/management. It wouldn't be a thing Allen decides overnight and suddenly starts to demand a trade. IMO Buffalo ownership would probably work with him. If I was the Pegulas in this situation, the whole coaching staff would be fired before Josh Allen even leaves the room 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 2 minutes ago, May Day 10 said: Ill bite. I think in these cases (Rodgers, Wilson), there are plenty of public knowledge/rumors of the QB being unhappy and frustrated before a move goes down. If/when Allen is ever unhappy, and feels he needs to go above the coach, I think he would/could go to ownership to request change, in which case it would be on Pegula to indulge the star QB or get the backs of the coaching staff/management. It wouldn't be a thing Allen decides overnight and suddenly starts to demand a trade. IMO Buffalo ownership would probably work with him. Yeah I think a better question, which has really been coming into focus for me personally lately, is whether Allen/McDermott is the right QB/coach combination (for either of them). I don't know the answer but you rarely hear them (or the media) talk about how McD is the perfect coach for Josh. And sometimes it sure feels like McD was calmer with Tyrod back there doing his dink-and-dunk ball-control B.S. I'm not saying I have a view about this one way or the other, I don't - but it's a really interesting question. Would Allen be better off with a different kind of head coach? Would McDermott somehow be freed up to coach the team his way with a different kind of QB, maybe a "system" QB? I don't know, but I'm sure starting to wonder. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
julian Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 13 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: Yeah I think a better question, which has really been coming into focus for me personally lately, is whether Allen/McDermott is the right QB/coach combination (for either of them). I don't know the answer but you rarely hear them (or the media) talk about how McD is the perfect coach for Josh. And sometimes it sure feels like McD was calmer with Tyrod back there doing his dink-and-dunk ball-control B.S. I'm not saying I have a view about this one way or the other, I don't - but it's a really interesting question. Would Allen be better off with a different kind of head coach? Would McDermott somehow be freed up to coach the team his way with a different kind of QB, maybe a "system" QB? I don't know, but I'm sure starting to wonder. McDermott would be better off with a different kind of QB ? McDermott is being held back from coaching his way because of Josh Allen ? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SageAgainstTheMachine Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 I hate the offseason 2 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 11 minutes ago, julian said: McDermott would be better off with a different kind of QB ? McDermott is being held back from coaching his way because of Josh Allen ? If McD is better off with a different kind of QB, it would just confirm to me that he's an idiot - but I'm asking the question regardless. I am not stating it as a fact. And the more interesting question, related to the OP, is whether McD is the right coach to get Allen a ring. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rigotz Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 If you guys all loved this post, I'd like to draw your attention to the OP's post from Sunday in the gameday thread: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordong Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 sometimes I just hate coming here... just stop. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Firebaugh Kid Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 1 hour ago, Heitz said: Holy sh*t, talk about a Jump to Conclusions mat... 🤔 You see, it would be this mat, that would have different conclusions on it, that you could JUMP to 🤣 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 50 minutes ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said: Allen wanted continuity - he didn't want some new dude to come in and change everything. They brought in Mike Shula who McDermott has worked with in the past and has called plays before, as well as joe brady at QB coach. There's a lot of experience within the org offensively, so they could potentially go a lot of different directions. As much as people hate on dorsey, there have been a lot of execution struggles. I think he falls into habits of repeating concepts, or trying to attack the defense the same way rather than figuring out ways to create wide open looks for players. I think theres... room for improvement in the run game. He also has some issues with spacing. At the same time though - you have Allen zeroing in on diggs, or holding the ball when the people are open. Drops have been much more common in the last 2 weeks - which happens to every offense. Run game has been absent in the first half of the last 2 games. Protection has been worse the last two weeks, be it simulated pressure or blitzes they seem to be getting through. I hate this thread, and that I am adding to it. Ugh. But this point is a good discussion. I actually think it is the opposite. For years there has been talk of the EP in Buffalo and that week to week it can totally morph into very different offensive philosophies. If anything I think that our ups and downs on a weekly basis the last few years is execution of every changing concepts. I would much prefer the Bills lean into themselves, their players, and their skill sets, and build on that. In regards to the leaning into Diggs. There is so much over simplification of NFL offenses on this board where everything is boiled down to "well Diggs is the first read" or something similar. And while yes, most passing plays will be designed to get your best player open/the ball, everything changes as soon as the QB gets to the line of scrimmage. The read changes based on pre snap coverages, and post snap movement. NFL offenses and defenses are wildly complicated. For all the videos and breakdowns most of us watch on this board this one surprises me. How many live plays or film reviews have we seen where Romo, the Mannings, or Warner go "The play is designed to go to player x. But based on the coverage the DB/LB/Coverage the QB should know that they are going to take that away, and should be looking to go to player y with the ball" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 (edited) This is all just silly speculation when all we have to do is pick up the phone, call Terry and just ask him if this is possibly on the table. That and since we have him on the phone if there is any swag laying around he wouldn't mind parting with. Edited October 17, 2023 by dollars 2 donuts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionC3 Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 10 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: If McD is better off with a different kind of QB, it would just confirm to me that he's an idiot - but I'm asking the question regardless. I am not stating it as a fact. And the more interesting question, related to the OP, is whether McD is the right coach to get Allen a ring. I think their personalities (McD is unapproachable, extremely disciplined, and a little cold, whereas Allen is a delightful but kind of reckless overgrown child) compliment each other well. They probably need each other more than they realize. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPL Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 1 hour ago, CincyBillsFan said: Interesting thread. I just finished reading this take by Cowherd and came to 2BD: https://www.sportskeeda.com/nfl/news-colin-cowherd-pins-blame-sean-mcdermott-wasting-josh-allen-s-prime-buffalo "The Bills haven't had their best start to the season and have struggled even in games they are able to pull off the victory." Ah yes, nothing says struggles like winning 3 of 4 games by 20+ points. Two weeks ago, all anyone could talk about was how the Bills have the greatest DVOA ever for a 3-1 team. I get that the past 2 weeks have looked rough, but holy smokes, this is the NFL, not some SEC team playing out of conference games. Another thing, the Bills have started 4-2 in 3 of the past 4 seasons. Plenty of offensive duds in those years, too, even with Daboll running the O. And one more thing: In 2021, Cowherd had Beane/McDermott in his top 3 GM/Coach combos. But for the past year and a half he's been on a tyrade about offensive-minded coaches so now he's out on McD because it doesn't fit his new narrative. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 You've got to hate it when you fall out of bed hit your head and then hours later realize you made some really stupid thread on TBD. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dma0034 Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 Let's pretend this happen in the off season. Bills get 3 1st round picks for Allen from the Giants. Bills will start exploring trades for Diggs and Knox (if possible). Bills will then draft a QB and invest in Offensive players for the majority of the next three drafts hoping they hit on a QB. Depending on how much success the Bills have during those years will determine if McDermott stays or goes. I do believe they replace him with an Offensive Minded HC after year 1 imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlgarsh Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 Josh to Daboll after the game: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
90sBills Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 Are we back to the offseason already? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoTom Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 59 minutes ago, RiotAct said: did you SEE the way he hugged Daboll after the game on Sunday? They owe each other something. Daboll designed an offense that played to Allen's strengths while giving him time to work on his weaknesses. Allen probably knows that if he'd gone to the Browns or Jets, he wouldn't be the superstar that he is today. Allen's success, in return, gave Daboll a reputation as a QB whisperer, which scored him the HC gig. If I were either of them, I'd give the other an enthusiastic post-game hug. And while I'm sure Dabs would love to have Josh as his QB (I mean, who wouldn't?), that doesn't necessarily mean that Josh wants to jump ship. If he ever showed a desire to leave, I'd take him over to Oishei and point out the Patricia Allen Memorial Wing, compliments of Bills fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 Threads like these are why I'm beginning to get sick of this board. 1 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 1 hour ago, Your Brown Eye said: Allen and a 3rd for Mahomes? KC wouldn’t trade Mahomes for Allen + two firsts. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 Anyone else notice 'Baumer' is pronounced exactly like 'bomber' is pronounced? 🤨 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heitz Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 Real talk though, if Josh tried to leave he literally would have to force his way out - there would be a human / snowplow ring made around the entirety of the City of Buffalo and NO Allen's would be allowed to leave, especially Josh... Also, +1 to everyone for the memes / gifs 🤣 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SageAgainstTheMachine Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 (edited) 9 minutes ago, eball said: Threads like these are why I'm beginning to get sick of this board. No kidding. The doom narratives during the drought were less ridiculous than the things people come up with now. Edited October 17, 2023 by SageAgainstTheMachine 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 2 minutes ago, SageAgainstTheMachine said: No kidding. The doom narratives during the drought were less ridiculous than the things people come up with now. Theory: Some portion of this board and the fanbase in general have come to behave exactly like patriots fans of the previous two decades 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FITZamishRIFLE Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 1 hour ago, CincyBillsFan said: Interesting thread. I just finished reading this take by Cowherd and came to 2BD: https://www.sportskeeda.com/nfl/news-colin-cowherd-pins-blame-sean-mcdermott-wasting-josh-allen-s-prime-buffalo Cowherd is cowsh*t. Media Personality only. Does this for clicks and viewership. Seems to be working. His take on our o-line is invalid. Also, is JA17 all of a sudden 33 years old. Also, his take on Offensive HC's over Defensive HC's is another blunder. He is comparing every coach to Andy Reid when leading with that metric. That immediately puts all other coaches behind the 8ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Holmes Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 2 hours ago, KDIGGZ said: Josh is going to pull a Lebron and leave after his contract is up. He's taking his talents to ____________. His gf/future wife is about to star in a Marvel movie. Do you think she wants to eat chicken wings at Bar Bill every Saturday night? Josh on the 49ers or Rams would be something to watch for 49ers have Purdy 1 hour ago, zow2 said: It's not anytime soon, but I've always thought Allen would find a way to end his career near home and with his boyhood team, San Francisco. Purdy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 11 minutes ago, Sherlock Holmes said: 49ers have Purdy Purdy Purdy sucks what's your point? You think they are giving him one of these 55-60 mil per year contracts that franchise QB's get when they could just offer that to Josh instead when he's a free agent? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 P 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBaumer Posted October 17, 2023 Author Share Posted October 17, 2023 Soooo, looking at the responses, we dooon't think this would ever be an issue? Wow people, a little sensitive I would say 😄The whole point of this was basically to say that this coaching staff has already stripped away 1 Super Bowl and if it continues to hinder the potential of this team, issues could surface. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 1 hour ago, Coach Tuesday said: If McD is better off with a different kind of QB, it would just confirm to me that he's an idiot - but I'm asking the question regardless. I am not stating it as a fact. And the more interesting question, related to the OP, is whether McD is the right coach to get Allen a ring. I don't see McD ever changing his coaching philosophy even after going from DC to HC and in his current role, after having a franchise QB. I think he's always wanted a balanced run-pass offense that focused on ball control and a strong defense. He seems uncomfortable with a franchise QB and the importance of passing the ball. Reminds me of the times people ask why HC's, particularly in the NFL, refuse to adapt their personnel to scheme upon taking over. Because deep down McD is about avoiding risk and the defensive side offers that much more than offensive focused football, particularly the passing game. And that's why I don't see McD as the coach who gets them to the promised land. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DabillsDaBillsDaBills Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 Josh really doesn't seem like the type of guy to try and force his way out. If the Bills crash and burn and miss the playoffs, or if there's a repeat of 13 seconds, I think Pegula would fire McBeane well before Josh would consider forcing a trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaaadThingsMan Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 ***** this thread 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheektowaga Chad Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 Now that I can check the Allen Will force his way out of buffalo because of daboll off my bingo card, I'll patiently wait until an early retirement thread is started 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBaumer Posted October 17, 2023 Author Share Posted October 17, 2023 2 hours ago, Rigotz said: I'll be interested to see if your post gets one thumbs up amongst all the eye rolls There seems to be 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draconator Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 This This is why I drink 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihilarian Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 First of all...Josh Allen LOVES Buffalo! When he talks about this he states, "This is where I'm meant to be"! Does anyone else recall the outpouring of love that this fanbase gave his family after his Grandmother passed away...more than 3 million to the Patricia Allen fund? They are not getting rid of McD for Brian Daboll...the Buffalo Bills are 4-2 with a plus 34-point differential. The NY Giants are a 1-5 with a negative 96-point differential. This team still has a solid shot at not only the playoffs but also the SB. What is it with some people to make posts like this? Just stop! Or go root for your real favorite team and leave the Buffalo Bills alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Holmes Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 57 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said: Purdy sucks what's your point? You think they are giving him one of these 55-60 mil per year contracts that franchise QB's get when they could just offer that to Josh instead when he's a free agent? Well considering only Josh is a better QB than Purdy... yes because he's almost a whole contract younger than Josh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Low Positive Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 They would change coaches and GM long before it came to that. Josh Allen is a Bill until at least 2029, and he will probably sign an extension that keeps him in Buffalo for the rest of his career sometime in the next year or so. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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