Report: Dolphins exploring “moving on” from Tua

[mannc]

12 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

Maybe the target is a draft pick - get that rookie QB surrounded by that talent.  
 

My guess is Richardson.   

They have no picks, so that would be tough

[Nextmanup]

12 hours ago, wppete said:

Miami going after Lamar if they get rid of Tua? 

The better question is whether or not TUA is looking to moving on from football! 

 

He certainly should be.

 

The insurance payout plus earnings to date will be plenty to keep him going.

 

 

[Niagara Dude]

14 hours ago, Success said:

The division looks a LOT easier if Tua is on another team, the Jets are still trying to figure out their situation, and Mac Jones is still floating passes for the Pats.

 

How is that?  If the Jets get Rogers and Dolphins get Jackson this would be a very tough division.  Again Beane needs to start hitting on picks like the chiefs did last season.  Stop wasting picks on high motor goof boys and start drafting guys with size for lines and elite speed at skilled positions .  You cannot teach size and speed,  his 3rd rounder last season is a typical Sean pick,  a high motor good guy who did nothing for the team last season.

[Doc]

1 hour ago, Niagara Dude said:

How is that?  If the Jets get Rogers and Dolphins get Jackson this would be a very tough division.  Again Beane needs to start hitting on picks like the chiefs did last season.  Stop wasting picks on high motor goof boys and start drafting guys with size for lines and elite speed at skilled positions .  You cannot teach size and speed,  his 3rd rounder last season is a typical Sean pick,  a high motor good guy who did nothing for the team last season.

 

The Dols have neither the cap room nor the draft picks to get either Rodgers or Jackson.  As for the Jets, no QB wants to play for them and both will cost a lot in terms on money and compensation.  Carr at least didn't cost picks and was looking (at the time) for "just" $35M and not on a fully guaranteed contract, but it doesn't appear that he wants to play for them.

Edited March 4, 2023 by Doc

[Royale with Cheese]

14 hours ago, DabillsDaBillsDaBills said:

3 concussions in 3 months is devastating, but it doesn't make much sense for them to make a move this season. 

 

Dolphins don't have much in the way of draft capital (lost their 1st due to tampering LOL) and not a lot of cap space. I'd expect them to ride it out this year and evaluate Tua. If he can't stay healthy this year they 100% need to move on. 

 

Maybe they could do a Tua + for Lamar trade. That's about the only path I see for no Tua in Miami next year. 

Not just 3 regular concussions either, these seem to be the more severe.  I will never get that image out of my head when his fingers froze.

[Niagara Dude]

40 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

The Dols have neither the cap room nor the draft picks to get either Rodgers or Jackson.  As for the Jets, no QB wants to play for them and both will cost a lot in terms on money and compensation.  Carr at least didn't cost picks and was looking (at the time) for "just" $35M and not on a fully guaranteed contract, but it doesn't appear that he wants to play for them.

They would need to clear cap space,  not much different then what the Bills did last season to sign Miller and a bunch of other free agents

 

[Doc]

5 minutes ago, Niagara Dude said:

They would need to clear cap space,  not much different then what the Bills did last season to sign Miller and a bunch of other free agents

 

Even if they did, they don't have the trade ammo.

[jethro_tull]

Tag is damaged goods after the Dolphins forked him over by letting him get two back to back concussions and then a third in the same season.   If I were he I would look at legal actions.    

Not sure if it makes that much difference because the Bills had a tough time beating Skylar Thompson.   

[ControllerOfPlanetX]

Exploring All Options..

Option 1: he will be the quarterback.

Option 2: he will not be the quarterback.

[Punching Bag]

19 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

There goes their chance of getting Poyer.

[1st&ten]

I'm not worried about any of these QB's coming into the AFC east---all we need to do is improve our offensive line & have an above average defense & will be fine.

[Victory Formation]

[PBF81]

19 hours ago, MJS said:

First they ruin his career by letting him (maybe encouraging him) to play through concussions, then they cut him off once he is damaged goods.

 

The Dolphins are a ruthless organization. They clearly do not have the best interest of their players in mind.

 

I smell a huge lawsuit coming up if they get rid of him.  May be coming anyway.  

[HOUSE]

Dolphin fans are funny. They are looking at specially designed helmets, Doctors in Finland dealing with concussions, special rubberized turf, changes in rules like flag football.  It never stops 

[Buddo]

Tua is simply too fragile as regards concussions.

 

There's no way he makes it through a full NFL season without getting another one.

 

All he did for the first one, was fall over backwards after a small push from Milano, and hit his head on the turf.

 

To get him out of the game, all that has to be done, is to knock him on his arse a couple of times, going nowhere near his head.

 

He really should be seriously considering his future, and it should be away from playing in the NFL.

 

It's pretty sad really, but reality is often so.

[Beast]

20 hours ago, wppete said:

Miami going after Lamar if they get rid of Tua? 

One injury prone QB to another.

[Low Positive]

5 hours ago, Niagara Dude said:

How is that?  If the Jets get Rogers and Dolphins get Jackson this would be a very tough division.  Again Beane needs to start hitting on picks like the chiefs did last season.  Stop wasting picks on high motor goof boys and start drafting guys with size for lines and elite speed at skilled positions .  You cannot teach size and speed,  his 3rd rounder last season is a typical Sean pick,  a high motor good guy who did nothing for the team last season.

Watching the combine today, there is no WR with “elite speed” in this draft.

[Don Otreply]

Management/Owner  has been try to rid themselves of Tua for a couple of seasons now, this is not news…, 

[Airseven]

They know they’re stability at QB away from becoming division favorite. Unless Jets get a capable QB vet too. Both rosters are missing one player to make a playoff run.

[Chaos]

1 minute ago, Airseven said:

They know they’re stability at QB away from becoming division favorite

In an internet full of nonsense, your statement is able to standout as particularly nonsensical.  Kudos. 

[Bob Chandler's Hands]

On 3/3/2023 at 8:37 PM, DabillsDaBillsDaBills said:

 

Maybe they could do a Tua + for Lamar trade. That's about the only path I see for no Tua in Miami next year. 

So a Tag and Trade deal? Not sure why the Fins would go for that as Lamar would be a FA again next season. Unless they could pre-negotiate and extension with him. 

[BillsShredder83]

On 3/3/2023 at 9:28 PM, Success said:

 

That would for sure be concerning.  But that would still be a short-term thing.  And he isn't as good as he was.  But he'd still make that team very tough for a year or 2.

 

I dunno, hes got a bit of that "baker feeling slighted" juice. not saying he wont cash a check and sign out, but wouldnt shock me to see him light the league on fire either (especially with an ol heavy draft (which i expect). only a season removed from mvp

On 3/4/2023 at 9:07 AM, Nextmanup said:

The better question is whether or not TUA is looking to moving on from football! 

 

He certainly should be.

 

The insurance payout plus earnings to date will be plenty to keep him going.

 

 

does he have one of those - college player coming back for another year type policies?

[somnus00]

On 3/3/2023 at 6:19 PM, SinceThe70s said:

 

 

Aaron Rodgers with the Jets would scare me more.

 

Agree. Hill and Waddle are scary, but I think the Jets are a more complete team. Good defense with weapons on offense. 

[ColoradoBills]

Miami's picks this year are a 2, 3, 3, 6 and 7.  Next year it's 1, 2, 3, 5, 6 and 7.

They would have to wipe out their drafts for a Rodgers/Jackson trade.

 

The Bradley Chubb trade wiped out their cap (-$15M) and they have Tua, Austin Jackson and Igbinoghene all up for 5th year options this year.

They got a lot of decisions ahead of them.  I don't see anyone but Tua playing QB for them this year.  Skylar Thompson can't be their fall back

if Tua goes down so they have to get a decent backup QB that will cost more than normal.  

 

I don't understand why so many are worried about them.  Good players on the team but in a tough position.

[Big Turk]

On 3/3/2023 at 8:42 PM, Big Blitz said:

 

 

Not sure why it's surprising...the last time Tua played a full season was in high school.  He has been injured at every level in every season since then for many games each year.  Currently likely one major concussion away from being a fan the rest of his life.  

 

Best ability for any player is availability, nothing really matters if you don't have that first.  How can a team commit franchise QB money to a guy they know is going to miss 3-4 games every season and probably have no chance of being any better than 1-3 in those games?  They can't.  It doesn't make any sense.

Edited March 6, 2023 by Big Turk

[fergie's ire]

I have NO idea how valid this is, but...Link no worky.  Sorry, couldn't figure out how to put a picture in here said the file was too big even after re-sizing.  Basically it's "Pro Football Debate" quoting something called TD Phins Talk saying there is a report that the Phins are trading Tua and a 3rd to Tampa for a 1st if Lamar is on a non-exclusive tag and then will make Lamar highest paid QB to bring him to Miami.  How they would do that with their cap issue and just how reliable this "report" is, I don't know.

 

Edited March 6, 2023 by fergie's ire

[Coffeesforclosers]

8 minutes ago, fergie's ire said:

I have NO idea how valid this is, but...Link no worky.  Sorry, couldn't figure out how to put a picture in here said the file was too big even after re-sizing.  Basically it's "Pro Football Debate" quoting something called TD Phins Talk saying there is a report that the Phins are trading Tua and a 3rd to Tampa for a 1st if Lamar is on a non-exclusive tag and then will make Lamar highest paid QB to bring him to Miami.  How they would do that with their cap issue and just how reliable this "report" is, I don't know.

 

 

Pass.

 

TD Phins Talk is a Dolphins YouTuber with about 25k subs.  That barely registers when it comes to "influencer" status. If none of the Dolphins beat reporters are saying anything, there's nothing going on.  He just had a kid too, so if he wrangles another couple thousand subs off the rumor mill, good for him and his side hustle.

[without a drought]

If Miami had both Tua and Lamar, they would only need to start their 3rd string QB for 3 or 4 games.

[major]

On 3/3/2023 at 8:27 PM, Dr.Sack said:

A good move considering Tua plays the most important position on a team and there are legitimate concerns over his ability to stay concussion free. 

If I was him I’d move away from Miami. Their coaches put his life at risk running him back on the field 

[Doc]

1 hour ago, fergie's ire said:

I have NO idea how valid this is, but...Link no worky.  Sorry, couldn't figure out how to put a picture in here said the file was too big even after re-sizing.  Basically it's "Pro Football Debate" quoting something called TD Phins Talk saying there is a report that the Phins are trading Tua and a 3rd to Tampa for a 1st if Lamar is on a non-exclusive tag and then will make Lamar highest paid QB to bring him to Miami.  How they would do that with their cap issue and just how reliable this "report" is, I don't know.

 

No chance on either scenario.  Tampa's not giving up a 1st for damaged goods and Miami can't absorb Lamar's fully guaranteed contract without gutting the team.

[TheFunPolice]

Rodgers is going to retire. Maybe he unretires later and does whatever he can to secure an outright release, but IMO he will retire soon. By doing that he could force the Packers to cut him due to the cap. 

 

Hey, the Packers have only themselves to blame. They could have had the Russell Wilson deal with Denver, but they were determined that they didn't want Rodgers to play for them, and they didn't want him to go anywhere they didn't want him to go, so this is what you get. 

 

Also, they DID want him to "learn from Favre" so it looks like he did. 

 

Rodgers is a genius. He tanked his trade value so that his new team wouldn't be gutted. No way a team gives up more than one 1st round pick for a guy who supposedly can't decide if he wants to play anymore, let alone in 2024. 

 

His course of action is probably to drag this out as long as possible with 2 aims:

 

1. drop his trade value so that his new team can still be competitive

2. possibly get an outright release if he doesn't get the trade he wants now

 

It sounds like the Packers don't want him back, don't want him in the NFC, don't want him to wear a blue jersey, don't want him to succeed anywhere, etc... If that's the case then he'll retire, then unretire this summer and they will be screwed with that contract and have no choice but to cut him. It was his plan all along. 

Edited March 6, 2023 by TheFunPolice

[Fleezoid]

But Tua is learning to hit the ground safely. Doesn't that count for anything?

[Sestak4ever]

It’s interesting to note that McDaniels was on Mike Shanahan’s staff in Washington when they literally would not take Robert Griffin off the field even though he couldn’t walk and later found he had torn both his ACL and his LCL. Interesting pattern here.

[DrDawkinstein]

On 3/5/2023 at 11:06 AM, Bob Chandler's Hands said:

So a Tag and Trade deal? Not sure why the Fins would go for that as Lamar would be a FA again next season. Unless they could pre-negotiate and extension with him. 

 

Any team trading for Lamar would have to go in knowing they'll be signing him to a fully guaranteed $270M contract. The entire trade would be contingent on a long term deal. The only owners I can think of willing to do that for him right now are Blank and Ross. Would not be surprised to see Miami do it since Ross was willing to give up ownership % to get Brady on the team. (still think it ends up Atlanta)

[starrymessenger]

Concussions, especially for a QB, are a deal killer for me. The league isn't now where it was when Aikman was playing (and it's a good thing). I think prudent risk management would suggest moving on from Tua asap. Personally I'd love to see Lamar in Miami. Don't really want to be in a Division where one team always wipes the floor with the others. 

[Dr.Sack]

On 3/5/2023 at 6:25 PM, major said:

If I was him I’d move away from Miami. Their coaches put his life at risk running him back on the field 

Agreed; however he’s on a rookie deal. The fins want long term stability. Tua is going into his 4th season. He’d be a great backup who has proven he can run their offense to a high efficiency when healthy. I’d look for a replacement and put Tua at #2 for 2023. 

[Playoffs?]

On 3/3/2023 at 8:44 PM, wppete said:

Miami going after Lamar if they get rid of Tua? 

Can Miami afford Lamar?

[Don Otreply]

On 3/5/2023 at 9:25 PM, major said:

If I was him I’d move away from Miami. Their coaches put his life at risk running him back on the field 

Quite true, but by this point in a career most players have long since drunk the koolaid on the “gotta tough it out through injury” thing, and become their own worst enemy under those circumstance. Imo Tua is a serious candidate for earlier retirement, and the taking classes on how to fall and not hit his head should be ringing alarm bells in his own head and those that supposedly care for him. 

[wppete]

4 hours ago, Playoffs? said:

Can Miami afford Lamar?

 Good question. I do t think they have a lot of money left on the cap 

[John from Riverside]

Miami is playing with fire here

 

They already look horrible for turning their QB into a concussed mess

 

If they turn around and go to another QB, they might have a hard time getting free agents