Beane Doubles Down On His Belief In Davis

[Doc]

8 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

Some silly team will often him too much money next year. 

 

When is the time to trade him and get some picks?

 

Yup.

 

When a team makes a good offer for him.

 

[Nextmanup]

5 hours ago, H2o said:

https://www.nbcsportsedge.com/football/nfl/player/60126/gabe-davis

 

 

Hopefully this is just GM speak and he has his eyes on other options. We actually still need at least 2 more WR's regardless of what he thinks of Davis. 

 

Wouldn't be surprised if he is traded next week.

 

A public comment like this is meaningless.

 

 

[ShakAttack]

5 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

I mean he is not going to publicly shame him...what else is he supposed to say?  He has however talked a lot about getting more playmakers and guys who are great at YAC, something Davis has not been good at

 

I swear he has been talking about playmakers like this for years and how difficult they are to fine.  This year, there's a strong chance there will be a guy that fits this description and it's Zay Flowers.  I hope we finally use the 1st round pick on a weapon for Allen and I hope it's Flowers.  Unless we are lucky enough to get Bijan Robinson, in which case I would be ecstatic.  We should all be.  Our offense would be on another level.  Imagine the Bills having Saquon.  That's basically what it is.

[H2o]

9 minutes ago, BobBelcher said:

 

I swear he has been talking about playmakers like this for years and how difficult they are to fine.  This year, there's a strong chance there will be a guy that fits this description and it's Zay Flowers.  I hope we finally use the 1st round pick on a weapon for Allen and I hope it's Flowers.  Unless we are lucky enough to get Bijan Robinson, in which case I would be ecstatic.  We should all be.  Our offense would be on another level.  Imagine the Bills having Saquon.  That's basically what it is.

Zay Flowers IS that dude. That's who I want as well. Imo, it would be like having two of Diggs for Allen to throw to. That's who the kid reminds me of.

[NoSaint]

6 hours ago, H2o said:

https://www.nbcsportsedge.com/football/nfl/player/60126/gabe-davis

 

 

Hopefully this is just GM speak and he has his eyes on other options. We actually still need at least 2 more WR's regardless of what he thinks of Davis. 

 

the only other hope is he was playing through much more than we knew about as fans. 
 

he just was terrible with agility, body control etc… at times. If gutting out some injuries maybe he comes back stronger. Otherwise, sure would be nervous putting my eggs in his basket 

[The Frankish Reich]

Is that really "doubling down?" Sounds more like the dreaded Vote of Confidence in a baseball manager.

[Augie]

6 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

Al Davis? 

 

It’s the track suits that confuse people. 

 

 

I think…..

 

 

I trust Gabe more than most people, much like I felt about Knox. I look forward to him staying healthy and stepping up next season. Work hard and FOCUS. I feel pretty good about that, and I still want more serious talent at the position. 

[MasterStrategist]

5 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

It wouldn't surprise me if the Bills look into a trade for Brandin Cooks.  Beane mentioned a trade as an option at WR multiple times when fielding multiple questions around WR draft strategy.  To be fair, he also mentioned free agency too.  But I think someone like Cooks to put out there with Diggs and Davis is going to intrigue Beane, and the cost to facilitate that trade will be relatively cost friendly in terms of draft compensation.  I mean look at what Cooper went for last year.  They can make the numbers work as well on a deal like this.  

Cooks was my #1 target at the trade deadline.  But cap/other reasons prohibited that..

 

For whatever reason, this team really struggles to integrate rookies (both sides of the ball).  If that's cosching/player development, or draft strategy (drafting upside/who need time), I'm not certain...

 

The better "value" is to draft a WR round 1, and get 4 cap friendly years of production....but this is where I'm starting to feel more and more pessimistic about Beane....we haven't exactly drafted well, and wasted alot of capital on the DL without much return

[Straight Hucklebuck]

Beane again praised Gabe’s work ethic, but can he can into better shape?

[Don Otreply]

Could we as a group imagine what the league would be like if GMs & HCs said what they really think? It would be really entertaining, ie; so and so has not lived up to expectations, and is on thin ice with us, and he better get his head out of his azs real soon…, 😁👍

[John from Riverside]

7 hours ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said:

Rules committee bringing back Stickum?

“ but coach it looks like a jacked off an elephant”

1 hour ago, Nextmanup said:

Wouldn't be surprised if he is traded next week.

 

A public comment like this is meaningless.

 

 

It would surprise me they’re not trading him

[DCofNC]

Obviously Beane can’t say what he really wants to in public.  Davis is a decent player with potential to be very good.  That said, they bet on him and lost last year.   They have to try for more, but if they can’t find it, you don’t want to say, “we have nothing but Diggs”.

[Punching Bag]

Davis trained hard physically last year and he came in camp in great shape.

 

He needs to find someone to work with him in off season.

 

Does Jordan Palmer have a cousin?

[newcam2012]

2 hours ago, BobBelcher said:

 

I swear he has been talking about playmakers like this for years and how difficult they are to fine.  This year, there's a strong chance there will be a guy that fits this description and it's Zay Flowers.  I hope we finally use the 1st round pick on a weapon for Allen and I hope it's Flowers.  Unless we are lucky enough to get Bijan Robinson, in which case I would be ecstatic.  We should all be.  Our offense would be on another level.  Imagine the Bills having Saquon.  That's basically what it is.

Robinson will be long gone before pick 27. He's arguably the to 5 BPA on this draft. I know it's the RB position. O think he goes to Tampa or LA Chargers in the 1st round.

 

I too would be happy with him at 27. 

[DCofNC]

8 minutes ago, Limeaid said:

Davis trained hard physically last year and he came in camp in great shape.

 

He needs to find someone to work with him in off season.

 

Does Jordan Palmer have a cousin?

I can’t believe how many people have him so much credit for doing his job.  An athlete added strength and size while not running 10 miles a day in interval sprints, imagine that.   He’s an NFL player, unfortunately, not a lot more. I said too many times last off-season, you can’t count on a guy who’s never done it before, but they ran with it.  It did not work.. oh well

[BillsFanForever19]

Even if he likes him as #2, we still need another viable outside WR at least on the same level as Gabe Davis.

 

Last year (and common sense) proved that you can't have just 2 quality outside WR's, a bunch of slots (Crowder, McKenzie, Shakir, and later Beasley), and a Special Teamer (Kumerow).

 

Regardless of who is "#2" - we will most likely only have 3 true WR's under contract from last season. So he's going to have to add there.

 

My hope is Diggs, Davis, at least 1 more strong outside WR (via FA/Trade and/or the first couple rounds of the Draft), and Shakir in the slot (McKenzie released for cap space). Filled out by mid to late round picks and/or bargain FA's identified as fits or diamonds in the rough. 

Edited March 1, 2023 by BillsFanForever19

[John from Riverside]

10 hours ago, newcam2012 said:

Some silly team will often him too much money next year. 

 

When is the time to trade him and get some picks?

you have to wait against what he does for this team compared to what pixie would actually get I don’t think that he would Garner that much

 

It’s different than say Oliver who would get you a pickand free up 10+ million in salary cap. Space

 

Davis is on a cost control contract and got us 900 yards last year. I don’t think he’s going anywhere.

[BarleyNY]

12 hours ago, The Frankish Reich said:

Is that really "doubling down?" Sounds more like the dreaded Vote of Confidence in a baseball manager.

Agreed. The good news is that he got a public vote of confidence! The bad news is that he needed to get a public vote of confidence. 

 

What really matters is what the Bills do. To date they are in a holding pattern. No replacement, no extension. I think we see at least one significant addition to the WR corps and the team goes into the season intending to let Davis play out his rookie deal. Anything that happens beyond that depends on Davis. 

[SCBills]

What doesn't add up for me is when Beane insinuates that the expectations for Gabe Davis were out unrealistic after the KC game.

 

I don't know that we all thought he would be Calvin Johnson out there.. we just thought, given Beane didn't address outside WR, that they thought he was an top flight WR2 heading into the season. 

 

He is not.  He's got value.  He's a high end 3, low end/mid WR2, with a lot of big play ability... but top flight WR2, he is not.   

 

Don't tell us we were unrealistic, if this past year is what they thought he would be, we have much bigger issues at hand... 

 

 

Edited March 1, 2023 by SCBills

[Matt_In_NH]

Words are words, lets see what his actions are.

[TheyCallMeAndy]

20 hours ago, GolfandBills said:

I wouldn’t think he’d come out and say Davis stinks he’s not a #2

I mean he’s come out and would talk about competition and stuff like that. 
 

Maybe they think a WR coach change is what Davis needs. I wouldn’t disagree. 

[Straight Hucklebuck]

13 minutes ago, SCBills said:

What doesn't add up for me is when Beane insinuates that the expectations for Gabe Davis were out unrealistic after the KC game.

 

I don't know that we all thought he would be Calvin Johnson out there.. we just thought, given Beane didn't address outside WR, that they thought he was an top flight WR2 heading into the season. 

 

He is not.  He's got value.  He's a high end 3, low end/mid WR2, with a lot of big play ability... but top flight WR2, he is not.   

 

Don't tell us we were unrealistic, if this past year is what they thought he would be, we have much bigger issues at hand... 

 

 

Amen SC. 

 

I thought the same thing. 

 

He scolds the media and fans for having "unrealistic" expectations. 

 

YOU/FO/McDermott put him into the #2 WR role on a team that had Championship aspirations. 

 

The FO chose not to get involved in the Davante Adams trade, the AJ Brown trade, no way the Chiefs were going to trade Hill here, the Cooper trade, the Hopkins trade. 

 

No fan simply typed 205 yards and 4 TDs into the computer and expected 1900 yards, 18 TDs on 106 catches. But he had numerous games in the 3 catch, 35 yard range on a team that has been ready to win for 2 years now. Combined with the drops, and seemingly small route tree. 

 

Add in, that the FO added another old, past their prime WR in Crowder, and a 5th Rounder. Beane you were telling us you were all-set at WR, but by the 3/4 mark of the season it was the FO that calling John Brown and Cole Beasley off the street. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[SCBills]

3 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

Amen SC. 

 

I thought the same thing. 

 

He scolds the media and fans for having "unrealistic" expectations. 

 

YOU/FO/McDermott put him into the #2 WR role on a team that had Championship aspirations. 

 

The FO chose not to get involved in the Davante Adams trade, the AJ Brown trade, no way the Chiefs were going to trade Hill here, the Cooper trade, the Hopkins trade. 

 

No fan simply typed 205 yards and 4 TDs into the computer and expected 1900 yards, 18 TDs on 106 catches. But he had numerous games in the 3 catch, 35 yard range on a team that has been ready to win for 2 years now. Combined with the drops, and seemingly small route tree. 

 

Add in, that the FO added another old, past their prime WR in Crowder, and a 5th Rounder. Beane you were telling us you were all-set at WR, but by the 3/4 mark of the season it was the FO that calling John Brown and Cole Beasley off the street. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Also, I vividly remember fans.. nonstop.. questioning outside WR depth the entire off-season last year.  

 

Hardly anyone was thinking, ahhh we got Gabe opposite Diggs... we're fine.  

 

All camp/pre-season, we were fed the "pass catchers" line.

 

Now, again, Beane is talking about "play makers/RAC" when asked about WR....

 

My goodness, BRO, just get us another legit outside WR2.  Stop being cute about it.  We all know what the deal is. 

[damj]

21 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

Al Davis? 

No, Sammy Davis Jr

[PrimeTime101]

I call this "draft smokescreen." 

[DapperCam]

His actions will speak louder than his words here. If he takes a first round WR, or brings in a FA WR to be #2, then we’ll know what he really thinks.

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

21 hours ago, H2o said:

https://www.nbcsportsedge.com/football/nfl/player/60126/gabe-davis

 

 

Hopefully this is just GM speak and he has his eyes on other options. We actually still need at least 2 more WR's regardless of what he thinks of Davis. 

 

 

Diggs Davis Shakir Mckenzie.  Mckenzie is cheap - i'd carry him to camp.  I'd like to see a rookie and a vet.  

 

I'm not opposed to a WR in the first, i just don't know what's there and i don't know that there is value where we pick.  

 

WR free agents are super limited.  I'd take a flier on robert woods, i don't think he'll be super expensive and i think this offense might be a good place for him (doesn't need to take a huge snap load, can play some in the slot, etc).

 

 

[TheBrownBear]

It's GM speak.  You show your hand and you end up trading up for Kair Elam instead of Trent McDuffie.

[In Summary]

21 hours ago, WhoTom said:

What is it they say about never believing anything a GM says leading up to the draft?

 

Beane is playing poker. He's not showing his cards.

Yes.  Expressing any disappointment in Davis tells the team drafting near your position to take the receiver you want before you get a chance.  

[SCBills]

18 minutes ago, TheBrownBear said:

It's GM speak.  You show your hand and you end up trading up for Kair Elam instead of Trent McDuffie.

 

Speaking of that trade, a lot of fans here act as if KC clowned us on this situation... I'm not sure Elam doesn't end up the better player.  His physical ceiling is higher than McDuffie and he made plays whenever he was out there. 

[Ethan in Cleveland]

Two things can be true. 

I think Davis is a good player and may very well be better in 2023.

They still need to add a WR. Diggs is not getting any younger. WR production falls off with age just not as precipitously as at RB. They need a new WR if for nothing than to hedge against being unable to pay Davis. 

[GreggTX]

They like Gabe because he has a strong work ethic. I suspect he'll be a Bill for years to come, but not as WR2. You don't disrespect your players publicly if they're doing their best -- even if they're not good enough to start.

4 hours ago, TheBrownBear said:

It's GM speak. You show your hand and you end up trading up for Kair Elam instead of Trent McDuffie.

 

Buddy Nix used to say you should never believe any GM's before the draft. I wouldn't want Buddy back as GM, but he could do the press conferences. He had the gift of gab.

 

[CorkScrewHill]

Receiving including WR and TEs

Gabe was

- 33rd in the league in yards per game with 55.7 .. 4 yds less than DK Metcalf.

- 33rd in total receiving yards at 836 yds .. (he missed 2 games). If you add in the 11 yards on average he would have caught it would have put him right behind Jerry Juedy in 24th place.

- he tied for 15th in TDs with 7

 

The Bills had some of the worst weather games in the league. This is not taken into account when looking at stats but will always play a part in better numbers for other teams who have mainly good weather games.really bad weather all year.

 

His numbers scream a number 2 receiver. His drop numbers were horrible and he does need to learn a broader route tree, but he is 4th round receiver going into his 4th year.

 

If the Bills spent their first three draft picks on OL and no receivers I would be thrilled. Josh not getting killed will make our existing receivers better and we have a great one (Diggs), a very good one (Davis), and a promising youngster (Shakir)

 

 

Edited March 1, 2023 by CorkScrewHill

[John from Riverside]

8 hours ago, SCBills said:

What doesn't add up for me is when Beane insinuates that the expectations for Gabe Davis were out unrealistic after the KC game.

 

I don't know that we all thought he would be Calvin Johnson out there.. we just thought, given Beane didn't address outside WR, that they thought he was an top flight WR2 heading into the season. 

 

He is not.  He's got value.  He's a high end 3, low end/mid WR2, with a lot of big play ability... but top flight WR2, he is not.   

 

Don't tell us we were unrealistic, if this past year is what they thought he would be, we have much bigger issues at hand... 

 

 

Just create a situation to put some back into the number three Role where he belongs bring in a veteran that can play the boundary draft a guy in case you can’t retain him, but create competition behind diggs

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

I’m glad Beane isn’t dropping his confidence in Gabe. I’d hate for an incomplete opportunity in Buffalo. I’m sure this won’t slip though his hands. 
 

 

[Dopey]

To be a mid 4th round pick, who played 2 of his first 3 seasons with Diggs, Beasley, Knox, John Brown and Emanuel Sanders, that was a helluva pick by Beane. He’s put up pretty good numbers with only one ball to go around. This was his first season as a full time starter. I’m up for bringing in more talent/competition at wr, but I think he’s going to have a solid year at wr2.  

[BruceVilanch]

I restarted my Madden franchise and the first thing I did was trade Gabe and a second and future fourth to Seattle for DK. I would love it if we did that.

Edited March 2, 2023 by BruceVilanch
Future fourth

[Vickveto]

He has proven to be a better player than Hollywood brown or Chase Claypool before trade.

A late first or  early second compensation plus a young player feels right.

He is in the last year of his contract. Sportrac has him at a projected 12/mil per season. We cant afford that if we want our defense and o- line competitive. 

[Momma Pecoraro]

I'll give you a 6th rounder.

[Thrivefourfive]

Sold!