Chad Hall leaves for Jags

[NoSaint]

2 hours ago, Augie said:

I just heard Josh Jacobs interviewed at the SB. Asked which locations he might enjoy outside of Vegas, he listed all the tax free states. That is a very real consideration. Plus, the Jags have a real QB which helps make a WR coach look better. 

Plus zay Jones 

43 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

Didn’t Josh, after Beasley returned, say something to the effect that there were concepts we didn’t run this year because nobody besides Beasley (who is in the autumn of his career) could run them?  Not a good look for Hall, and maybe for Beane.  But it may explain part of the thinking in not renewing/extending Hall. 

I can’t say our guys behind diggs showed a ton of poise on the field. Not sure whether underprepared or they’ve overcomplicated the system. No one would confuse Davis, or McKenzie as being particularly quarterback friendly at the moment though. 

[thenorthremembers]

4 minutes ago, BillsFanInRaleigh said:

is it....that Thad Lewis?

It is that Thad Lewis.  He is the assistant WR Coach in TB.    I imagine the Bills want to get better YAC from their guys, and Tampa was one of a few teams that had two guys in the top 25 in YAC this year.  

 

 

[Augie]

19 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

I never understood why this isn’t fixed by the NFL. There should be some sort of cap adjustment for teams in states with higher taxes.

 

I agree the playing field should be leveled somehow. I have no suggestions on the best way to accomplish this, other than eliminating state taxes from the cap accounting. I think they have to pay taxes in the states where they play/earn paychecks, but half your games are at home so that matters more than road games. 

 

When we moved from tax free FL (state taxes only of course) to GA my wife got a 6% raise to account for state taxes. Surely the NFL can come up with a way to level the competitive disadvantage. It can be done. 

[TheBrownBear]

He's a Southern boy married to a Southern gal.  Maybe he just got tired of living in a Northern state and all of the differences (weather, geography, culture, politics, etc.) from where he spent most of his life.  Also, Jax is a team on the rise and he gets to learn under an Andy Reid disciple as opposed to the relatively inexperienced Dorsey.  Probably a lot more career stability working under Pederson than Dorsey at the moment.  The move makes perfect sense for Hall when you think about it.

Edited February 10, 2023 by TheBrownBear

[John from Riverside]

I don’t know why this is so surprising
 

 

[DJB]

Hopefully he takes McKenzie with him

[ROCBillsBeliever]

2 hours ago, Bangarang said:

Poached by Zay Jones

 

I thought Zay fought for Jesus, NOT for Chad Hall 🤔

[SectionC3]

23 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

Plus zay Jones 

I can’t say our guys behind diggs showed a ton of poise on the field. Not sure whether underprepared or they’ve overcomplicated the system. No one would confuse Davis, or McKenzie as being particularly quarterback friendly at the moment though. 

That comment makes me think of Dorsey losing his S in Miami early in the season over McKenzie.  

20 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said:

It is that Thad Lewis.  He is the assistant WR Coach in TB.    I imagine the Bills want to get better YAC from their guys, and Tampa was one of a few teams that had two guys in the top 25 in YAC this year.  

 

 

If we want better YAC then we should focus on the screen game.  

[Buffalo_Stampede]

6 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

I don’t know why this is so surprising
 

 

He’s probably our most popular position coach. Most fans know him and like him. Been here 6 years.

 

It’s an interesting development. 

[78thealltimegreat]

3 hours ago, Dablitzkrieg said:

 

 

His track record of developing receivers is? 

Edited February 10, 2023 by 78thealltimegreat

[BBills_88]

Hire a another WR coach and when our WR's perform better. 

 

ALL will be forgotten.

 

Go BILLS!!!

[Franco_92]

56 minutes ago, Bermuda Triangle said:

Was Salgado's contract up?

Let's hear your thoughtful analysis on how the Bills have overlooked something so obvious to your astute eye, something that would make McBean and Terry smack their forehead and say, Doh! Why didn't we fire this guy instead of that guy?

 

For God's sake you don't know everything, quit being a petulant crybaby 

 

The bills have reasons far beyond what we can see for what they do, and they make plenty of sense with the extremely limited information we have unless you want to stamp around and make this place unreadable as it has been the last 2 weeks 

[HappyDays]

I can't pretend that I care about positional coaches. Aaron Kromer was supposed to whip our OL into shape, and instead they turned in a miserable performance for most of the year. I don't blame Kromer, you can't magically turn bad players into good players. I can't imagine any WR coach is really that much better than any other, there are no secret techniques that Chad Hall taught. So, whatever.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

We can be certain that he either wanted to leave or they didn’t want him to stay. 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

1 minute ago, HappyDays said:

I can't pretend that I care about positional coaches. Aaron Kromer was supposed to whip our OL into shape, and instead they turned in a miserable performance for most of the year. I don't blame Kromer, you can't magically turn bad players into good players. I can't imagine any WR coach is really that much better than any other, there are no secret techniques that Chad Hall taught. So, whatever.

Pretty much this. We probably shouldn’t be shocked. New OC. OL coach left last year. This year WR coach. Maybe more to come. 

[MarkyMannn]

1 hour ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

I never understood why this isn’t fixed by the NFL. There should be some sort of cap adjustment for teams in states with higher taxes.

Or NYS could get their tax structure in place to be similar to other states. I mean who wants to be #1 in taxation 

[MrEpsYtown]

I mentioned him before, but Ricky Proehl is set to coach as an assistant in the XFL. I would think he gets a call. 

 

I hope they don't go here, but David Culley could get a re-dial. 

 

Cam Turner could be an interesting fit as a younger guy in the game. He worked under Dorsey and Proehl in Carolina and is Norv Turner's nephew. I'm good with this if he brought Deandre Hopkins with him from Arizona.

 

As much as I don't like him I kind of wish they would think outside the box and bring somebody like Steve Smith in, somebody with some fire and passion. 

 

 

 

 

[benderbender]

It’s telling when he isn’t promoted or extended and makes a lateral move to another team. 

[Punching Bag]

3 hours ago, BillsDad51 said:

Since it's a lateral move, don't Bills have a right to block it? Which must mean they are OK to move on to someone else.

 

Generally on principle Bills do not block staff.

[PatsFanNH]

3 hours ago, arcane said:

And what significant development took place in the WR room that tells you he wasn't part of the problem? Our WR play has been terrible the last few years outside of Diggs and Beasley, both of whom were who they are when they got here.

Well you have 1 WR runs a great route but drops the ball a lot, not sure how a WR coach fixed that.. and then you have a bunch long shots like 98% of the league not called the Bengals. Lol

[Gugny]

1 minute ago, PatsFanNH said:

Well you have 1 WR runs a great route but drops the ball a lot, not sure how a WR coach fixed that.. and then you have a bunch long shots like 98% of the league not called the Bengals. Lol

 

@DrDawkinstein

[Straight Hucklebuck]

Use this as an opportunity, instead of mourning a loss. 

 

Conduct a long interview set and pick a candidate that can add more to the offense. 

[Airseven]

Lateral move to get off a sinking ship perhaps.

[NewEra]

2 minutes ago, Airseven said:

Lateral move to get off a sinking ship perhaps.

please, join him.

[Coldfronts]

I'd rather have a coaches coach rather than a player's coach, whatever that means

[Rebel101]

4 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

He probably got tired of watching Dorsey call go routes all day. This doesn't help.

Yeah I feel like this is an odd look. Thought everyone wanted in Buffalo? 

[Straight Hucklebuck]

I'm happy for this. 

 

2020 

2021

2022 

 

We were trending towards bringing everyone else back. All coaches. All people. 

 

Let's see if we can do better than Chad Hall. 

 

McDermott won't change, people quitting on him will force some movement from complacency. 

[MJS]

He was well liked, but our receivers haven't exactly been developing well. They are all the same or worse than they were when they got here, outside of maybe Diggs. But Diggs flourished with the increased opportunity and his connection with Josh Allen, not because he got great coaching from Hall.

4 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

I'm happy for this. 

 

2020 

2021

2022 

 

We were trending towards bringing everyone else back. All coaches. All people. 

 

Let's see if we can do better than Chad Hall. 

 

McDermott won't change, people quitting on him will force some movement from complacency. 

Why do you think McDermott won't change? He fired his offensive coordinator after one year and then brought in Daboll. He has made numerous coaching changed over the years, including multiple positional coaches, like the oline coach, dline coach, etc. He makes changes like every year to the coaching staff.

[folz]

Sometimes it's just time for a change/fresh start for all involved. He has been here six years, how much more were the receivers going to learn from him at this point? No question, his players loved him...but it was also a very down year for the position. I'm not laying all of that at Chad's feet, there were so many other factors involved (injuries, new OC, etc.), but I have a feeling that McBeane just thought it was time for a new voice/different personality in that room (especially if his contract was indeed up).

 

And this regime is known for letting guys find another job first when they are going to move on from someone, so they don't have to "fire" or not "resign" them. Obviously Chad is a good coach and was going to find another job, just had to wait for the dust of the season to settle a bit.

 

Could be similar to the firing of Salgado (from the teaching aspect). We will probably be bringing in some young WRs (along with Shakir and Gabe) and maybe they want to bring in a guy that has a proven track record of coaching up young WRs. Or, like I said before, maybe it was just time for a new voice/perspective in that room. Sometimes someone coming in fresh can see things that the current person might not be able to see clearly, due to familiarity or relationships, etc. (the old idea of when you live in the monkey house, you get used to the smell and don't notice it anymore---maybe not the best analogy, but you get the point).

 

Call me a Homer, but this seems like the most plausible scenario to me...as opposed to Chad seeing that the Bills are a sinking ship with MCBeane and he's getting while the getting is good because he's going to become OC in Jacksonville within a year and win a Super Bowl there way before the Bills ever win one, while at the same time saving on his taxes. 😁

 

[MrEpsYtown]

Hall is an Andy Reid/Doug Pederson guy. This makes a lot of sense on the surface. 

[RocCityRoller]

5 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:

Hall is an Andy Reid/Doug Pederson guy. This makes a lot of sense on the surface. 

 

McDermott is from the Reid tree too... just the defensive side.

[Wayne Arnold]

1 hour ago, HappyDays said:

I can't pretend that I care about positional coaches. Aaron Kromer was supposed to whip our OL into shape, and instead they turned in a miserable performance for most of the year. I don't blame Kromer, you can't magically turn bad players into good players. I can't imagine any WR coach is really that much better than any other, there are no secret techniques that Chad Hall taught. So, whatever.

 

"Catching with hands" is a technique that is only secret to Hall and Gabe Davis, apparently.

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

I would bet after this past winter, he was looking to be a permanent snow bird. 

[Bermuda Triangle]

1 hour ago, arcane said:

Let's hear your thoughtful analysis on how the Bills have overlooked something so obvious to your astute eye, something that would make McBean and Terry smack their forehead and say, Doh! Why didn't we fire this guy instead of that guy?

 

For God's sake you don't know everything, quit being a petulant crybaby 

 

The bills have reasons far beyond what we can see for what they do, and they make plenty of sense with the extremely limited information we have unless you want to stamp around and make this place unreadable as it has been the last 2 weeks 

That rant didn't really address either of the questions I've posed in this thread. 

[Lagoon Blues]

Money, weather and people often forget that family is involved as well.  Wife may have wanted it just as much or more.  A lot of these decisions are not made in a vacuum.  Just my 2cents.

Edited February 10, 2023 by Lagoon Blues

[WyoAZBillfan]

2 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

I never understood why this isn’t fixed by the NFL. There should be some sort of cap adjustment for teams in states with higher taxes.

There is an adjustment, it takes place during election years. 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

7 minutes ago, WyoAZBillfan said:

There is an adjustment, it takes place during election years. 

Ha. Good luck with that.

[boyst]

5 hours ago, LabattBlue said:

…or maybe he felt he should have been hired as the OC, waited to see if Dorsey was on solid ground after a mediocre 1st year as OC, and when he found out Dorsey was going nowhere, he bolted. 

this team as is structured now with Beane / McDermott and Co. is going nowhere and that isn't necessarily an indictment of Dorsey (who I like) in his singular year of being a coordinator.

 

mcdermott has squandered talent on the team for 2 years with lack luster performances. Beane would rather sign an aged up veteran (Miller) than someone who is already a part of the "Process" and contributed.

 

so sad that we are wasting Allen's best years with this ***** show of production and we will waste a year in 2023 following the McDermott train again.

Edited February 10, 2023 by boyst

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

41 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said:

 

"Catching with hands" is a technique that is only secret to Hall and Gabe Davis, apparently.

Variation on the 'Mr. Miyagi Method': "Ball in, ball out..." 🤨

[kota]

Contract was up Bills moved on.  not sure why he gets that many accolades to be honest.  Non - vet talent aren't developing fast enough that is his job.  Does he really need to teach Diggs, Beasley, Saunders anything?