Beane End of Year Presser

[Gugny]

Just now, Nitro said:

The TD in the endzone?  He literally took the ball away from the guy.  He fought for it for ten yards to wrestle it away in the end zone.

 

Nope.  I was thinking of the wrong one.  I thought you were talking about the 98-yard bomb.  

[dave mcbride]

11 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

More importantly, and sadly, I think the Pegulas are fine with it as long as the season ticket demand remains high.

The Pegulas aren't in this to make money. They have enough of that to last several lifetimes. They do actually want to win it all.

[Nitro]

Just now, Gugny said:

 

Nope.  I was thinking of the wrong one.  I thought you were talking about the 98-yard bomb.  

That is okay.  I should have been specific

[DabillsDaBillsDaBills]

Hate the Spencer Brown excuses. If the guy was so effected by his lack of offseason reps and back injuries it's still Beane's job as GM to address that and bring somebody else in to play that position. Brown was a disaster on the field. 

 

The Bengals talk is ironic. Beane you are aware that you had a top 10 pick the year after you drafted a QB right? And that you've had the same advantage of a top 3 QB on a rookie contract? 

 

A lot of the other stuff is just whatever. If we're firing coaches or making big roster changes I don't expect him to be blabbing about it at this presser. 

[Gugny]

1 minute ago, dave mcbride said:

The Pegulas aren't in this to make money. They have enough of that to last several lifetimes. They do actually want to win it all.

 

I hope you're right.

[Rocbillsfan1]

How many times did he use the word culture? How bout leave the culture stuff to the people that live in western NY. I just want you guys to win and be good at your jobs. 

[dave mcbride]

7 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

I hope you're right.

I think I am in this case. Terry's net worth is currently listed at $6.7 billion by Forbes and $8.19 billion by Bloomberg. I don't think many people really fathom how much money that it is. It's an obscene amount and so great that if he lost 80 percent of it tomorrow from either amount, he'd still have enough to live in the lap of luxury for another 30 lifetimes.

Edited January 24, 2023 by dave mcbride

[Fleezoid]

50 minutes ago, UKBillFan said:

I thought these end of season conferences were supposed to instil confidence? Sounds like Beane is basically saying "we're screwed".

 

We died on the mountain, just like green-boots

 

Jack Ryan: "Hounds to the hunters."

Captain Davenport: "Your Russian's going to make it to America, Mr. Ryan. He's going to die within sight of it."

 

[BarleyNY]

1 hour ago, Southern_Bills said:

I wonder what happened to the years when we had the advantage of having a QB on a rookie contract...oh that's right Beane and McDermott couldn't get it done then either.

Yup. I hate the QB-on-a-rookie-contract cop out. Consistently drafting well and spending wisely is the answer to that. And guess what? We’ve got a top QB on a veteran deal. If you can’t make that work, then there’s nothing you can do for us. 

[Beck Water]

23 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said:

I'd take Marquise Brown over any wideout on this team not named Steffon Diggs.   If he is your number 2 you're in really good shape.

 

I think if you compared Brown on Arizona this season to Davis, you might be surprised - and he was the #1 guy for a lot of it.

But that's a disagreement on one player, and really doesn't detract from your overall point where we agree:

 

Beane was rationalizing Cincinnati's choices to prioritize offense, when he prioritized defense or whiffed on a pick.

[mjt328]

9 minutes ago, blacklabel said:

Do some of you really expect him to say, "oh yeah, the axe is gonna come down, heads are rolling, we're replacing this guy and that coach and Timmy the clipboard holder he's gone too."

 

The expectations are absolutely absurd from some of y'all. Beane has built a consistent contender, something we hadn't seen for nearly two decades. Does he have some whiffs? Sure. They all do. No GM has a perfect track record. 

 

Josh had guys like Robert Foster and Zay Jones in 18 and 19. Everyone said "they need a real receiver for Josh!" Beane goes and gets Diggs. 

 

Everyone griped about the pass rush in 2020 and 2021. What'd Beane do? Goes out and gets a Hall of Fame pass rusher. 

 

They've drafted well, developed players and retained them. That is how you keep the window open. Crap happens. If they were to do a major overhaul like some of y'all want then we'd all be miserable watching this team go 8-9 for another two or three seasons. 

 

And I'm not saying Beane is immune to criticism, I'm saying some of ya need to allow room for error because again, no GM can be perfect. He's done a lot to address the needs of the team and with the way the cap works they have to prioritize the positions they find most important and pay those guys and hope they can get by with average or subpar players are some other spots. This is something all teams have to do. 

 

I know Dorsey isn't going anywhere. And yeah at times his calls weren't the best or most creative but other times it was Josh not making the best decisions and the offense not executing. As always it's a combination of things but it's just too easy for people to point at one or two people and place all the blame on them. 

 

That said...the one change I think I'd like to see is them moving on from Leslie Frazier. Very consistent in the regular season but when the pressure is on in the big games things just seem to fall apart. I'd like to see some more creativity on that side of the ball. 

 

It'll be an interesting off-season. 

 

I've been a huge defender of Brandon Beane.  But much of the responsibility for this mess falls on his shoulders.

 

This regime's early drafts (2017-2018) were excellent and set the foundation for us to be one of the NFL's best teams.

But his draft classes have slowly drifted backwards from that point.  2019 was solid, but produced no real difference makers.  2020 was pretty blah, and was only saved by the trade for Stefon Diggs.  2021 got us Groot and a bunch of nothing.  Everyone we got in 2022 spent most of their rookie seasons sitting the bench.

 

Before the season, there was an assumption the Bills had an extremely deep roster.  In reality, our backups just hadn't been tested outside of the few times we saw them in the preseason.  Injuries forced quite a few guys into action this year, and we found out they weren't as good as originally believed.

 

[starrymessenger]

20 minutes ago, Governor said:

These guys are done. Time to turn up the heat.

What he's actually saying, whether he knows it or not, is that the changes most would like to see will likely happen only a year from now after an inevitably uninspiring season. Unless Pegs pulls on his big boy pants and makes some executive decisions, however unlikely.

[Negan]

Beane just draft offense this year and don't let McDermott tell you which lousy defensive lineman to draft.

[Brand J]

I generally look forward to Beane pressers, he’s usually as honest and candid with you as he can be. This presser today was… uninspiring. Lots of excuses being passed around, lots of pointing to the team’s record, and praising of players and coaches. That’s not what I wanted to hear as far as what needs to be done to get this team over the hump. Would rather he gave out vague, angry answers, that way I’d feel good about changes coming. Sounds like Frazier and everyone else is back if McD says so 🤮

[Chaos]

Its no ones fault. Everyone did their best. We are not in a position to make any changes. We are not as good as the competition.  Is this a fair summary? 

[Fan in Chicago]

1 hour ago, thenorthremembers said:

Happening now.   Dont have twitter so cant update there but so far the guy sounds like he doesnt have many answers:

 

Well that was ... underwhelming to say the least, depressing to say more. 

All that was left was for him to say "winning is hard in the NFL"

 

After 13 seconds, the fans had hope going into this season. This will not be the case if he walks it (players, coaches) back next season

[Negan]

Just now, JayBaller10 said:

I generally look forward to Beane pressers, he’s usually as honest and candid with you as he can be. This presser today was… uninspiring. Lots of excuses being passed around, lots of pointing to the team’s record, and praising of players and coaches. That’s not what I wanted to hear as far as what needs to be done to get this team over the hump. Would rather he gave out vague, angry answers, that way I’d feel good about changes coming. Sounds like Frazier and everyone else is back if McD says so 🤮

One step closer to a first round exit in the playoffs or no playoffs all together.  No accountability whatsoever is what makes fans pissed, slap the same crap oline on the field next year to destroy Allen. No wr's drafted year after year, especially in cheap contracts. 

[Coach Tuesday]

5 minutes ago, starrymessenger said:

What he's actually saying, whether he knows it or not, is that the changes most would like to see will likely happen only a year from now after an inevitably uninspiring season. Unless Pegs pulls on his big boy pants and makes some executive decisions, however unlikely.

 

Yep.  This was always the most likely outcome and it's how most conservatively-run teams operate.  Unless Frazier decides to retire or transition to a league administrative role, I don't see any real changes coming.

[jkeerie]

6 minutes ago, DabillsDaBillsDaBills said:

Hate the Spencer Brown excuses. If the guy was so effected by his lack of offseason reps and back injuries it's still Beane's job as GM to address that and bring somebody else in to play that position. Brown was a disaster on the field. 

 

The Bengals talk is ironic. Beane you are aware that you had a top 10 pick the year after you drafted a QB right? And that you've had the same advantage of a top 3 QB on a rookie contract? 

 

A lot of the other stuff is just whatever. If we're firing coaches or making big roster changes I don't expect him to be blabbing about it at this presser. 

I'm listening to the presser now.  His point about Spencer Brown at the end was "We're not going to give him a roster spot.  We're going to bring in competition."  This year, none of the O linemen they had on the roster could unseat him...not because he was good, but because they were worse.  

 

At the time we had the top 10 pick, we were still building both sides of the ball.  He went with Oliver on the defensive side.  Then he got Diggs the following year.  As I recall, most folks were happy with both those moves.  He clearly believes he needs to see much more from Oliver.  The Bengals got Chase because he played with Burrows at LSU.  They had a chemistry.  Who did Josh play with at Wyoming that would be as immediately compatible?  I think that's why Beane went with veteran receivers to help Josh so they wouldn't both be learning at the same time.

 

As to the rest of the presser, I don't expect Beane to trash anyone in the media...just like McD.  So these folks that are hearing "run it back"...I"m not hearing that.  I'm hearing some things he's happy with, but that they have a lot of work to do.

[Billz4ever]

Just now, Chaos said:

Its no ones fault. Everyone did their best. We are not in a position to make any changes. We are not as good as the competition.  Is this a fair summary? 

Sounds a lot to me like he's definitely trying to lessen expectations going into next season.  I'm really hoping it's just a matter of him trying to play his cards close to his chest, but it certainly wasn't inspiring a lot of hope or optimism that they have the ability or the willingness to fix the problems this team has right now.

[TFBillsfan]

I know many fans are still upset about the loss to the Bengals, but we’re you really surprised by Beane’s press conference? The reality is the Bills are a top tier team in the AFC and NFL. You don’t go blowing that up. Yes, the expectation is Dorsey will continue to grow and be a better OC in year 2 than year one. It’s obvious they know the interior of the OL needs address and I fully expect them to do that. They also know they need some speed and more talent at WR. 

 

Defensively, having a fully healthy Tre back coupled with Elam in his second year they are solid at CB. Hyde will return at Safety and I do expect them to lock up Edmunds.  A healthy Von Miller, Ed O, Jordan P, Groot and Daquan Jones is solid. We have enough pieces of D to be a solid top 10 D.
 

Add some new pieces from the draft, get some solid FA’s, restructure a few contracts and do you really believe the Bills won’t be in the thick of it next year? Some of you are acting like the gap is huge.

 

The Bills need to stay healthy, add weapons for Josh, improve the OL, reduce the maddening self inflicted mistakes, see growth and evolution from Dorsey and I love our chances.

 

LETS GO BUFFALO!

[billieve420]

39 minutes ago, PaulieYayo said:

Sounds like his plan is to run it back with no changes or accountability to the coordinators. He just loves everyone and how great they played. I wish a reporter would actually ask him and McD difficult questions for once and grill them a bit

 

I am sure they won't announce any move immediately and if there are coaching changes will be announced quietly after they go through their internal review.

[thenorthremembers]

3 minutes ago, Fan in Chicago said:

Well that was ... underwhelming to say the least, depressing to say more. 

All that was left was for him to say "winning is hard in the NFL"

 

After 13 seconds, the fans had hope going into this season. This will not be the case if he walks it (players, coaches) back next season

It was the first time I was unhappy with a Beane presser.    He seemed resigned to the fact that they would have to have a similar roster.

[DrDawkinstein]

1 minute ago, thenorthremembers said:

It was the first time I was unhappy with a Beane presser.    He seemed resigned to the fact that they would have to have a similar roster.

 

Because that was pretty much his plan when he went all-in for this season. And then we got bit by the injury bug. We swung for the fences and fouled the ball right into our own cup.

 

Beane has his work cut out for him this offseason. I'm sure he realizes it too.

[RG Murdock]

Buffalo media is so lazy and inept. Tough questions are NEVER asked. Truly a minor league, likely low paid group. Fans are even worse. When someone does ask relevant, tough questions (Jerry Sullivan) the fans jump on him... Frankly, Sullivan's questions look 100% spot on now!    

[Coach Tuesday]

27 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

I mean, what's he supposed to say? People are reading too much into this. He's not going to throw anyone under the bus. It's so not his way.

 

He can throw himself under the bus.  Personal accountability, which is usually something he's good at.  His scouting/pro personnel efforts have been utter garbage and have done very little to help the team compete post-2018.

[Mango]

1 hour ago, thenorthremembers said:

He appears very under water.   Seemingly acknowledging that we cant do much expect run it back which is not what I thought he'd say.

I thought he looked a bit dear in headlights.
 

When you talk about Brown, Hines, Bernard, the DL, and how tough it looked for this team to just play football for half the year so much of it comes down missing on a number of drafts in a row and poor cap allocation.

 

He said “we have to nail this draft” he knows he hasn’t every nailed his top 100 picks and his time is likely coming near. 

 

[MasterStrategist]

Pretty much the same story last offseason, let's just hope Beane is more honest with himself on weaknesses on this team and executes the draft/FA better (and hope for fewer injuries).

 

OL, WR, DL

[mjt328]

6 minutes ago, TFBillsfan said:

I know many fans are still upset about the loss to the Bengals, but we’re you really surprised by Beane’s press conference? The reality is the Bills are a top tier team in the AFC and NFL. You don’t go blowing that up. Yes, the expectation is Dorsey will continue to grow and be a better OC in year 2 than year one. It’s obvious they know the interior of the OL needs address and I fully expect them to do that. They also know they need some speed and more talent at WR. 

 

Defensively, having a fully healthy Tre back coupled with Elam in his second year they are solid at CB. Hyde will return at Safety and I do expect them to lock up Edmunds.  A healthy Von Miller, Ed O, Jordan P, Groot and Daquan Jones is solid. We have enough pieces of D to be a solid top 10 D.
 

Add some new pieces from the draft, get some solid FA’s, restructure a few contracts and do you really believe the Bills won’t be in the thick of it next year? Some of you are acting like the gap is huge.

 

The Bills need to stay healthy, add weapons for Josh, improve the OL, reduce the maddening self inflicted mistakes, see growth and evolution from Dorsey and I love our chances.

 

LETS GO BUFFALO!

 

I think you are going to be very disappointed next year.

The Bills are setup to take a step back in 2023, and hopefully reload for another Super Bowl in 2-3 years.

 

With the salary cap, we have a choice to either gut the defense this year OR address the issues on offense.  They probably can't keep both Tremaine Edmunds and Jordan Poyer, and even keeping one will make it very difficult to fix the O-Line and receiver room.  Von Miller will be lucky to return by mid-season, and may not return to his old self.  Until that point, we get the D-Line we saw on Sunday (yuck).  

 

Teams can only stay competitive for long periods of time with good drafting.  Our last three draft classes have been well below average, which means we don't have players ready to step into key roles when veteran free agents leave.  

 

Yeah, we still have Josh Allen.  But the surrounding team is going to be inferior to other AFC rosters.  And with the possible QBs that will be available this offseason (Aaron Rodgers, Lamar Jackson, Derek Carr), it's very possible the Jets/Patriots find a way to narrow that gap in our division too.

 

[todd]

No GM is going to throw anyone under the bus at a press conference. I think inside the walls they know they have a ton of stuff to shore up. McDermott suggested that in his presser. 
 

people here are pissed he’s not screaming and stomping his feet in a press conference. Nor is he going to go into details on plans for improvement. Last year he said there probably would t be big fa signings. Then they signed Von.

Edited January 27, 2023 by todd
Bad spellz

[ChrisWatson#21]

1 hour ago, Returntoglory said:

Blame the OC for this.

Don’t!  We don’t need more tablets smashed from that nutjob😂

[Albwan]

1 hour ago, ngbills said:

Basically admitting we are on the decline. Passed by CIN and already behind KC. Since they have Burrow and Chase nothing we can do unless we suck for in a year a good WR is available early. 

This is pretty much the way it is.

[No_Matter_What]

1 hour ago, blacklabel said:

Do some of you really expect him to say, "oh yeah, the axe is gonna come down, heads are rolling, we're replacing this guy and that coach and Timmy the clipboard holder he's gone too."

 

The expectations are absolutely absurd from some of y'all. Beane has built a consistent contender, something we hadn't seen for nearly two decades. Does he have some whiffs? Sure. They all do. No GM has a perfect track record. 

 

Josh had guys like Robert Foster and Zay Jones in 18 and 19. Everyone said "they need a real receiver for Josh!" Beane goes and gets Diggs. 

 

Everyone griped about the pass rush in 2020 and 2021. What'd Beane do? Goes out and gets a Hall of Fame pass rusher. 

 

They've drafted well, developed players and retained them. That is how you keep the window open. Crap happens. If they were to do a major overhaul like some of y'all want then we'd all be miserable watching this team go 8-9 for another two or three seasons. 

 

And I'm not saying Beane is immune to criticism, I'm saying some of ya need to allow room for error because again, no GM can be perfect. He's done a lot to address the needs of the team and with the way the cap works they have to prioritize the positions they find most important and pay those guys and hope they can get by with average or subpar players are some other spots. This is something all teams have to do. 

 

I know Dorsey isn't going anywhere. And yeah at times his calls weren't the best or most creative but other times it was Josh not making the best decisions and the offense not executing. As always it's a combination of things but it's just too easy for people to point at one or two people and place all the blame on them. 

 

That said...the one change I think I'd like to see is them moving on from Leslie Frazier. Very consistent in the regular season but when the pressure is on in the big games things just seem to fall apart. I'd like to see some more creativity on that side of the ball. 

 

It'll be an interesting off-season. 

 

This is the best post I've read on this board since that dissappoing loss.

 

Bad posters went rogue, and even many good and reasonable posters seemed to lost their minds for a while (many in this thread).

 

I agree with every single word from the top to bottom.

 

Thank you for bringing a little sanity to this board.

Edited January 24, 2023 by No_Matter_What

[Boatdrinks]

Don’t  know what anyone expects they’ll hear in these pressers. Beane isn’t going to broadcast his intentions going forward. It’ll be “while we did some good things , we fell short of our ultimate goal. We don’t expect any huge signings due to cap considerations…” These aren’t the Russ Brandon / Whaley days.. we’ll know about any moves after they happen only. 

Edited January 24, 2023 by Boatdrinks

[<bills4life>]

14 minutes ago, RG Murdock said:

Buffalo media is so lazy and inept. Tough questions are NEVER asked. Truly a minor league, likely low paid group. Fans are even worse. When someone does ask relevant, tough questions (Jerry Sullivan) the fans jump on him... Frankly, Sullivan's questions look 100% spot on now!    

The problem is people like to sing “the good ship lollipop”.  Any questioning outside of the herd mentality is met with contempt, disdain, and outright ridicule.  You know the proverbial you’re so negative pessimistic bitter antisocial hater etc…. That most never stop to really think if there is credence to an observation or criticism outside the norm. You know what they say “sometimes the truth hurts”.  Unfortunately like in the movie “a few good men”.  You can’t handle the truth. 

[lookylookyherecomescookie]

1 hour ago, Gregg said:

 If he can only do one thing this offseason, I hope it's the bolded part of your post. Need a better run game and to protect Josh better. Von coming back should improve our pass rush. 

a soon to be 34 year old who relies on speed coming back from a torn acl. How's that gonna work out? (see TreDavious White)

[Scott7975]

1 hour ago, HappyDays said:

Not a good look to use the Bengals' recent failure as an excuse for why they are now better than us. Their free agency spending got them DJ Reader, Trey Hendrickson, Hayden Hurst. Ours got us Mario Addison and Vernon Butler. Beane has to take more accountability. Our lack of difference makers rests entirely on his shoulders.

 

TBF it got us Von Miller.  Just because disaster happened and he went down for the season with an ACL doesnt mean it didnt get us Von Miller.  It may look bad now but at the time it was a good signing and it still can be good next year.

 

The rest of everyones criticism is deserved at least as far as I have read thus far.

Edited January 24, 2023 by Scott7975

[Mango]

9 minutes ago, todd said:

No GM is going to throw anyone under the bus at a press conference. I think inside the walls they know they have a ton of stuff to shore up. McDermott suggested that in his presser. 
 

people here are pissed he’s not screaming and stomping his feet in a press conference. Nor is he going to go into details on plans for improvement. Last year he said there probably would t be big fa signings. Then they signed Bon.

I am actually upset that he didn’t seem in control and that somehow this season just sort of got away from him. Not that there were/are any major issues with the roster/cap.  Like this season and roster just happened to him and other situations/rosters were better based on their luck, and what he did was just fine. 
 

. 

[Nextmanup]

1 hour ago, Logic said:

Beane said that Josh has too many bruises on him, and that it's the only thing he'll criticize Josh for. That he needs to get down more and take less hits.

While Beane isn't wrong, I DO hope he realizes that some of the bruises that Josh has have to do with him constantly running for his life behind a bad pass blocking offensive line. Beane himself can reduce the bruising by, ya know...protecting his franchise quarterback.

If these knuckle heads respond to this butt kicking by emphasizing the defense again, and continue to patch up the cracks on the offensive line with journeyman hires, my head will explode.

 

They just have the wrong philosophy, generally, toward what today's game is.

 

 

[RocCityRoller]

43 minutes ago, mjt328 said:

 

I've been a huge defender of Brandon Beane.  But much of the responsibility for this mess falls on his shoulders.

 

This regime's early drafts (2017-2018) were excellent and set the foundation for us to be one of the NFL's best teams.

But his draft classes have slowly drifted backwards from that point.  2019 was solid, but produced no real difference makers.  2020 was pretty blah, and was only saved by the trade for Stefon Diggs.  2021 got us Groot and a bunch of nothing.  Everyone we got in 2022 spent most of their rookie seasons sitting the bench.

 

Before the season, there was an assumption the Bills had an extremely deep roster.  In reality, our backups just hadn't been tested outside of the few times we saw them in the preseason.  Injuries forced quite a few guys into action this year, and we found out they weren't as good as originally believed.

 

Beane had nothing to do with the 2017 draft. That was all McDermott and Whaley's scouts. Other than getting Allen it was the best draft in the McDermott era, but it was not part of the Beane era and he should get 0 credit for it.