muppy Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 (edited) Meatball is a Lock Kyle Williams has it ALL PLUS Longevity. No Brainer Butch Byrd is an inspired Great choice from those who remember him from back in the day. Those 2 for sure. The wall better not run out of space for all the folks that will end up Belonging! m Edited January 13, 2023 by muppy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 Nobody. Make it an honor for cripes sake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YattaOkasan Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 Butch Byrd should be in every post. I can’t entertain anyone. Dude is still our interception leader with 40. 5 time all star! Love a lot of the other names I’m hearing but they haven’t accomplished nearly as much as butch. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRH Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 (edited) The drought happened because our players weren’t very good. I’m not sure there’s an argument to put any of them on the Wall, even though we fondly remember the few who stood out. The players up there now (with the exception of Bob Kalsu, of course) were either part of great teams or put up eye-popping numbers, or both. Byrd should be up there; that’s a terrible oversight. But nobody from the drought era stood out like he did. After that, I’m good with waiting until it’s time to honor the current crop. To add: Moulds was a very good player. But to me he was part of the decline of our franchise after the mid-to-late ‘90s. Same with Ruben Brown. For the most part, the playoff games I remember them playing in were wrenching losses. Edited January 13, 2023 by BRH 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Caveman Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 I agree that Kyle and Fred should probably be there. I think I had heard / read that they may do some kind of area inside the stadium honoring former players (I was imagining something like monument park at Yankee stadium) - I wonder if that will replace the wall of fame or if it will be in addition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRH Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 3 minutes ago, Captain Caveman said: I agree that Kyle and Fred should probably be there. I think I had heard / read that they may do some kind of area inside the stadium honoring former players (I was imagining something like monument park at Yankee stadium) - I wonder if that will replace the wall of fame or if it will be in addition. That’s a good question. Wall space is expensive these days. That’s prime advertising space so I wouldn’t be surprised if they replaced it with something else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 A Bills HoF onsite instead of the Wall, would be the preferred solution, but does Pegula want to pay for it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtVandalay Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 1 hour ago, EasternOHBillsFan said: Eric Moulds is THE BEST BILL I have seen play not to be on that wall, period. He should be duly honored as he will never don a gold jacket for the NFL HOF because of the chronic inability of the organization to get a quarterback worth a damn. I'm all aboard the Moulds train at this point. Watching old highlights of him is insane dude looks like a TE. He was always big but going back and rewatching him is a trip. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 6 minutes ago, ArtVandalay said: Watching old highlights of him is insane dude looks like a TE. He was always big but going back and rewatching him is a trip. Sometimes I daydream about him being on this current Bills team. Or Lee Evans. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EasternOHBillsFan Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 4 minutes ago, ArtVandalay said: Watching old highlights of him is insane dude looks like a TE. He was always big but going back and rewatching him is a trip. For sure... those days were rough for the most part. We got a half-life version of Drew Bledsoe and a lot of crap... and there are a lot of Bills fans out there now who didn't live that experience. I'm extremely grateful for what we have now, unlike in the 90s when having seasons like this year's were routine and I was much younger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draconator Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 5 hours ago, without a drought said: I don't see anything happening till the new stadium is built. Was just going to say that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBear Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 2 hours ago, ToGoGo said: What's wrong with you people? Have you forgotten how important Fred Jackson was? He should've been up there yesterday. Great person and great story, but he's merely a good player. Let's reserve the Wall for the franchise greats. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsGospel2014 Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 I'm really surprised Aaron Schobel isn't on there already, he was a bright light in a dark tunnel back in the days where the Bills were almost unwatchable at times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SageAgainstTheMachine Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 I think it's fine that not many drought era players should be remembered in such a way. I feel we're experiencing a weird nostalgia for those days now (lower expecations, more fun?) but it was miserable. That said, the greatest player of that generation was Kyle Williams and his face is also the enduring image of the drought being broken so he belongs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 7 hours ago, Gugny said: I have been beating the Schobel drum for years and will continue to. Nine seasons with the Bills ... the only team he played for. In eight of those seasons, he played all 16 games. Second most sacks in Bills history (78). I think he has earned his spot. Schobel is a pretty private person and has disappeared from the public eye. I honestly wonder if he would want the honor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 3 hours ago, ToGoGo said: What's wrong with you people? Have you forgotten how important Fred Jackson was? He should've been up there yesterday. Look, I love Fred, but he was a popular player on a bad team. What about Brian Moorman? He was arguably as important. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Jack Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 1 hour ago, BUFFALOBART said: Byrd is now 81 years old. Ralph even told him, that he would be 'up there'. It's time, to honor the man.. I wasn't referring to Byrd, it was a comment on OJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holla83 Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 13 hours ago, HardyBoy said: Mounds isn’t drought era though is he? The majority of Moulds' career was during the drought. He was a part of 3 playoff teams in 96, 98, and 99. He was on the Bills through the 2005 season so he was there for a good chunk of the drought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 There’s only so much space. When it’s all said and done, Josh and Diggs will be up there in 15-20 years. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 14 hours ago, Gugny said: I have been beating the Schobel drum for years and will continue to. Nine seasons with the Bills ... the only team he played for. In eight of those seasons, he played all 16 games. Second most sacks in Bills history (78). I think he has earned his spot. For years he was the only good pass rusher on the team, and he was VERY good. He followed Bruce Smith so many folks expected another all time great. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwater10 Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 12 hours ago, TheBrownBear said: As much as I love guys like Fred Jackson and Kyle Williams, they were never all-pro types and only have a single playoff appearance between them. Not WOF worthy I agree completely on Fred. Great guy, important player for the team, but not Wall of Fame worthy. However, I think Kyle definitely deserves to be on the wall. From his Wikipedia page: "At the time of his retirement, Williams ranked fifth in Bills history in tackles and sacks (first overall in sacks among defensive tackles), and made six Pro Bowls. He was described by the Associated Press as "the heart and soul" of the Bills during his time there." That qualifies in my book. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 - Butch Byrd (interceptions leader, 5 pro bowls, 3 all-pros) - Kyle Williams (6 pro bowls) - Rueben Brown (8 pro bowls) - Fred Smerlas (5 pro bowls, 1 all-pro) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark92 Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 Kyle Williams all day long. I have signed Jim Kelly, Thurman Thomas and Andre Reed Footballs but my most prized Bills memorabilia possession is a game issued autographed Kyle Williams Jersey. That man embodies everything it means to be a Buffalo Bill. Get him on the wall. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ned Flanders Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 15 hours ago, Roundybout said: He's third in team history in rushing yards with 5,646, behind Thurman (11,938) and OJ (10,183) and fifth in rushing touchdowns with 30, behind Cookie (31), Josh (38), OJ (57) and Thurman (65). Given how people loved him and how much he loved the team, I think he's a good candidate for the wall. More than loving the team, he loved the community. "Jackson spends much of his time participating in community service, and is an advocate for the Food Bank of WNY. The NFL running back is also a spokesman for the United Way, the Billieve campaign for breast-cancer awareness and NFL Play 60 for youth exercise." https://nfl-pe.azurewebsites.net/prep/articles/buffalo-bills-fred-jackson-honored-by-the-jefferson-awards-foundation/ Also a multiple Buffalo Bills Man of the Year award recipient: https://www.buffalobills.com/news/fred-jackson-named-2014-bills-walter-payton-man-of-the-year-14548128 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May Day 10 Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 I think Kyle Williams and probably Ruben Brown. I get the case for Schoebel. I would like to see Kyle soon, so he can be honored in front of active players who were once his teammates. Gotta save room and keep the bar high for this current generation. We have Allen, Diggs, Dawkins, Hyde?, Poyer?, Milano? Knox? McDermott, Tre? and hopefully another decade of contributors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDingus Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 Ruben Brown wasn't really Super Bowl era, but he definitely deserves the WoF honors. I'd personally like to see Eric Moulds, and Kyle Williams definitely deserves it. Wish Freddy had the numbers, as he's the kind of guy the entire fanbase loved. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billzgobowlin Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 Generally my thought is these recognitions come in years that you want to get the fans excited. Look at the Steelers with Franco this year for example. Hopefully we don't have anyone on the wall for a while for that reason Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 Byrd, Brown, Williams Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cash Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 2 hours ago, cwater10 said: I agree completely on Fred. Great guy, important player for the team, but not Wall of Fame worthy. However, I think Kyle definitely deserves to be on the wall. From his Wikipedia page: "At the time of his retirement, Williams ranked fifth in Bills history in tackles and sacks (first overall in sacks among defensive tackles), and made six Pro Bowls. He was described by the Associated Press as "the heart and soul" of the Bills during his time there." That qualifies in my book. Agreed. Love Freddie, but I’m not sure if he’s quite at the level of WoF. Kyle Williams deserves it though. Also agreed with the other posters on Schobel. Dude was real good for an extended time, and would’ve been a big star if his teams were at all relevant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lofton80 Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 I put Ruben Brown, Byrd and Schobel 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 20 hours ago, Gugny said: I have been beating the Schobel drum for years and will continue to. Nine seasons with the Bills ... the only team he played for. In eight of those seasons, he played all 16 games. Second most sacks in Bills history (78). I think he has earned his spot. those sacks were all in garbage time. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 1 hour ago, BullBuchanan said: those sacks were all in garbage time. Of course they were. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JÂy RÛßeÒ Posted January 13, 2023 Author Share Posted January 13, 2023 1 hour ago, BullBuchanan said: those sacks were all in garbage time. ...another term for The Drought Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 22 hours ago, JÂy RÛßeÒ said: Since the passing of Ralph Wilson in 2014, they've only honored the 2 individuals who were left off it by him: 2015 Lou Saban 2017 Cookie Gilchrist Are we done with the "Super Bowl" era? Cornelius Bennett? James Lofton? Ruben Brown? Eric Moulds? Is any player from the drought era worthy? Kyle Williams? Fred Jackson? Brian Moorman? Aaron Schobel? Eric Wood? Brown, Kyle and Schobel would be the ones I'd vote to go up based on longevity with us/performance. 1 hour ago, BullBuchanan said: those sacks were all in garbage time. Unlike Bruce whom I sure never benefitted getting sacks when our offense had us up 21 points early/late in games? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBills_88 Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 The City of Buffalo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 22 hours ago, 4merper4mer said: Butch Byrd Absolutely. Robert James was a very good Bills CB but Byrd was much better and deserves the recognition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDingus Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 5 hours ago, Lofton80 said: I put Ruben Brown, Byrd and Schobel I like Byrd, but I dunno... He had some great numbers while here (still remember 9 INT's his rookie season), but is 5 years enough time? Schobel was pretty good, played all 9 seasons with the Bills, but not sure his achievements stand out enough. 2x Pro Bowler, 1x Second-Team All-Pro, 4 seasons with 10+ sacks... Again, pretty good, but not sure WoF good. Then again, he was one of the drought's few bright spots, so beggars can't be choosers 😅 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanjf Posted January 14, 2023 Share Posted January 14, 2023 Vontae Davis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain_Quint Posted January 14, 2023 Share Posted January 14, 2023 12 hours ago, cwater10 said: I agree completely on Fred. Great guy, important player for the team, but not Wall of Fame worthy. However, I think Kyle definitely deserves to be on the wall. From his Wikipedia page: "At the time of his retirement, Williams ranked fifth in Bills history in tackles and sacks (first overall in sacks among defensive tackles), and made six Pro Bowls. He was described by the Associated Press as "the heart and soul" of the Bills during his time there." That qualifies in my book. 2nd team all pro in 2010 as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted January 14, 2023 Share Posted January 14, 2023 On 1/12/2023 at 4:00 PM, JÂy RÛßeÒ said: Since the passing of Ralph Wilson in 2014, they've only honored the 2 individuals who were left off it by him: 2015 Lou Saban 2017 Cookie Gilchrist Are we done with the "Super Bowl" era? Cornelius Bennett? James Lofton? Ruben Brown? Eric Moulds? Is any player from the drought era worthy? Kyle Williams? Fred Jackson? Brian Moorman? Aaron Schobel? Eric Wood? as a generalization.....anyone who has made 3 or more pro bowls as a bill is a YES bennett absolutely YES brown absolutely YES kyle absolutely YES moulds YES moorman YES james lofton.....not here long enough fred jax not until all those YES's are on schobel after fred wood after schobel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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