Damar Hamlin - Now (1/11/2023) discharged from Buf Gen & “recovering at home”

[K-9]

4 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

Agree. I don't even care about football right now. I wouldn't care if the Bills don't take the field again this year.

 

I can't believe I just typed that but it's the truth.

I think a lot of us feel the same way. I honestly don’t care if they play or not; the game has lost all importance to me and I think it is a perfectly understandable reaction after seeing an unprecedented event unfold on the field like it did. I feel for everyone involved. You just can’t process seeing your teammate being administered CPR on the field so quickly. I suspect the trauma will linger for a while as they work thru it.

 

Hearing that Damar is ok and his prognosis is good would he a great first step in the process. 

[Brand J]

1 minute ago, UKBillFan said:

Though neither Favre’s father or Knox’s brother were taken playing football. Hamlin was taken severely ill/injured whilst playing the game. There will be an element of “but for the Grace of God…” for at least some time, every time a team mate is hit, every time someone stays down.

Hamlin is still alive and hopefully pulls through. The other two lost their family member. Can’t believe you’d suggest one is easier to accept than the other.

[JGMcD2]

3 minutes ago, JayBaller10 said:

Everyone processes grief differently. Remember Favre playing after his father died? Dawson Knox this season after losing his brother? Not playing may make it worse because all you have is time to dwell on it. 

I get what you’re saying… but this is quite different. His teammates and coaches watched him receive CPR on the field and he’s fighting for his life. 
 

It’s not 1 person processing their grief. 53+ players and an entire staff have to process this grief… and if they even want to step on the field again. Rightfully so. 

 

[Beast]

2 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

I would not be surprised if the Bills are done playing this year. Nobody cares about that right now. 

That isn’t going to happen. They will be taking the field again.

Edited January 3, 2023 by Beast

[ngbills]

Obviously Damar Hamlin's health is what is most important. That is all that matters right now. But let's stop with anything else, especially the I am happy with an L in this game and who cares about the super bowl, and all that. Even worse case scenario here you dont blow it all up. In tragedy you bond together and fight with your brothers. 

[Big Turk]

2 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

but why does the score after 1 drive each matter at all? You say it has to but I think the more compelling argument is that it’s totally meaningless 

 

Same way a baseball game isn't official until a certain number of innings is played, pretty sure the NFL would not consider the score after 1 drive to be meaningful.

 

But at the end of the day. I could care less about what happens with that. The only concern at this point is that Hamlin is OK.

Edited January 3, 2023 by Big Turk

[Draconator]

 

[Process]

 

[SydneyBillsFan]

On CNN, Dr. Leana Wen said that the fact he received CPR and defribiliation very quickly after the incident gives her hope.

 

However, she also said that she anticipated a possibly long recovery period due to the damage caused to other vital organs while blood flow was potentially compromised. 

[ngbills]

Just now, Beast said:

That isn’t going to happen. They will be takin* 5he field again.

You get through whatever happens here and move on. You have no other choice. 

[HaldimandBills]

4 minutes ago, Engelwood said:

It still hands the Chiefs the #1. 

 

Good. Give it to them. No Buffalo Bills fan whose ever experienced true loss or pain gives two you know what's right now if the Chiefs walk away with 1st place in the AFC after tonight. 

 

Damar Hamlin and his family is all anyone should be concerned about.

[TheBrownBear]

1 minute ago, LABILLBACKER said:

That's how I feel too

I think we all feel that way right now, but given the recent word that his vitals are stable, I truly believe Damar will bounce back and will want his brothers to see this through for him, and we will be right there cheering them on.  It was a completely freak accident that we witnessed. Thank God there was great medical help immediately available there on the field to ensure the best outcome possible. 

[HappyDays]

13 minutes ago, What a Tuel said:

 

If it eases your concern, there is precedent for large influxes like this to then be handled properly in new ways while still being committed to the core purpose. 

 

It isn't all going to just be dumped on Kelly and Nina's Daycare Center to buy millions of dollars in toys for kids.

 

It never crossed my mind that anything else would happen. Go Fund Me isn't a fly by night company. They're run by good people. They publicly endorsed the charity on their own social media pages. The money will get used in a way that is helpful for the spirit of the organization. Do people really think the money will just be unceremoniously dumped on a random toy drive organization in Pennsylvania?

[Locomark]

48 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

Very unlikely.  This is classic cardiac arrhythmia from blunt chest trauma.  Just bad luck.  The intubation is just to control the airway and is part of a prolonged resuscitation.  

Look at the replay. He got hit in the throat / neck area not the chest. Not saying you are wrong but look at what he got hit. My explanation makes perfect sense based on the location of the hit. Rupture or clock the airway would allow the air in your lounge enough air for you to stand and move a big before you pass out. Then lack of more oxygen flow would give you cardiac arrest. So they would need to get you airflow first and then cpr. We’ll see what they say but the hit location was not the chest or you would think we would be seeing them all the time. 

[ehfeuh57]

5 minutes ago, JayBaller10 said:

Everyone processes grief differently. Remember Favre playing after his father died? Dawson Knox this season after losing his brother? Not playing may make it worse because all you have is time to dwell on it. 

 

Yes, I saw it as he was making a rhetorical point.

 

The games will be rescheduled and the players can either forfeit or rally. But still, both would be understandable.

[Big Turk]

1 minute ago, Beast said:

That isn’t going to happen. They will be taking the field again.

 

I don't think there is anyone who knows what is or isn't going to happen at this point. And if they do, what players decide they can't play anymore this year.

[What a Tuel]

1 minute ago, HappyDays said:

It never crossed my mind that anything else would happen. Go Fund Me isn't a fly by night company. They're run by good people. They publicly endorsed the charity on their own social media pages. The money will get used in a way that is helpful for the spirit of the organization. Do people really think the money will just be unceremoniously dumped on a random toy drive organization in Pennsylvania?

 

I think people are slightly concerned its an enormous amount of money that may go to a cause that doesn't need an enormous amount of money and that if Hamlin were able to direct it to something else, he might. But as you say, it will surely be put to good use.

[CorkScrewHill]

Just now, JGMcD2 said:

I get what you’re saying… but this is quite different. His teammates and coaches watched him receive CPR on the field and he’s fighting for his life. 
 

It’s not 1 person processing their grief. 53+ players and an entire staff have to process this grief… and if they even want to step on the field again. Rightfully so. 

 

I think this is why it was so shocking for the players and the announcers. They have seen players with serious injuries, even career ending injuries, but to see someone receiving CPR and having medical personnel using a defibrillator on the field .. that they have never seen and that is what I think truly is the difference. They all realized this was life and death.

[Governor]

5 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

but why does the score after 1 drive each matter at all? You say it has to but I think the more compelling argument is that it’s totally meaningless 

McD will do the right thing and insist on the forfeit. You can’t punish the other team.

[UKBillFan]

5 minutes ago, JayBaller10 said:

Hamlin is still alive and hopefully pulls through. The other two lost their family member. Can’t believe you’d suggest one is easier to accept than the other.

I’d argue it is in a sense, although it depends on the individual as well. But playing football - or any activity - can serve as a distraction from grief when it has occurred elsewhere. But, in Damar’s case, the football field is where it happened. Someone gets tackled - does he get up? If he does, will he fall down straight away again? Is he really ok? Or how about, if it happened to Damar, could it happen to them too? Even though it is probably a one in a billion occurrence. 
 

Going out on the field will not be easy in terms of mindset, especially for either the Bengals or Bills. That could be best, for that reason, that their next game is against each other.

Edited January 3, 2023 by UKBillFan

[Beast]

2 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

I don't think there is anyone who knows what is or isn't going to happen at this point. And if they do, what players decide they can't play anymore this year.

I’m sorry but I’m not going to argue with you and this will be my last post on this subject but the Bills will play again this year. Unfortunately, this is not unprecedented. Serious injuries and deaths have occurred in all sports and teams lace them back up. Loyola Marymount, NASCAR, the NFL, even the NHL. 

Edited January 3, 2023 by Beast

[Mango]

6 minutes ago, NUT said:

Agreed. I think McDermott and Pegula would be fine just taking an L. I think the Bills players and coaches are just not going to be at all interested in making up this game.

I have no interest in making this game up. They could not show up for the Pats, I don’t care honestly. 

[SDS]

4 minutes ago, Locomark said:

Look at the replay. He got hit in the throat / neck area not the chest. Not saying you are wrong but look at what he got hit. My explanation makes perfect sense based on the location of the hit. Rupture or clock the airway would allow the air in your lounge enough air for you to stand and move a big before you pass out. Then lack of more oxygen flow would give you cardiac arrest. So they would need to get you airflow first and then cpr. We’ll see what they say but the hit location was not the chest or you would think we would be seeing them all the time. 

Square in the chest.

[Donuts and Doritos]

12 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

Agree. I don't even care about football right now. I wouldn't care if the Bills don't take the field again this year.

 

I can't believe I just typed that but it's the truth.

 

100% with you  I was stunned & in shock sitting in the stands seeing pieces of his uniform and equipment getting thrown to the side as you could see them run & frantically perform CPR for what seemed like forever & a defibrillator being put back in the ambulance, then holding your breath waiting to see if they could even get him breathing enough to get him in the ambulance. I actually thought Oh My God he might not make it off the field. Then seeing the ambulance leave. I don't know if I can watch another game this year, so I don't know how those guys can take the field to play again this year. That was devastating to witness.

[Dr.Sack]

I love all of you in this Bills forum. It’s been an honor chatting with you all. 

[AuntieEm]

26 minutes ago, Dr.Sack said:

I can’t sleep until I know Damar Hamlin is gonna be okay. 

 

  Doubt they will know much for awhile.  There may have been some damage to parts of his brain when he had trouble breathing.  All depends how effective the cpr was to keep oxygen supplied to his brain.  Likely some damage  but there is alot of redundant areas of the brain that may not cause any difficulty in a full recovery.  It depends on what part of brain was affected.  I had a stroke over 31 years ago and I lost the mobility of my left side  but I never lost my sense of touch so technically was paralyzed but I never considered myself as such.  I regained use of my left side through therapy and rehab.  I have no unexplainable gaps in my memories or things I've learned prior to my stroke, though if I had lost some memories I wouldn't know they were missing.  

    

    So I truly pray that any damage that may have occurred happened to an area that his brain still hadn't been using or held no vital memories that the young man has.  If he simply loses some knowledge how to do things those can be relearned and basically a setback but not devastating like forgetting who loved ones are or memories that cannot be restored.  So my prayers are he has all the abilities and memories he had before this injury.  

 

 

  

 

 

[RyanC883]

2 minutes ago, Locomark said:

Look at the replay. He got hit in the throat / neck area not the chest. Not saying you are wrong but look at what he got hit. My explanation makes perfect sense based on the location of the hit. Rupture or clock the airway would allow the air in your lounge enough air for you to stand and move a big before you pass out. Then lack of more oxygen flow would give you cardiac arrest. So they would need to get you airflow first and then cpr. We’ll see what they say but the hit location was not the chest or you would think we would be seeing them all the time. 

 

interesting civilized discussion here, so thanks to you both.  Good points in both places.  I do know that sports like lacrosse have made equipment stronger to protect heart issues from trauma, but at the same time the sequence of events with standing up, etc, I’m not sure is indicative of that.  

[HappyDays]

1 minute ago, What a Tuel said:

 

I think people are slightly concerned its an enormous amount of money that may go to a cause that doesn't need an enormous amount of money and that if Hamlin were able to direct it to something else, he might. But as you say, it will surely be put to good use.

 

I trust in the good of people in cases like this. Go Fund Me is as legit it gets. I believe without any doubt that all of the money will be used appropriately. I never would have considered otherwise. If someone would prefer to wait to donate that's fine, but capturing people's generosity at a unique tragic moment like this can not in any way be construed negatively.

[chongli]

9 minutes ago, Locomark said:

Alaina Getzenberger from ESPN just tweeted at 12:26 the Bills are flying home tonight with some players staying behind to be with Damar. Looks like they will be no game this week. 

 

 

[steven50]

I don't think I have ever seen a team go through all things the Bills have had to deal with this year. Between blizzards, star players with injuries out for extended periods and now this.

 

No can say these guys are not tough.

[djp14150]

3 minutes ago, DrDare said:

 

Yes, I saw it as he was making a rhetorical point.

 

The games will be rescheduled and the players can either forfeit or rally. But still, both would be understandable.

How exactly with a week left that does not affect playoff games?

 

if they play Wednesday/ Thursday they can’t play Sunday which then can cause problems in competitive balance.

[jrb2590]

there’s no good answer but coin flip (add in a 1/100 odds for a tie) may be what’s most fair. would be surprised if this game gets played

[Big Turk]

2 minutes ago, NUT said:

It might not just be Bills players who decide they are done.

 

My thoughts as well...this could reverberate through the entire NFL, CFL, college and high school ranks.

[SDS]

1 minute ago, redtail hawk said:

looks like he took it down.  What was he speculating?

I just watched the YouTube video again. It’s up just fine.

[NoSaint]

3 minutes ago, Governor said:

McD will do the right thing and insist on the forfeit. You can’t punish the other team.

That’s a made up and arbitrary standard in your own head

[appoo]

 

[HaldimandBills]

1 minute ago, Governor said:

McD will do the right thing and insist on the forfeit. You can’t punish the other team.

 

As he should. For the mental well being of the Bills. 

 

 

[RyanC883]

3 minutes ago, Governor said:

McD will do the right thing and insist on the forfeit. You can’t punish the other team.

 

If it’s not played I think it goes as a tie or something.  That freak hit which never happened before in the NFL could have happened at any point to any player/team.  

 

 

[Nitro]

Just now, steven50 said:

I don't think I have ever seen a team go through all things the Bills have had to deal with this year. Between blizzards, star players with injuries out for extended periods and now this.

 

No can say these guys are not tough.

So much adversity.  They have to have over come so many obstacles.  If they do win the Super Bowl, they will have truly earned it 

[Mango]

1 minute ago, NUT said:

Well, I do think they show up for the Pat's game, but I would bet some players would opt out.

If the Bills take an L, I think they’re basically locked into the 3 seed. The Pats game is meaningless.