Damar Hamlin - Now (1/11/2023) discharged from Buf Gen & “recovering at home”

[The Firebaugh Kid]

Ryan Clark for commissioner ❤️

[Big Turk]

1 minute ago, Success said:

I've always liked Ryan Clark - but this has been his best moment.  Just straight from the heart.  I'm still kind of crying & feeling devastated, and it's comforting.

 

 

Tomlin refused to allow Clark to play anymore and basically forced him to retire because he couldn't live with himself if something were to happen even after doctors tried to clear him and Clark said he wanted to play.

[NoSaint]

4 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

As backwards as it sounds, odds are those guys knew more and sooner than the “powers that be”

 

we will see what unfolds 

Edited January 3, 2023 by NoSaint

[Buffalo_Stampede]

Dane Jackson was the 1st player on the field to see Hamlin collapse. He’s Hamlin’s best friend. He was also taken to the hospital in an ambulance after a hit this season.

 

I can’t even imagine. 

[Starr Almighty]

40 minutes ago, ganesh said:

It is really tough. All 3 are in a shock state. This is unprecedented.  Words are hard to come 

Adam had tears in his eyes and looked very uncomfortable the entire time. I think if he could of ran away he would of

[aceman_16]

My wife and I are back to the  hotel from the game. I am trying to sleep but damn....I can't. Love and hold what matters to you. Stay strong.

[Nextmanup]

1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Which, good on them, but the league should have stepped in. Shame on them for leaving it to people on the ground where the emotion is most raw to do the decent thing.

The league didn't leave it to them.

The league's response was to resume the game after a 5 minute delay.

 

Not sure how closely you are following this on ESPN but this point is fairly clear from the reporting there.

 

The players/teams/coaches then told the league "NO, we are not playing again tonight."

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

1 minute ago, Big Turk said:

 

Wow...the NFL and Goodell should be ashamed of themselves and the owners should remove him ASAP 

to be honest, i give the NFL a bit of a pass.  Probably messed up. But I am also not sure they had all the info and I think as the seriousness escalated, they figured it out. In these crisis situations, communication mistakes are often made as information is discovered. 

[Simon]

Just now, Billznut said:

And this is what most of us have been saying about the NFL the past two hours. Still those here defending the NFL. The NFL wanted to play tonight. F them. 

You have no idea who wanted or didn't want to do what.

[Chicken Boo]

7 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said:

It was McDermott’s reaction for me. He’s always so calm no matter the situation.

 

He was visibly distraught. 

 

Same.  Pretty sure I saw him saying a prayer to himself before they cut to a teary-eyed Josh.   

 

That's when the gravity of the situation hit me.

[UKBillFan]

The BBC have quoted Jordan Rooney's tweet in an article. They're normally very careful about checking sources before publishing.

 

[WMDman]

***** godell

[Engelwood]

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

3 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

maybe. 
 

but while the first 30 mins seemed like an eternity for us- the guys at the league office (many of whom were likely at home) trying to coordinate with the nflpa, coaches, officials, medics, stadium personnel, ESPN, etc… probably barely remember it from the number of conversations they were coordinating with little to no info. Emergency response is imperfect, and most likely had no idea what they were dealing with until the moment you and I did. We just watched a terrible situation unfold in real time on tv and short of a headline that the league office was inappropriately pushing til the last minute, I don’t see the upside in vilifying them.

The reports of ‘the coaches/players had to stop the nfl from continuing the game’ seem to be slowly transitioning from rumor towards fact.  I take reporters on twitter with a grain of salt but there are a lot of them claiming they have sources indicating that is the case. 
 

definitely can’t claim it’s a fact yet though and everything does tend to get exaggerated in the moment 

Edited January 3, 2023 by Generic_Bills_Fan

[TheBrownBear]

1 minute ago, The Firebaugh Kid said:

Ryan Clark for commissioner ❤️

He and AVP doing a great job.  Comforting watching those fellas.

[jethro_tull]

im not agreeing with everyone breaking bad on the nfl, they were not up close to the situation to know how seriuos it was.  

if goddell was in the stands would he have said the teams have 5 minutes to get it together? hail no.  

[nbbillsfan]

2 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

That is a very bad look for the NFL

I really hope that the NFL was waiting on more info, and would have continued to delay before ultimately canceling the game.  Still completely unacceptable and disgusting.

[Rochesterfan]

23 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

they are also the only ones who actually have to make the call and send logistics through a full chain of people for approval and execution in real time.

 

”hey let them stretch while we get real time updates” isn’t crazy. Hell, goodell knew less than the coaches in that moment. 
 

the nfl made the right call tonight, even if not movie script perfect in getting there. It’s easy to want to be angry at someone but no one truly did anything wrong tonight it seems. 

 

Exactly Correct - wish I could like this x 1000.

 

Real time the NFL doesn’t have all the facts - the standard after this is to give the players 5 minutes and the coaches and Referees realized that was not going to happen.

 

The game was officially called at 10:01, but they showed stuff at 9:30 to 9:45 that players were changing at that point they knew the game was done well before it was announced.

 

You can be ticked at the NFL, but they worked with the team as they should and they made the correct call.  
 

People want to lay blame, but the truth is they got it right and the coaches and teams directed the decision as they should.

 

 

[HalftimeAdjustment]

1 minute ago, Starr Almighty said:

Adam had tears in his eyes and looked very uncomfortable the entire time. I think if he could of ran away he would of

 

I would give all of the ESPN announcers a pass. They did what they could. They did not have a choice about staying on the air.

[appoo]

1 minute ago, The Firebaugh Kid said:

Ryan Clark for commissioner ❤️

Needs to be player and coach voted. Can’t be a freakin suit like Goodell

[JimBob2232]

Just now, UKBillFan said:

The BBC have quoted Jordan Rooney's tweet in an article. They're normally very careful about checking sources before publishing.

 

Seems legit. Lots of big time people retweeting it.  Looks like Jordan is hamlins  and marketing agent. 

[BillsFanSD]

1 minute ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

to be honest, i give the NFL a bit of a pass.  Probably messed up. But I am also not sure they had all the info and I think as the seriousness escalated, they figured it out. In these crisis situations, communication mistakes are often made as information is discovered. 

Agreed.  The bottom line is that everybody landed on the right decision within 45 minutes or so.  That's actually pretty good.

[Bill Grundy]

2 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

to be honest, i give the NFL a bit of a pass.  Probably messed up. But I am also not sure they had all the info and I think as the seriousness escalated, they figured it out. In these crisis situations, communication mistakes are often made as information is discovered. 

They didn't make them play the game. 

 

At the end of the day that's what counts.

[Big Turk]

I would not be surprised to see retirements coming from this across the NFL by the end of the week. There are players that are already on the fence and that just pushed them over it I'm willing to bet.

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

Just now, BillsFanSD said:

Agreed.  The bottom line is that everybody landed on the right decision within 45 minutes or so.  That's actually pretty good.

well said. 

[Success]

1 minute ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

to be honest, i give the NFL a bit of a pass.  Probably messed up. But I am also not sure they had all the info and I think as the seriousness escalated, they figured it out. In these crisis situations, communication mistakes are often made as information is discovered. 

 

I kind of feel the same way. Those guys always put the dollar first, so they're easy to criticize. But I had my own denial about the situation tonight, for awhile.  I kept thinking he'd pop back up, and then I thought we'd see one of those "thumbs up" signs if he was carted off or something.

 

It really took me awhile to grasp how bad this is, even after seeing some of the players looking pretty shaken up.  

[JGMcD2]

1 minute ago, Chicken Boo said:

 

Same.  Pretty sure I saw him saying a prayer to himself before they cut to a teary-eyed Josh.   

 

That's when the gravity of the situation hit me.

It just looked like “Lord, please let him be ok” over and over and over. I can’t even imagine being down there. 

 

He managed to get them all together after that for a prayer. 

[Nextmanup]

1 minute ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

to be honest, i give the NFL a bit of a pass.  Probably messed up. But I am also not sure they had all the info and I think as the seriousness escalated, they figured it out. In these crisis situations, communication mistakes are often made as information is discovered. 

How many times have we watched players stretchered off the field only to have the game resumed in a minute or two?  Not sure why people are so hard on the league here; I guess because it's a Bill.

 

Christ, when Ryan Shaziar had his career ended, he was carted off the field unable to move his body from neck down.

The game resumed in a few minutes.

 

 

[UKBillFan]

Just now, Big Turk said:

I would not be surprised to see retirements coming from this across the NFL by the end of the week. There are players that are already on the fence and that just pushed them over it I'm willing to bet.

 

Or, as Tomlin did with Clark, coaches pushing certain players into retirement.

[Beck Water]

1 hour ago, North Buffalo said:

I am currently working CT in an ER ... head injuries/CPR/AED usage are critical... that there is a pulse is a good thing... could be anything all we can do is pray and let the medical professionals do their thing... 

 

Yes.  Pulse is good.  Pulse is way better than no pulse.

[The Frankish Reich]

Just now, Billznut said:

And this is what most of us have been saying about the NFL the past two hours. Still those here defending the NFL. The NFL wanted to play tonight. F them. 

True. I'll just say that there's no protocol for this. It's a violent game of high speed collisions between big athletic young men, and thank God this particular circumstance has never arisen before. So it's fair to criticize, but I'm not interested in creating villains here out of what was a horrible accident. At some later point it's time to have a discussion again about player safety and whether simple tweaks to the rules are enough. We've seen a few really shocking injuries on the field this year and I'm starting to wonder whether this sport is just unavoidably unsafe at the professional level.

[Chicken Boo]

1 minute ago, Warcodered said:

Not for nothing but the gofundme for the toy drive Hamlin supports https://www.gofundme.com/f/mxksc-the-chasing-ms-foundation-community-toy-drive

 

according to Tom Grossi a Packers fan on YouTube who was livestreaming the game has gone from around $12,000 to right now to over $800,000

 

So that's nice.

 

Things like this give me hope for humanity. 

 

 

I've been getting choked up all night.

 

[aristocrat]

 

[HurlyBurly51]

12 minutes ago, Simon said:

 

That's a direct quote from his rep

WOW!  I'm sorry but being "put to sleep" seems an inappropriate choice of words in this situation, regardless of where it came from.

[Reed83HOF]

 

[AlCowlingsTaxiService]

6 minutes ago, Simon said:

 

Nobody has any idea whether this is even true

No, but people are hungry to find villains in every situation … it’s part of the problem with society today 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

3 minutes ago, jethro_tull said:

im not agreeing with everyone breaking bad on the nfl, they were not up close to the situation to know how seriuos it was.  

if goddell was in the stands would he have said the teams have 5 minutes to get it together? hail no.  

It might not be as bad as some are making it sound,  but the head office absolutely was consulted and told the player was down on the field getting cpr and it took them quite a bit of time to call the game at best (for the nfl). 
 

They still come out looking pretty bad even with maximum benefit of the doubt imo 

Edited January 3, 2023 by Generic_Bills_Fan

[balln]

5 minutes ago, prissythecat said:

Would cpr be effective in the case of an aortic rupture/dissection.

No. It’s lethal. 

[Dick_Cheney]

Bills are flying home. 

[UKBillFan]

1 minute ago, Nextmanup said:

How many times have we watched players stretchered off the field only to have the game resumed in a minute or two?  Not sure why people are so hard on the league here; I guess because it's a Bill.

 

Christ, when Ryan Shaziar had his career ended, he was carted off the field unable to move his body from neck down.

The game resumed in a few minutes.

 

 

 

I've been on a few a other fans forums - it's not just some Bills fans who are fuming at the NFL right now.

Edited January 3, 2023 by UKBillFan