Would you consider the Boogie Basham pick to be a disappointment?

[Mark Vader]

1 hour ago, JohnNord said:

I re-watched the Bills/Bears game the other day and noticed a few nice reps from Kingsley Jonathan against a bad OL.  It was impressive to see a guy off the PS flash a bit in his limited opportunities.  He was activated because Boogie Basham was injured and there was basically no drop off between an undrafted DE who bounced between PS’s and a 2nd round draft pick.

 

In my opinion, the selection of Boogie Basham pick is looking very underwhelming. I’m pretty sure the idea that like Rosseau, the idea was to give him a “redshirt” season to learn from vets like Jerry Hughes and Mario Addison to get him ready to contribute in year 2.  The idea was good but the execution was poor.  
 

But after 1 season, Basham was not ready to contribute or to start and the team ended up sinking major assets for another DE in Von Miller.  

I’m kind of wondering why they selected Basham from the start.  Pre-draft one of the things that made him appealing was his ability to be a hybrid DE/DT.  He was supposed to be “pro-ready” and not a project like Rosseau. Yet the Bills had him drop a bunch of weight to be a faster edge rusher which never was his forte.  Essentially making him a project DE.  
 

The returns of the 2nd draft pick is a rotational player who gives you the same production as a replacement level player.  

I guess there’s a chance he can improve a little bit like AJ Epinesa, but when you have street free agents like Shaq Lawson or undrafted practice squad players like Jonathan outplaying you, it’s hard to feel optimistic that a jump is coming in year 3.

To answer your main question, I would say that I am underwhelmed by Basham, but I wouldn't just give up on him, which I'm sure many people on this board want to do.

 

I'm of the belief that players need to develop instead of expecting instant gratification, like many fans here do. Let's remember that this is Basham's second year in the league, so he may not be fully there yet.

 

Yes, it does look bad when a player like Kingsley Jonathan comes on the scene from out of nowhere and makes an immediate impression to fans, and that is a very bad look for Basham.

 

I think that we just have to be patient with certain players. Which is probably unrealistic, because there is almost no patience on this board.

Also, look at Epenesa. He's not dominant, but he's making more impactful plays in his third year. Who's to say Basham can't do the same thing?

[Donuts and Doritos]

What? No! Basham is great!!!

 

[BADOLBILZ]

42 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

End of the 2nd round DE, I will give him his 3rd year before passing judgment.

 

I'm also so sick of the Creed Humphrey talk. The way people talk around here you'd think we missed out on a game changer. He's just a center. Taking a shot at a pass rusher in the 2nd round and missing out on a center is a defensible move. Ryan Bates could step in at center next year and we wouldn't miss a beat. If Basham can even get to AJ Epenesa's production next year that would arguably be MORE valuable than anything a top tier center offers.

 

 

I definitely agree in principle that an edge rusher is a premium position that is harder to fill than center............and that early picks should be expended on high ceiling players at premium positions.   But I didn't think Basham qualified as one.    Seemed like an over-aged JAG of a prospect to me.   Humphrey was a generational type C prospect IMO..........I've seen lesser ones go in round 1 in certain years(like Eric Wood, for instance).   Not sure if he will pan out but Humphrey was A LOT more likely to succeed than Basham.

 

Even though I had reverence for Humphrey I wasn't broken up about not taking him because, as you said,  centers are pretty easy to find and having a good one might actually be better for your cap situation long term than having the highest paid one.    

 

My focus as the Bills pick approached was LSU WR Terrace Marshall.........he almost made it to the Bills pick.    I would have loved that pick.   I loved the Spencer Brown pick too.   Neither has been as good as I would have hoped thru 2 seasons but they both have more promise than Boogie, IMO.   Hopefully he proves me wrong and finds some intangible way of improving because I just don't think he has the physical talent to live up to the hope.

[The Frankish Reich]

1 hour ago, ndirish1978 said:

Basham was a waste of a pick, he was supposed to be pro-ready with a relatively low ceiling / high floor. He has been a jag since being drafted. 

He has been a low ceiling/high floor guy, and was ready to contribute almost right away. He’s kind of a slightly worse Shaq Lawson in Shaq’s prime. (I know we hate PFF around here, but their ratings basically confirm my eye test). 
There’s room to criticize whether we should have used 2 high picks on D linemen last year, or whether we should have gone for a higher ceiling project, etc. But we did, which Rousseau as the high risk/high reward guy who’s so far paying dividends, and Basham as the useful rotational piece. He is what he is — a 61st overall pick who will have a good NFL career but never be a star. 

[HOUSE]

I like him 

[Cotton Fitzsimmons]

If only Buddy Nix were still here this whole fiasco could’ve been avoided. Buddy would’ve smelled his breath, figured out what Boogie had for lunch and passed. 

[CountDorkula]

1 hour ago, HappyDays said:

End of the 2nd round DE, I will give him his 3rd year before passing judgment.

 

I'm also so sick of the Creed Humphrey talk. The way people talk around here you'd think we missed out on a game changer. He's just a center. Taking a shot at a pass rusher in the 2nd round and missing out on a center is a defensible move. Ryan Bates could step in at center next year and we wouldn't miss a beat. If Basham can even get to AJ Epenesa's production next year that would arguably be MORE valuable than anything a top tier center offers.

And Basham is just a DE. 
 

your point would hold a little more value if they hadn’t just spent their first picks on the d line in the draft.

 

it was an awful pick for need, value, etc. 

[H2o]

2 hours ago, JohnNord said:

I’m kind of wondering why they selected Basham from the start.  Pre-draft one of the things that made him appealing was his ability to be a hybrid DE/DT.  He was supposed to be “pro-ready” and not a project like Rosseau. Yet the Bills had him drop a bunch of weight to be a faster edge rusher which never was his forte.  Essentially making him a project DE.  
 

The returns of the 2nd draft pick is a rotational player who gives you the same production as a replacement level player.  

I guess there’s a chance he can improve a little bit like AJ Epinesa, but when you have street free agents like Shaq Lawson or undrafted practice squad players like Jonathan outplaying you, it’s hard to feel optimistic that a jump is coming in year 3.

This is exactly what the Bills did with Epenesa as well. They list him at 260lbs now, but I bet he's in the low 250's. When Epenesa was at Iowa he played around 280lbs. That's a lot of functional strength you are taking away from guys having them drop weight in such a manner. Basham, however, is still listed at 280lbs. He's probably only a few lbs under that, somewhere between 270-275lbs. It's not as much as AJE dropped heading into his rookie season without a TC due to Covid. 

[BADOLBILZ]

37 minutes ago, The Firebaugh Kid said:

I'm no expert but I saw him getting thrown around like a rag doll against Miami.

 

 

Yeah he was exceptionally bad in that Miami game a couple weeks ago.

 

Then he suddenly wasn't practicing..........which seems to imply he was hurt and maybe that was why he was so atrocious.

 

The other day McD said he wasn't going to practice........and then he did practice.........I really don't know what the deal is but the last time he was on the field he was the Bills worst player on D and he was replaced by a practice squad player and the defense then dominated the best rushing team in the league. 

[CountDorkula]

7 minutes ago, H2o said:

This is exactly what the Bills did with Epenesa as well. They list him at 260lbs now, but I bet he's in the low 250's. When Epenesa was at Iowa he played around 280lbs. That's a lot of functional strength you are taking away from guys having them drop weight in such a manner. Basham, however, is still listed at 280lbs. He's probably only a few lbs under that, somewhere between 270-275lbs. It's not as much as AJE dropped heading into his rookie season without a TC due to Covid. 

That seems really dumb then to be honest.  draft players and force them to fit your mold, instead of using what they are and do best. 
 

I just can’t picture of the bills doing that, but what do I know?

[Einstein's Dog]

3 minutes ago, CountDorkula said:

Except the way they’re building the defense of line of quantity over quality is not sustainable. They don’t have a true difference maker on that D line. 

 

Quality, what about Von?.  Now Groot is borderline elite.   They bought one and drafted one.  This method is sustainable as long as you can keep drafting one every couple of years.

 

And the quantity you talk about is above average.  Settle, Jones, Lawson, are all Beane tinkering and adjusting.  Epenesa and Boogie are draft attempts that at least occupy previously expensive roster spots.  

 

As for sustainability, you need to keep the process going.  First try and keep these guys together.  And second you need to keep taking DL if they are BPA every couple of years.

[HappyDays]

6 minutes ago, CountDorkula said:

And Basham is just a DE. 
 

your point would hold a little more value if they hadn’t just spent their first picks on the d line in the draft.

 

it was an awful pick for need, value, etc. 

 

Yeah he's JUST a player at the most important position on defense. I don't care about need in the draft but DE was absolutely a big need last year. We had Hughes and Addison on their last legs and only one young player in the pipeline.

 

It's not like he's been outright bad this year, he just hasn't made a huge impact. He's played 40% of defensive snaps. In that limited play time he has 2 sacks, 18 tackles, 5 QB hits, an interception, and a fumble recovery. I worry about his ceiling given his age but he'll get his 2nd full offseason of development and we'll see what happens. Even rotational DEs are taking up quite a bit of cap space these days. Keeping that pipeline full of young talent on rookie contracts is imperative.

[HOUSE]

Wait a minute, he was drafted in 2021....

Way to soon....

[BADOLBILZ]

7 minutes ago, CountDorkula said:

And Basham is just a DE. 
 

your point would hold a little more value if they hadn’t just spent their first picks on the d line in the draft.

 

it was an awful pick for need, value, etc. 

 

 

No, DE is a more premium position than C in the NFL..........this is reality.      Good centers play a vital role but it's about supply and demand.    A lot of OL can be good centers..........and just being good is plenty for that position.    HOW good your edge and island players are is really how games are broken open so that's why they get paid the big bucks.

 

Basham just wasn't a very good edge rushing prospect though, IMO.    He was more of a mid-round base DE type prospect to me........and at that point I'd almost rather wait and take a late round flyer on a more athletic type.     

[The Frankish Reich]

4 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

Basham just wasn't a very good edge rushing prospect though, IMO.    He was more of a mid-round base DE type prospect to me........and at that point I'd almost rather wait and take a late round flyer on a more athletic type.

Right. Epemesa in 2020 and Rousseau the next year were the projectable/star potential guys. Basham was a cheaper (at the time) Shaq. 

[bigK14094]

Last night on the Thursday night game, I saw a lb for Tenn named Basham....I wonder if they are related....Just askin....

[whorlnut]

43 minutes ago, Einstein's Dog said:

Troubling stance?  You're insane.  Having a dominant defensive line should be a top priority.  Above, dare I say, even the offensive line.

 

With Von we had a dominant defensive line, the best since Bruce was here.  We still have a very good defensive line and that is due to Beane realizing how important it is, adding and adjusting to it.  Boogie was an attempt at the additions/adjustments.

 

People here don't talk about this improved defensive line much because it doesn't fit the vocal minority's anti-Beane view.  Instead you see threads isolating one particular aspect to fit their mindset.

Where did I say anything about anti-Beane?  Nowhere. You made that up. My point is that he’s pumped a ton of resources into the defensive line and has mostly patched together an oline. Protecting Allen is the top priority. I’d hardly call that “insane”. 

[JohnNord]

1 hour ago, Seoulofstone said:

 That’s fair, despite you being OP you didn’t mention Creed. For me, invoking the non-pick of Creed is an unfair metric in Boogies evaluation IMO.

 

 So Boogie has played over 20 games in the best part of two years. He’s on a rookie contract. He’s flashed occasionally but underwhelmed lacking consistency in play and production albeit as DE3. Like AJE last year -who now has 7.5 sacks. 
 

As Joe Marino says his problem is that he stayed at Wake Forest a long time and as an older prospect we should expect a more immediate development. 
 

 I would love to be MORE impressed by his development.
 

But he hadn’t washed out of the league, done anything weird. shown a lack of effort, injury issues. Personally, I’m not hating the pick, just hoping for more.

 

But it’s not an egregious misuse of pick 61.

 

 

It’s not an egregious pick but like you said, it’s not unreasonable to think that the pick was a disappointment and that we should be seeing better returns

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

41 minutes ago, Mark Vader said:

To answer your main question, I would say that I am underwhelmed by Basham, but I wouldn't just give up on him, which I'm sure many people on this board want to do.

 

I'm of the belief that players need to develop instead of expecting instant gratification, like many fans here do. Let's remember that this is Basham's second year in the league, so he may not be fully there yet.

 

Yes, it does look bad when a player like Kingsley Jonathan comes on the scene from out of nowhere and makes an immediate impression to fans, and that is a very bad look for Basham.

 

I think that we just have to be patient with certain players. Which is probably unrealistic, because there is almost no patience on this board.

Also, look at Epenesa. He's not dominant, but he's making more impactful plays in his third year. Who's to say Basham can't do the same thing?

Perfectly said. Give Basham some time. 
 

Also, it’s tough to flash consistently with the rotation and depth we have on the D-line.

[Bob in STL]

5 pages of complaints about a 2nd year player in 2 hours.   

 

Hindsight is 20-20.  

[Orlando Tim]

I am right now slightly disappointed and expected him to be further along but any discussions in regards to draft needs at the time are not relevant to where to where is currently as a player.

[Beast]

This thread is gold. And I’m not speaking about the opinions on Basham.

Edited December 30, 2022 by Beast

[Einstein's Dog]

6 minutes ago, whorlnut said:

Where did I say anything about anti-Beane?  Nowhere. You made that up. My point is that he’s pumped a ton of resources into the defensive line and has mostly patched together an oline. Protecting Allen is the top priority. I’d hardly call that “insane”. 

Well you did say that it was a troubling stance that Beane is on record saying that he is always looking to add to the defensive line.   To me, that statement is not troubling at all, it's what I like to hear.  I disagree with your finding issue with that statement.

 

This is on top of the OP concentrating on one small aspect of what would have been arguably the best defensive line the Bills have ever had if Von had stayed healthy.

[Virgil]

If I'm not mistaken, Dobbins was taken right after Boogie, so yes.

 

However, at the time of the pick, it was considered to be a value pick because he can lineup both in and outside.  I don't think it's worked out yet and probably won't be a solid starter.  The fact that they took Groot the pick before also makes it look worse.

 

For Beane, I think he's great at drafting certain positions and terrible at others.  To date, he has not proven to know how to draft Offensive lineman, Receivers, and 50/50 on defensive lineman and runningbacks.  Gabe Davis is his one exception so far at the receiver position.  He knocks it out of the park with Linebackers, DB's, and QBs.  

[SoCal Deek]

8 minutes ago, Bob in STL said:

5 pages of complaints about a 2nd year player in 2 hours.   

 

Hindsight is 20-20.  

Feel free to complain about more experienced players. 

[Mango]

1 hour ago, CountDorkula said:

How about starter making an impact every couple games. That’s the bar. 
 

currently we are well below that. 
 

 

he’s Shaq Lawson 2.0 minus the run defense. 

Except Shaq Lawson is on the roster and better at all the things. Shaq has been a good but not great player for us at times. 
 

Basham could be good a some point but he’s yet to be good enough. 

[ALLinALLEN]

Yes

[Rigotz]

2 hours ago, uticaclub said:

If Allen is a bust, McDermott & Beane aren't here in 2022. This team is nothing special outside of Allen.

 

This statement is disappointing, but it's even worse that 7 people liked it. New fans, I guess.

 

Tyler Bass drafted in the 6th ... bad kicker?

Matt Milano drafted in the 5th ... bad linebacker?

Gabriel Davis drafted in the 4th ... zero value?

Dawson Knox drafted in the 3rd ... bad Tight End?

Jordan Poyer and Micah Hyde brought in as cheap free agents ... bad players?

You might not like Ed Oliver, Devin Singletary, Tremaine Edmunds, and Greg Rousseau, but NONE were busts.

Trading a 1st round pick for Stefon Diggs ... bad move? He's nothing special?

Playoff drought streak broken WITHOUT Josh Allen .... coincidence?

 

This type of ungrateful BS and throwing all the love in the world at Josh Allen and saying he's the only reason we're good needs to stop. Does Josh Allen play defense? Because we're a top 5 defense almost every year with McDermott and Beane.

 

GTFO...

 

 

[WideNine]

Hard just to look at the draft, and not look at the FA successes of this FO.

 

Beane's team has really nailed some FA acquisitions that put this team over the top as a post season regular.

 

Thinking of Diggs, Beasley, Brown, Morse, and this season Jones, Settle, Lawson, Von (before the knee), and Phillips when healthy all have been solid contributors.

 

A little more iffy on the offensive side of the ball this offseason. With Crowder hurt before he really got going, Saffold struggles, and they bring in a lot of FA RBs when that position has often had a backseat role in this offense....just a bit of a head-scratcher. Hines did solidify a punt return role that was very shakey with McKenzie back there.

 

The hindsight on signing Bates to a relatively cheap 4-year when Chicago was kicking the tires seems like a pretty shrewd move now. And Ike signed to a one year prove-it deal makes sense.

 

A lot of scrutiny for a front office that has generally done pretty well fielding a competitive team.

 

Our secondary took a beating this year. Injuries to both safeties - one out for the year, Tre's recovery time, and rookies and depth players at DB and FS that need more time to bake before they can be counted on as difference makers on the field.

 

Perhaps a bit of a gamble that sandwiching rookies between the investments up front and vets behind them would hide the growing pains in coverage.

 

Could've worked, but we lost Hyde in back and Von up front and we have a tendency to give up a lot of 3rd and long plays when the rush does not get home fast enough. 

 

All teams have to deal with the unexpected injuries, or areas where they are thin at quality depth.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited December 30, 2022 by WideNine

[FireChans]

6 minutes ago, Virgil said:

If I'm not mistaken, Dobbins was taken right after Boogie, so yes.

 

However, at the time of the pick, it was considered to be a value pick because he can lineup both in and outside.  I don't think it's worked out yet and probably won't be a solid starter.  The fact that they took Groot the pick before also makes it look worse.

 

For Beane, I think he's great at drafting certain positions and terrible at others.  To date, he has not proven to know how to draft Offensive lineman, Receivers, and 50/50 on defensive lineman and runningbacks.  Gabe Davis is his one exception so far at the receiver position.  He knocks it out of the park with Linebackers, DB's, and QBs.  

I don't think you can even say Beane is terrible at drafting WR's because he fails to even try.

 

It's no surprise that Josh's best year as a Bill came when he had the best WR group as a Bill. In 2020, we had Diggs, Davis, a not washed Beasley, and an injured but still decent John Brown with McKenzie as the gadget guy.  Then, they fail to draft or bring in any young WR's, Brown gets cuts, Beasley ages out of the NFL, and they sign Sanders at 34 whose wheels predictably fall off by November. Then, again, they fail to draft any WR's outside of a fifth rounder and decide to roll with McKenzie/Crowder as splitting time at the 3 spot and JAKE KUMEROW CAREER SPECIAL TEAMER as our rotational outside WR.

 

Since 2020, our WR group has just gotten worse and worse. The reason Josh was spinning the ball in 2020 and laughing during games vs. getting red-faced and basically dying to generate drives in 2022 is directly correlated with a worse WR group.

 

It's near team-building malpractice to not put more weapons around your QB in favor of acquiring MORE rotational DE's that you are going to let walk. Especially when rotational-level WR's with Josh throwing them the football will have a way bigger impact on the team. 
 

How much better would our offense be with a Juju in the slot or the boundary instead of McKenzie or Kumerow? Or a Claypool?

 

We don't even need stars. We don't need a Chase or a Higgins. We need guys who can play and beat #3 CBs.  We only have 2 of those guys on the roster currently.

[BADOLBILZ]

16 minutes ago, FireChans said:

I don't think you can even say Beane is terrible at drafting WR's because he fails to even try.

 

It's no surprise that Josh's best year as a Bill came when he had the best WR group as a Bill. In 2020, we had Diggs, Davis, a not washed Beasley, and an injured but still decent John Brown with McKenzie as the gadget guy.  Then, they fail to draft or bring in any young WR's, Brown gets cuts, Beasley ages out of the NFL, and they sign Sanders at 34 whose wheels predictably fall off by November. Then, again, they fail to draft any WR's outside of a fifth rounder and decide to roll with McKenzie/Crowder as splitting time at the 3 spot and JAKE KUMEROW CAREER SPECIAL TEAMER as our rotational outside WR.

 

Since 2020, our WR group has just gotten worse and worse. The reason Josh was spinning the ball in 2020 and laughing during games vs. getting red-faced and basically dying to generate drives in 2022 is directly correlated with a worse WR group.

 

It's near team-building malpractice to not put more weapons around your QB in favor of acquiring MORE rotational DE's that you are going to let walk. Especially when rotational-level WR's with Josh throwing them the football will have a way bigger impact on the team. 
 

How much better would our offense be with a Juju in the slot or the boundary instead of McKenzie or Kumerow? Or a Claypool?

 

We don't even need stars. We don't need a Chase or a Higgins. We need guys who can play and beat #3 CBs.  We only have 2 of those guys on the roster currently.

 

 

Charging up the WR room in 2020 was arguably the key step in the Bills rise from Bills being a scrappy WC contender to a legit SB contender.

 

Sometimes it seems like Beane is the only one who doesn't understand what they'd actually done by building what at the time was a top 3 WR corps in the NFL around their young QB.

 

Teams have been trying to build top 5 WR corps to elevate their young or underperforming QB's ever since and it's working.

 

They need to get back there but they are chasing it now.........demand is up league-wide, UFA market is thin and there are less sure-thing types in the upcoming draft.........it won't be as easy to put it back together as it would have been to simply maintain it.

 

 

[Gugny]

4 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Charging up the WR room in 2020 was arguably the key step in the Bills rise from Bills being a scrappy WC contender to a legit SB contender.

 

Sometimes it seems like Beane is the only one who doesn't understand what they'd actually done by building what at the time was a top 3 WR corps in the NFL around their young QB.

 

Teams have been trying to build top 5 WR corps to elevate their young or underperforming QB's ever since and it's working.

 

They need to get back there but they are chasing it now.........demand is up league-wide, UFA market is thin and there are less sure-thing types in the upcoming draft.........it won't be as easy to put it back together as it would have been to simply maintain it.

 

 

 

[SWATeam]

4 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

They need to get back there but they are chasing it now.........demand is up league-wide, UFA market is thin and there are less sure-thing types in the upcoming draft.........it won't be as easy to put it back together as it would have been to simply maintain it.

 

 

Wasn't it always your contention that because of the state of college football, they are just generating tons and tons of these receivers that you can get in pretty much any round and even teams practice squads are full of high end athletes at the position?

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

3 hours ago, uticaclub said:

If Allen is a bust, McDermott & Beane aren't here in 2022. This team is nothing special outside of Allen.

I mean in that alternate reality where josh Allen was a bust we’d be drafting a lot earlier every year and we’d have more draft picks contributing early. People are kind of ignoring the fact that these are mostly late picks because our team is actually good now lol   
 

If you look at the chiefs who also have picked late for years/not always had first round picks, they’ve got a pretty similar thing going on.  The only meaningful player they got out of the 2020 and 2019 drafts was ljarius sneed. 2021 they hit on creed obviously and nick Bolton has been playing better this year.

then 2022 they unloaded tyreek and had a ton of picks that are all looking mediocre at best. it’s still very early in their careers of course. 

[Golden]

4 hours ago, balln said:

I find it very alarming that they draft

 

AJE - he’s healthy scratch much of his rookie year and beyond 

bills continue to sign and draft DL

 

Basham  - he’s healthy scratch much of his rookie year and beyond 

Bills continue to draft DB , sign DL

 

Elam - he’s health scratch despite rookie benford injured and tre white needing more time to come back 

 

Bernard - ooof what a bad pick. 

 

NO wr (aside from shakir who they don’t target) 

 

and we still have to sign or lure out of retirement players like x rhodes CB (who started over Elam who didn’t even dress). Klein Lb. Beasley and John brown. And then this fringe player DE Kingsley who looked more impactful in his FIRST GAME then ppl above

 

ALARMING. It’s part bad draft

selections / falling in love w process guys. Bad coaching decisions / they def play favorites. 

Painful present day truths.  Also considering Creed Humphrey was there to be had, does not make things much brighter 

[BADOLBILZ]

5 minutes ago, SWATeam said:

Wasn't it always your contention that because of the state of college football, they are just generating tons and tons of these receivers that you can get in pretty much any round and even teams practice squads are full of high end athletes at the position?

 

The way the game was being called there was shaping up to be an abundance of players capable of being very productive WR in the NFL.    That should serve to lower costs.........but given the success of what the Bills did in 2020........it did not.

 

So I believe that the NFL owners decided last offseason to legislatively reign in the passing game to create financial separation between the WR1 and the pack of other receivers to stop the Gabe Davis types of the world from getting $20M Mike Williams deals.  

 

It's turned into an absolute mugging in the secondary all game this season.  It's been the year of the handsy CB........as evidenced by rookie mugger Sauce Gardner being the highest rated CB in the NFL by some metrics.    Meanwhile,  the amount of RB's with 1500 scrimmage yards or more will likely double this season.     

[Putin]

4 hours ago, uticaclub said:

If Allen is a bust, McDermott & Beane aren't here in 2022. This team is nothing special outside of Allen.

As far as the draft goes Unfortunately I have agree  , two 2nd  round picks and two 3rd in the past 3 years are just bad picks 

 

[Allen2D̶i̶g̶g̶s̶TBD]

Basham looked dominant at times in the preseason and early in the regular season. I think it's too early to call him a bust as I think he still has some untapped potential. I bet he has a breakout season in the final year of his contract and gets paid elsewhere.

[frostbitmic]

Picking anyone other than Creed Humphrey at that spot would be a disappointment.

 

Boogie is ok, Creed is a top Center already and Centers help protect the franchise.

[Augie]

Hey! Look who’s in the running for #1 seed in the AFC! 

 

Every fan base can find things to complain about using their 20/20 hindsight glasses. I like the results.