I’m starting to get extremely frustrated with Dorsey.

[Straight Hucklebuck]

Just now, Process said:

He was brutal tonight. Josh had no open receivers for the majority of the second half. 

Things really got harder for most of the second half when Holland stayed as the spy. 

[Ethan in Cleveland]

What I dont understand is the seeming lack of short throw options. Is that Dorsey? Is that the fact the RBs need to stay in and block? Is that Josh not taking the underneath throw when it is there?

Not sure but it would be nice to see more easy stuff underneath. 

[GETTOTHE50]

15 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

Once Morse went out it would have been a big mistake to go under center.

 

Josh has large sure hands and even so, he was challenged on a couple of those plays.

Would you prefer ken ‘give me shotgun or give me death’ Dorsey? 

[JohnNord]

21 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Here’s the thing. I have never been a “fire the OC” guy. I think if you polled fans of 32 NFL teams, and ask them their biggest problem with their team, it would either be the OC or playcalling, two nebulous concepts that usually come down to more of a lack of execution than anything else.

 

All that being said, Dorsey is driving me nuts. I can live with getting away from the run a little bit. Josh is our best offensive weapon and anytime the ball isn’t in his hands, defenses are happy. 
 

What I cannot deal with is a lack of preparedness and what appears to be glaring schematic flaws. 
 

There were two separate occasions on deep shots tonight where Gabe Davis and Isaiah McKenzie were operating within 2 yards of each other. Unless one of those recievers ran the wrong route, there is exactly NO excuse for that. These were not flood concepts or rubs or anything like that. Just two guys running flag routes next to each other.

 

The other thing. Backup OLmen all over the field because of injuries, not his fault. But we go out there and try to catch the defense with cadence with two backups in on the OL? Is that a joke? Of course, Saffold jumped (which is even funnier) but I question the decision making at all.

 

Bottom line is the Bills offense is still really good. Statistically one of the best. But a lot of times, it feels to me that Josh ends games dragging this team to the finish line after mixed results for the first 3 Q’s. And you know, that’s fine. If that’s the story of the 2022 Bills offense, it’s still pretty good. 
 

But to me, I don’t think that’s the sum of our parts. I think that’s selling us short. 
 

As a positive, Knox was infinitely more involved today which was awesome to see and definitely worked. So you know, Dorsey isn’t hopeless. But these are the kind of things that I had hoped would be cleaned up by week 6,

I think they do need to have a shorter passing game at times.  Sometimes it seems that routes are either slow developing routes or deep passes which don’t have time to develop because of pass protection 

[SirAndrew]

The results and production is there. We’re scoring points, so I can’t say much negative about the OC. However, while I don’t think production can get much better, Dorsey could make things a little easier on Allen. More high percentage plays that don’t require superhuman efforts would be nice. I thought the two point conversation sneak was an awful call, yet Allen might be the only QB in NFL history who could have scored on that play. 

[Man with No Name]

Good coordinators can write scripts that score automatic points at the start of the game and after half time. Great coordinators make adjustments when the other team catches on. 

 

Daboll was good. He could script the hell out of the first qtr. Was often slow to adjust when things weren't working. 

 

Dorsey doesn't script or adjust. Doesn't seem to have the right feel for the game. Sorry to all the but, but, but we are 11-3 people. The points shouldn't be this hard to come by. We were supposed to be the best team in the NFL this year. 

[Straight Hucklebuck]

3 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

What I dont understand is the seeming lack of short throw options. Is that Dorsey? Is that the fact the RBs need to stay in and block? Is that Josh not taking the underneath throw when it is there?

Not sure but it would be nice to see more easy stuff underneath. 

 

1. We don’t run many slants, and really almost none if it’s not Diggs.

 

2. Our running backs are always falling down on dump offs.

 

3. Using Knox to work all areas of the defense as a roamer will improve the efficiency of the offense. 
 

Edited December 18, 2022 by Straight Hucklebuck

[Malazan]

I have the same issue with Dorsey's playcalling every week.. it seems like he wants the big shot too often.  He also seems very, very predictable where they get into a groove passing then have a miss and it feels like every time after that it's a run. 

 

There's other issues I think they need to address that are more impactful though.. any pass that is at or behind the line of scrimmage seems to be a disaster. Not wasting downs on this I think would be a great help. 

[SirAndrew]

2 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

What I dont understand is the seeming lack of short throw options. Is that Dorsey? Is that the fact the RBs need to stay in and block? Is that Josh not taking the underneath throw when it is there?

Not sure but it would be nice to see more easy stuff underneath. 

This exactly, we’re putting up points, but a little ball control offense with the short passing game, and easier decisions for Josh would be nice. 

[Royale with Cheese]

16 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

Once Morse went out it would have been a big mistake to go under center.

 

Josh has large sure hands and even so, he was challenged on a couple of those plays.

We already have had multiple bobbled snaps between Allen and VanRotten.  I would never go under center with them together.

[BillsfaninSB]

Not defending Dorsey but this is Deja Vu with Daboll.  I recall his nickname on the board was dumbbell. 

[Straight Hucklebuck]

1 minute ago, Malazan said:

I have the same issue with Dorsey's playcalling every week.. it seems like he wants the big shot too often.  He also seems very, very predictable where they get into a groove passing then have a miss and it feels like every time after that it's a run. 

 

There's other issues I think they need to address that are more impactful though.. any pass that is at or behind the line of scrimmage seems to be a disaster. Not wasting downs on this I think would be a great help. 

This is a good spot.

 

We did this twice tonight, threw sideways, lost yards both times. 

[Doc]

He's saving it for the playoffs.

[Trock]

Josh carries this team. He took over. Dorsey is a head case with a highlighter. He needs to go. 

Edited December 18, 2022 by Trock

[Old Coot]

Some of the offense's troubles lie with our makeshift OL. Last year Josh had noticeably more time to throw when he was in the pocket and that allowed our receivers more time to get open.

 

Maybe it's Dorsey's playcalling but in his after game interview when asked about the 3r quarter performance he put it down to execution.

 

I agree that on the two deep pass plays with two receivers in the same area, that should not happen.  The play wasn't drawn up that way. One of the receivers didn't run the correct route.

[pigpen65]

2 point conversation play call was idiotic

[Wizard]

My frustration is this 3rd Quarter trend where they struggle offensively, take very long to make adjustments, and other teams get back into games.

 

Fortunately, Allen's passing, running, and his ability to extend plays keep the team winning.

 

I am hoping that this 3rd quarter trend does turn into an Achilles heel against a quality opponent in a seesaw playoff battle.

[What a Tuel]

31 minutes ago, FireChans said:

That’s fine. I admit, it’s not like the Bills are bad.

 

Do you think the offense is operating to its full potential?

 

Think its more on Beane not bringing in an Oline that can get a run game going and take pressure off the passing game more than a Dorsey thing. 

 

Those runs to our right side by Miami had significant blocking that we can never properly replicate. I don't think that's a scheme issue.

[Andy1]

At least he got Knox involved tonight. He has been missing for much of the season.

[wppete]

I’m not worried about the offensive play calling. More worried about the O-Line and the Defense. We are in trouble if the don’t get it together….. Also would be very happy if his is the let season Frazier is with this Defense. 

[FireChans]

1 minute ago, What a Tuel said:

 

Think its more on Beane not bringing in an Oline that can get a run game going and take pressure off the passing game more than a Dorsey thing. 

 

Those runs to our right side by Miami had significant blocking that we can never properly replicate. I don't think that's a scheme issue.

I think there's a lot of different ways to attribute blame. Certainly, the OL players deserve some for playing badly at times. The FO and leadership deserve some for not bringing in players who play well.

 

But there isn't a 26 year old All-Pro RG walking through that door at this point in the season. I choose to focus on Dorsey, because I think he can clean up some of the schematic stuff and make this offense a little bit more effective.

 

IMO, there's a clear reason our 2 and 4 min offenses look like different units. And Dorsey needs to do some soul-searching as to why that is, because as much as I enjoy Josh Allen heroics, I think that most games coming down to give Josh the ball and get out of the way is not a recipe for playoff success.

[Freddie's Dead]

Starting?  

[Alphadawg7]

31 minutes ago, Beast said:

450 yards, 32 points and a win.

 

I guess it’s his fault they didn’t put up 600 and 50.

 

I guess it’s also his fault the o-line play went to ***** when Morse left the game.

Sometimes you need to look a little more deeper into things then just reading a box score.

[Goin Breakdown]

Welcome aboard. 

[billsfan_34]

10-3 with 5 wins in 25 down the stretch - yeah bash on Dorsey. I love where we are LFG

[BuffaloRebound]

It was completely asinine going 4 wide when Morse went out.  Recipe to get Josh killed.  I think McDermott finally told Dorsey ‘we’re running the f’ing ball no matter what here’ after the strip sack fumble when we were down 8.  Sometimes the best way to help your OLine out is to run the ball.  

[LABILLBACKER]

41 minutes ago, DuckyBoys said:

Daboll was not that different  Think were seeing some of the fallout from a team that failed to shore up its O line and that was before the injuries piled up  We dont have any difference makers on offense besides 17 and 14 and especially not on the O line

Obviously Josh does mask a ton of issues.  I just feel like Dorsey is trying to survive this season.  He's calling plays like a true rookie OC. His OL is a mess thanks to 3 years of drafting neglect. Josh is just going to have to keep carry this team in spite of Dorsey's first year.

[DapperCam]

8 minutes ago, billsfan_34 said:

10-3 with 5 wins in 25 down the stretch - yeah bash on Dorsey. I love where we are LFG

Josh Allen makes up for a lot of bad play calling and scheming. I'm not saying fire the OC or anything, but there is a lot to clean up this offseason. Where is the short passing game? Why can't we run a screen? Why can't we run with the RB? Where are the timing routes and slants. Why don't we use the middle of the field more, almost everything is to the outside?

The whole offense seems to be have Allen run around and play backyard football. The scheme itself doesn't seem very effective.

[billsfan_34]

4 minutes ago, DapperCam said:

Josh Allen makes up for a lot of bad play calling and scheming. I'm not saying fire the OC or anything, but there is a lot to clean up this offseason. Where is the short passing game? Why can't we run a screen? Why can't we run with the RB? Where are the timing routes and slants. Why don't we use the middle of the field more, almost everything is to the outside?

The whole offense seems to be have Allen run around and play backyard football. The scheme itself doesn't seem very effective.

Dorsey calls the plays within Allens skillset and lets him improvise- no problem with Dorsey here.

[iccrewman112]

1 hour ago, BillsFan130 said:

I like the heavy pass approach, but where are the runs mixed in durian the drives? Where are the play actions?

 

Bills offence got 32 amd 450 plus yards, but that’s because Josh is an absolute animal

there is a serious lack of a short passing game.

 

Davis doesn’t run many short routes.

Diggs is a premiere route runner and is near unguardable in the short game.

a lack of drag/crossing routes. 
there is a lack of rub routes Beasley and McKenzie should feast with those routes.

not hook routes from the tight ends.

 

im hoping they can spin together a short passing game in the last 3 games of the season.

[HappyDays]

1 hour ago, Beck Water said:

I’m starting to get ….frustrated isn’t the right word, “Bemused” by is better - fans on this board who can’t even enjoy the win for an hour without dunking on a player or two or a coach.

 

The forum would be incredibly boring if after every win we all just posted virtual high fives. Nothing wrong with just enjoying wins but that's not why we come here.

 

I'll cut Dorsey a little slack because he's a 1st year coordinator and the talent on offense is below average for a championship contender. I just wish he would make it a point to focus more on quick passes and running the ball. The drives where we do seem to always be successful. The drives that fail often feature three attempts to set up deep shots. I know Allen is elite but there's no rule that says elite QBs aren't allowed to have easy answers mixed in. Mahomes gets multiple plays a game that are easy pitch and catch to pass catchers in space. We get very few of those.

[JoshAllin]

Not really frustrated at Dorsey or the offense as 24-30+ points should be enough to win games. Defense on the other hand is going to get more frustrating with Von out and Micah replacement isn't comparable

[Dick_Cheney]

9 minutes ago, iccrewman112 said:

there is a serious lack of a short passing game.

 

Davis doesn’t run many short routes.

Diggs is a premiere route runner and is near unguardable in the short game.

a lack of drag/crossing routes. 
there is a lack of rub routes Beasley and McKenzie should feast with those routes.

not hook routes from the tight ends.

 

im hoping they can spin together a short passing game in the last 3 games of the season.

Beasley should feast after 72 hours?

 

Maybe next week. 

[iccrewman112]

2 minutes ago, Dick_Cheney said:

Beasley should feast after 72 hours?

 

Maybe next week. 

In a short passing game system. Which I am hoping the can work in over the next 3 weeks

[Big Turk]

1 hour ago, sullim4 said:

Your name is literally "FireChans".

 

I mean... I guess Modkins was the offensive coordinator for Gailey?  But Chan was the de facto offensive coordinator.

 

I would have LOVED to see what Chan would have done with this team...

 

Dude was always given lemons and told to make it into lemonade without any sugar.

Edited December 18, 2022 by Big Turk

[y2zipper]

The offense is getting better, not worse, and over the last 3 weeks has done a good job of playing the team in front of it. Against the Jets and Patriots, the scoring output was lower but against those teams it's more important to play a clean game.

 

They scored on 50% of the drives today with all of them except for one being touchdowns, and that's essentially a league best number. It isn't the best look to score 3 times then get stopped 3 times, but if it's in a different order no one is complaining. We're getting super bowl winning caliber offensive production and Dorsey is maximizing the skillset of his franchise QB. That's the job.

 

 

 

[Roundybout]

Ken "Four Verts of Doom" Dorsey has a long way to go to earn my trust. 

[BillMafia716ix]

The last 5 minute drive to seal the deal was Dorsey best play calling all season and I’ve been very critical about the guy. He’s learning 

[newcam2012]

The Bills are lacking a stretch the field WR. They have no home run threat anymore. Davis isn't that guy. Not sure why? The other WRs often don't get a lot of separation. The WR core does lack talent. McKenzie is not dependable, Gabe is average, Shakir doesn't play, Beasley and Browne are washed, and that only leaves Diggs.

 

The Bills RBs don't scare any team and you don't have to game plan for them.

 

The oline is below average with leads to a lack of consistent running production and Allen protection.

 

Then there's Josh Allen who can and does do it all fairly consistently.

 

It's easy to blame Dorsey but the offensive problems are more a lack of talent and weapons coupled with injuries rather than a Dorsey problem. 

[Pasaluki]

I like Dorsey. The team has a prolific offense despite a rather poor Oline. 

He's had some good gameplans.