Von Miller ACL- Out for Season

[YoloinOhio]

 

[dakrider]

I thought it might be a stretch if Miller would have been able to come back in the playoffs but didn't think it was as bad as torn acl is.  These damn knee injuries are just killer. 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

"most"

 

if it took 3/4ths the season for a much younger Tre White to come back, I'm not holding out hope. Injury settlement time.

 

[Mrbojanglezs]

 

2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

Sounds like the doctor slipped and cut his ACL and this is cover 

[RiotAct]

1 minute ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

"most"

 

if it took 3/4ths the season for a much younger Tre White to come back, I'm not holding out hope. Injury settlement time.

 

most of a small portion of 2023 is what he meant.

[Greg S]

3 minutes ago, dollars 2 donuts said:

 

 

The Thanksgiving Day Massacre.

 

Two straight years.

 

The extremely-stitious nature of my personality hopes we avoid these turkey day games in the future.

 

 

 

This year Buffalo (AFC) played at Detroit while Dallas hosted the Giants (NFC). If they rotate the AFC/NFC opponent, then Dallas gets the AFC team next year. Only 2 AFC teams go to Dallas. They are the Jets and Pats. Maybe the turkey day curse its them. Probably Jets at Cowboys as they are better than the Pats now. Just have to hope the Bills don't get the night game.

[dollars 2 donuts]

Just now, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

 

Yeah, no, that's not how this work.

 

 

 

With as hard as these guys cut ad stop on a dime, and at 33 years old and at risk for pile-ups, this event almost seems inevitable.

 

 

 

 

 

1 minute ago, Greg S said:

 

This year Buffalo (AFC) played at Detroit while Dallas hosted the Giants (NFC). If they rotate the AFC/NFC opponent, then Dallas gets the AFC team next year. Only 2 AFC teams go to Dallas. They are the Jets and Pats. Maybe the turkey day curse its them. Probably Jets at Cowboys as they are better than the Pats now. Just have to hope the Bills don't get the night game.

 

 

Thank you, Greg.

 

...and regardless of my dramatics in my earlier post..let's be honest...that would pretty cool.  4 out of 5 years.

 

 

Ugh, I hate this, though!

 

 

[JerseyBills]

Always wished we signed Hutchinson 2 years ago who went to Cincy.

Gotta hope these 1st and 2nd rders step up

[Big Turk]

53 minutes ago, BUFFALOBART said:

I've had several MRI's for Sports injuries,and was never misdiagnosed. I would think that a Medical staff for an NFL team, would have a sense of what was going on, sooner.

The 'name calling', started with Aussie Joe.It was directed towards me, and I responded. It escalated, from there.

BTW, Why don't you mind your own Goddamn business?

 

Doubt it was misdiagnosed, MRI's are not always clear or there can be questions as to whether or not something is actually damaged.  Which is why exploratory surgery was done...you know...to explore and find out the actual extent of the damage. Every situation is different.  Trying to compare what you had done to anyone else has no value.

 

Based on Beane's comments, it wasn't a full ACL tear, but the doctor determined that it "wasn't going to hold" and they needed to have the surgery done on it.  Also seems it may not be AS serious in terms of how long it takes to come back from versus a full tear based on Beane saying they are hopeful he can return for most of next season.

Edited December 7, 2022 by Big Turk

[Gugny]

26 minutes ago, Simon said:

 

You called him "Einstein", implying he was stupid.

Which is something we really try not to do around here. 

 

What are we supposed to call @Einstein???

[Ethan in Cleveland]

2 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

"most"

 

if it took 3/4ths the season for a much younger Tre White to come back, I'm not holding out hope. Injury settlement time.

 

White was ready to go probably at the start of the season and certainly at least three or four weeks before he finally started playing.   He just didn't want to play for some reason.  Miller might be the same, might be sooner, might be longer.  If they get him back in Nov of 2023 for a playoff run that will be fine.   

Let's be honest the only thing that matters now that we have Allen is the SB.  Division titles and just making the playoffs no longer matter.  The next 5 years the only goal is to win the SB.  That can be done with or without home field advantage and with or without a division title.  I would rather be fully healthy and a WC like Cinci than a DIv champ and riddle with injuries like Buf and Baltimore.

[CircleTheWagons99]

[hemma]

28 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

Love to say I'm shocked but IMO it was trending that way the moment it happened. 

 

If I have a criticism of this regime it is that they over PR manager injury news. 

Bills’ Team lawyer probably has a bad case of HIPAA paranoia.

[folz]

I feel bad for Von and wishing him the best for a speedy recovery! I also hope he sticks around the team the rest of the year (when able) to continue coaching up the young guys, like Micah has been doing.

 

But, I don't think this takes us out of the race by any means. Next man up!

 

Daquan and Jordan have been playing well all year, and Ed is becoming a monster. A big reason our pass rush was bad last year is that we were getting no interior pressure, so QBs could just step up in the pocket (away from the curling DEs). If these three can continue playing big, there is no reason our DEs can't get the job done. Maybe this will be a rallying cry for them. People think we can't get it done without Von.

 

Shaq, Boogie, and AJ didn't play much early in the year. So, maybe this really motivates them, to finally have their shot to prove themselves. Maybe Groot really takes it on himself to fill the gap and finds another level.

 

We don't know yet how this will all play out...I'm not saying losing Von doesn't hurt or that they won't need to adjust (if Von indeed was taking a lot of double teams), but it's not like the DE cupboard is bare behind Von. We have two #1 and two #2 draft picks there. They obviously have talent, even if they haven't lived up to their draft status yet...time for them to step up and prove their worth. I'm not expecting them to play like All-Pros...just get the job done boys.

 

We'll be fine.

 

Let's Go Buffalo! 

[HappyDays]

Someone else might have already mentioned this but Jason Peters tore his ACL at 35 and is still playing. I'm confident Von will be back next year, it just sucks that this was our best Super Bowl window year.

[TPS]

1 hour ago, RiotAct said:

Good ol’ Joan Allen!

Next time I better check before hitting submit. That is funny.

[Simon]

2 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

What are we supposed to call @Einstein???

lol, I did actually have to double check that he wasn't talking to Einstein when he called him that. 

[YoloinOhio]

 

[prissythecat]

1 hour ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

LTIR might be used on Von at the start of next season. Once he comes off they’ll need to be cap compliant but they will have the ability to exceed the cap till he does which would give Beane some free time to move money around while they wait on his return.  

 

Do the Bills play hockey?   There is no special long term bucket for IR in the NFL that gives a better salary cap hit right?

[Buffalo_Stampede]

[PrimeTime101]

7 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

What are we supposed to call @Einstein???

Does "general theory of relativity" play into this at all?

[skibum]

49 minutes ago, Steptide said:

This is probably a stupid question, but are some acl injuries worse than others, or are they basically all the same? 

 

If it's just the ACL that's damaged, then they are effectively pretty similar. You can have a grade 1 sprain, but even those make the knee less stable, and they basically never heal because the ACL has almost no blood supply. They are also pretty rare, because there is not much difference between the amount of force required to stretch an ACL vs. tear it. A grade 2 partial tear leaves the knee forever sloppy and is liable to blow out sooner or later anyway, possibly taking other ligaments with it. I tried rehabbing one of those once, and it popped four months later. For all but the mildest sprains, it's generally best to just get it repaired right away. The good news is that If the surgery is successful and rehab is done right, then it's darn near good as new. It just takes a while. 

 

ACL injuries get a lot worse when there is collateral damage in addition to the torn ACL - like a meniscus tear, for example. The meniscus also doesn't heal itself in most scenarios, and surgical options don't really fix it, they just minimize the impact to the extent it's possible. Long term, the meniscus will most likely be a bigger problem for Von.

[Thrivefourfive]

His career is over. What’s he got to play for.. 

 

If he retires, does he still get the 3 years guaranteed money?

[billybob71]

injury settlement possible with his contract hopefully?

[LABILLBACKER]

2 hours ago, NewEra said:

So he’s out for almost all of next year too.  Sigh.  

We just can't have nice things. Unbelievable....

[billsherd]

Are the Bills cursed or is it the Thanksgiving?

[LABILLBACKER]

1 minute ago, billsherd said:

Are the Bills cursed or is it the Thanksgiving?

Both

[SydneyBillsFan]

Who did the MRI - Kermit the frog or some other muppet?

[Greg S]

1 minute ago, billsherd said:

Are the Bills cursed or is it the Thanksgiving?

 

It's kind of been a curse and blessing. The injuries are terrible, but the Bills do win the game on Thanksgiving. Hope we don't get the night game next year.

[Buddy Hix]

This is my fault…I bought a Miller jersey at the Bills store.

 

But seriously, this sucks so bad. Miller was playing way better than I expected but will now be 34 coming off another major knee surgery and his deal was massive. 
 

[LABILLBACKER]

19 minutes ago, JerseyBills said:

Always wished we signed Hutchinson 2 years ago who went to Cincy.

Gotta hope these 1st and 2nd rders step up

Groot will be steady but then there's a big drop off to AJE, Boogie & Shaq. This really sucks.

[Boatdrinks]

4 minutes ago, billsherd said:

Are the Bills cursed or is it the Thanksgiving?

Well ,they seem to win em on Turkey Day so I’ll go with split film turf problem . 

[dollars 2 donuts]

To beguile you with my mastery of the obvious, before we run to the "next Bill up" or the "the younglings have to fly on their own", please note the sole reason this man was brought in, at 33, for 20 million per, with about 60 million guaranteed was to get this team to a Super Bowl.

 

...along with himself and not as a cheerleader.

 

I think this team is great without him and they may still go, but this is literally crushing.

 

I'll say it again...given the position he plays, his age, and the stress on the lower body getting to the QB this just seemed inevitable.

 

However, how I would love to see the Bills win a SB without any hired guns to help pull them over the top.

 

It would be sweet.

 

GO BILLS!

 

 

[Boatdrinks]

1 minute ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Groot will be steady but then there's a big drop off to AJE, Boogie & Shaq. This really sucks.

It does , but they didn’t have Von last year and Hughes wasn’t very effective. It’s a problem that they’ll have to find a way around. 

[WideNine]

We were a pretty good defense before the Von acquisition, but he is a closer that comes up big in key moments.

 

Beane did a good job shoring up the soft middle of that DL, and our DE rotation could be worse.

 

Next man up and wishing a speedy recovery for Von.

 

That being said "F" Thanksgiving games - last year Tre this year Von.

 

 

 

 

[Big Turk]

11 minutes ago, skibum said:

 

If it's just the ACL that's damaged, then they are effectively pretty similar. You can have a grade 1 sprain, but even those make the knee less stable, and they basically never heal because the ACL has almost no blood supply. They are also pretty rare, because there is not much difference between the amount of force required to stretch an ACL vs. tear it. A grade 2 partial tear leaves the knee forever sloppy and is liable to blow out sooner or later anyway, possibly taking other ligaments with it. I tried rehabbing one of those once, and it popped four months later. For all but the mildest sprains, it's generally best to just get it repaired right away. The good news is that If the surgery is successful and rehab is done right, then it's darn near good as new. It just takes a while. 

 

ACL injuries get a lot worse when there is collateral damage in addition to the torn ACL - like a meniscus tear, for example. The meniscus also doesn't heal itself in most scenarios, and surgical options don't really fix it, they just minimize the impact to the extent it's possible. Long term, the meniscus will most likely be a bigger problem for Von.

 

It sounds like it wasn't a full tear but there was enough damage to where they felt they had to do the surgery because the doctor told Beane "it wasn't going to hold"...also sounds like recovery time might be less than for a complete ACL tear since they said they are hopeful he can play most of next season, which means it is a shorter timeframe for recovery initially.

[todd]

1 hour ago, NewEra said:

4M for a good pass rusher is a bargain.  Ask Justin Houston and Melvin Ingram. The “over the hill” pass rushers that nobody wants are all doing what they’ve always done.  Pressuring the QB.  

The defense failed with Hughes, and was clearly better with Miller. Hughes should not be part of the conversation. Different level of player, and there should be no disagreement about that. To insinuate that we should have kept Hughes instead of signing Miller is …. Not bright.

[BillsPride12]

48 minutes ago, Simon said:

 

 

 

Maybe you could both stop acting like 4th graders so the rest of us don't have to listen to the completely pointless bickering? 🤷‍♂️

The Bickering Bills Fans

[LABILLBACKER]

2 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

It does , but they didn’t have Von last year and Hughes wasn’t very effective. It’s a problem that they’ll have to find a way around. 

Yes and last year our defense and lack of pass rush let us down for a 3rd straight playoff season. Groot & Ed are going to have to do the heavy lifting. 

[billybob71]

3 minutes ago, dollars 2 donuts said:

To beguile you with my mastery of the obvious, before we run to the "next Bill up" or the "the younglings have to fly on their own", please note the sole reason this man was brought in, at 33, for 20 million per, with about 60 million guaranteed was to get this team to a Super Bowl.

 

...along with himself and not as a cheerleader.

 

I think this team is great without him and they may still go, but this is literally crushing.

 

I'll say it again...given the position he plays, his age, and the stress on the lower body getting to the QB this just seemed inevitable.

 

However, how I would love to see the Bills win a SB without any hired guns to help pull them over the top.

 

It would be sweet.

 

GO BILLS!

 

 

I agree given his age and his position, Bills took a big big risk but I don't fault them for going for it. Man if Beane coulda had a crystal ball, imagine putting that Von money into OL and more weapons for Josh? oh boy