Von Miller ACL- Out for Season

[1ManRaid]

55 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

Oh FFS we have the worst injury luck this season.

 

Worse than losing your starting QB, then your backup QB?

[ngbills]

Just now, Greg S said:

 

Is there anyone out there who is available that Beane can bring in? It would be nice if the Texans released him, but we can't count on that

Ex 49er and Chief Ford, Ex Raven McPhee

[TH3]

17 minutes ago, Logic said:

Me trying to get excited for the Jets game and the rest of the season and to pretend like this injury doesn't massively impact the Bills' chances of winning the Super Bowl:

It doesn’t MASSIVELY impact the Bills chances. There is only one guy that does that …and Diggs.
 

Let’s hope the players and staff get on with things better that than glass fan base on this forum. 

[Scott7975]

3 minutes ago, Dr.Mantis_Toboggan said:

Now would be a great time for the Texans to release Hughes… 

 

Even if they did there is no guarantee Hughes would make it to Buffalo.  He would have to go through waivers. The Rams could claim him for instance.  Any team could.

[pigpen65]

How bad does this ***** their cap for the next couple years?

[Logic]

Just now, TH3 said:

It doesn’t MASSIVELY impact the Bills chances. There is only one guy that does that …and Diggs.
 

I respectfully disagree.

[Coach Tuesday]

Signing him was a good move, it just didn't work out.  They really have to start spending the resources on offense though.

[Scott7975]

1 minute ago, 1ManRaid said:

 

Worse than losing your starting QB, then your backup QB?

 

Come on man.  Obviously losing your QBs is bad.  You dont see the injuries we have this season.  Have we even played one game with all of our defense this year?  No.  Our injuries have been horrible this season.

[Dunkirk Donski]

[TH3]

Just now, Coach Tuesday said:

Signing him was a good move, it just didn't work out.  They really have to start spending the resources on offense though.

The #2 ranked offense?

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

57 minutes ago, StHustle said:

What happened to the MRI showing it wasn’t his ACL?!?

doc sliced open a little too deep

[par73]

So frustrating, especially based on initial prognosis. Must remember, they came within 13 seconds of beating KC last year and getting to the Championship game without him. Pretty empty feeling now, though.

[Boatdrinks]

50 minutes ago, Process said:

Jfc. So the next time we see Von will likely be 2024. He'll be 35 yo coming of an ACL injury and being out of football for a year+. 

 

Absolutely brutal.

Always risk of injury with these contracts . Sucks but what can you do 

[FLFan]

16 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

why do you keep saying that Trey White is hobbled?

Because that is what fits the narrative he is trolling with.  

[plenzmd1]

3 minutes ago, BillsFan4 said:

Has Beane actually said that?

 

If so, I’m not sure I really understand that thinking. You could say the same about any big money contract - if that player gets injured it leaves a big hole in your lineup. That’s not a reason to not sign good players in free agency. It’s not like free agents are more prone to injury than guys you draft/develop + sign to big money…

 

 

 

Also, I really don’t get all the “Von’s injury suddenly makes this a bad contract” takes in this thread. It was an injury. They happen in football all the time. It doesn’t suddenly make the Von signing a bad contract. The Bills needed a true finisher on the D line. They went and signed one of the best. 
 

Does the injury leave a big hole in the lineup? Yes. But doesn’t that kind of help prove it was a good signing?

While I I agree with most of your post, there were plenty of folks like me who thought giving that money to that age player was a massive risk… not because of injury, butfor me was age and probability of declining play in the next couple of years. 
 

 

[What a Tuel]

 

Just now, Scott7975 said:

 

Come on man.  Obviously losing your QBs is bad.  You dont see the injuries we have this season.  Have we even played one game with all of our defense this year?  No.  Our injuries have been horrible this season.

 

If I recall correctly, the 49ers have had their share of injuries this year. I don't think we win that competition.

[Coach Tuesday]

1 minute ago, TH3 said:

The #2 ranked offense?

 

Yes, absolutely.  Lean into your strength.  Plus offensive production is generally more consistent year to year.

[Yawning Frog]

[Greg S]

1 minute ago, Coach Tuesday said:

Signing him was a good move, it just didn't work out.  They really have to start spending the resources on offense though.

 

In the draft/FA we need OL, DL, WR, S. 

[ngbills]

Since Beane is likely reading this...

 

Ford is supposedly healthy - While Ford has only appeared in 18 games since the start of 2019, he's logged 9.5 sacks and 24 quarterback pressures in those games.

[coloradobillsfan]

"Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?"

Seems an appropriate day...

(movie quote for the non-comedy film buffs)

[Coach Tuesday]

Just now, Greg S said:

 

In the draft/FA we need OL, DL, WR, S. 

 

We have drafted enough DL for the time being, I think.

[Mr. WEO]

so.... the lateral meniscus is OK?   phew

[GolfandBills]

Big decision coming for the Bills to make with Von going forward.  They can’t afford to carry that cap hit next year when it looks like he’s going to miss majority of the 2023 season 

[What a Tuel]

Just now, Greg S said:

In the draft/FA we need OL, DL, WR, S. 

 

Will need a main RB too unless Singletary re-signs. Not suggesting we draft "another" one, but I am not sure Cook is meant to fill the Singletary role. I could be wrong though.

[SCBills]

3 minutes ago, pigpen65 said:

How bad does this ***** their cap for the next couple years?

 

Worst case scenario - he retires and we work out an injury settlement.  Won't hurt us a ton. 

 

As long as he comes back, we're basically without a 20M pass rusher for (potentially) 80-90% of the regular season next year. 

[DabillsDaBillsDaBills]

1 minute ago, pigpen65 said:

How bad does this ***** their cap for the next couple years?

 

Pretty darn bad, but maybe we can restructure it to mitigate the damage 

 

Von Miller's contract by year:

            Active        Dead Cap

2023   18.7            40.2

2024   22.2            22.8

2025   21.2             7.4

 

 

[Blank Stare]

Man…too bad the ravens snagged JPP earlier this year. 

[ngbills]

1 minute ago, Greg S said:

 

In the draft/FA we need OL, DL, WR, S. 

Are people happy at RB now? A few weeks ago that position was a big need. Also need depth at LB or even bigger need if Edmunds is not going to be resigned. 

[Scott7975]

1 minute ago, What a Tuel said:

 

 

If I recall correctly, the 49ers have had their share of injuries this year. I don't think we win that competition.

 

Im not talking about competition.  Some other team having more injuries doenst make all our injuries any less bad.

[GolfandBills]

Just now, Mr. WEO said:

so.... the lateral meniscus is OK?   phew

No that was repaired too

[NewEra]

17 minutes ago, todd said:

 

Oh please. As if that should even be part of the conversation.

4M for a good pass rusher is a bargain.  Ask Justin Houston and Melvin Ingram. The “over the hill” pass rushers that nobody wants are all doing what they’ve always done.  Pressuring the QB.  

[TheBrownBear]

9 minutes ago, PrimeTime101 said:

I said it COULD BE a career ender.

Sorry, man, you're right.  I'm just freaking out a bit at the moment.  LOL.  Point remains, though, on the injury settlement.  The Bills can't make him sign anything.  Injury settlements are usually done as a courtesy to players down the roster food chain to hook them up with a bit of cash on their way out instead of flat out cutting them while also allowing the team to save some cap scratch.

[Mr. WEO]

1 minute ago, GolfandBills said:

No that was repaired too

 

given exam and MRI, I wonder how often an ACL tear is found incidentally at surgery.

[plenzmd1]

1 minute ago, GolfandBills said:

Big decision coming for the Bills to make with Von going forward.  They can’t afford to carry that cap hit next year when it looks like he’s going to miss majority of the 2023 season 

So, what do you propose they do? 

[RobbRiddick]

19 minutes ago, RiotAct said:

Good ol’ Joan Allen!

 

She's hot but I don't like her big hands. Make me feel 'small' if you get my drift

 

[Brand J]

5 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

 

Even if they did there is no guarantee Hughes would make it to Buffalo.  He would have to go through waivers. The Rams could claim him for instance.  Any team could.

Just saw that vested veterans have to go through waivers after the trade deadline, so yeah, he wouldn’t make it to us. NFL probably has that in place to prevent collusion. 

[What a Tuel]

1 minute ago, Scott7975 said:

 

Im not talking about competition.  Some other team having more injuries doenst make all our injuries any less bad.

Thats fine but your comment was taken as the worst out of all teams especially when you doubled down. If you just meant a generic "we have the worst luck" then I get it, no big deal.

 

1 hour ago, Scott7975 said:

Oh FFS we have the worst injury luck this season.

[Aussie Joe]

11 minutes ago, BUFFALOBART said:

If the MRI was read correctly, then Miller has surgery a few weeks prior.

If an ACL takes a year to recover from, time is precious.

 

So he could have had the surgery before the injury occurred?

 

 

[Process]

Just now, SCBills said:

 

Worst case scenario - he retires and we work out an injury settlement.  Won't hurt us a ton. 

 

As long as he comes back, we're basically without a 20M pass rusher for (potentially) 80-90% of the regular season next year. 

No way he retires when he could get paid $20M to rehab and have access to the bills facilities.

 

What was the deal with Eric Wood again? I just remember that awkward press conference where he retired but couldn't say it because of injury/contract concerns.