ExiledInIllinois Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 Tua banged his head even more than on his own Bermuda at Paycor in Cincinnati. Coincidence? Probably because it's Tua. 😏 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 13 minutes ago, BillsSbSoon said: Yeah josh can turn back into playoff josh at any moment and we’re all worried about von for good reason but josh just refuses to not take a hit. The lions were going a little low on him and that last hit on his knee at the end of the game had me holding my breath. It just hasn’t been talked about much now cause there’s bigger problems, but this guy needs to slide it’s just ridiculous Of course.........if he slides and that kick is 3 yards further back..........the same shaky Bass kick is then wide left. Allen has had to push the envelope because they tried to build a super defense instead of a super offense...........and to this point that approach has failed to yield top seed results. When you have the best football player in the league at QB you should take the shortest distance to greatness, IMO. 1 1 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 1 hour ago, Big Blitz said: He’s 33 years old. And that’s the look I saw. It wasn’t that he thought it was like a season ender - it was a look like “this is absolutely not what you want at my age.” To the guy that posted the thread about whining about next year - yea sorry. It was. We’re a playoff team no doubt. The injuries have killed us. But Allen will need to be January 2022 Allen for us to win it all. I’m not confident solely because we have a rookie OC. But we’ll see. Lots of football (and injuries) left. Anything can happen. Kelce is 33 years old. Mahomes takes a ton of hits. Lamar Jackson had an ankle last December. Anything is possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CEN-CAL17 Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 6 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson said: EJ Manuel had the same correct? Was out what…. 3 weeks? To me this always seems like a 2-6 Week ordeal. What did RB Elijah Mitchell just go through? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southern_Bills Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 Seems NFL.COM threw a very fluid 1-2 week timeline, but it feels like no one really knows at this point. As long as he's back for the playoffs it's a win. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FilthyBeast Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 On one hand it's great news if he's not done for the year, but on the other he's likely going to miss the next 3 games which are all against the division and likely going to determine whether or not this team will be in the mix for the division title in the final few weeks or just playing for a WC spot. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 10 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson said: And I know which of those 3 guys athletic profiles Von is definitely not like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 Lateral Meniscus tear...probably about the best we could have hoped for. Not a long term thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobbRiddick Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 2 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said: On one hand it's great news if he's not done for the year, but on the other he's likely going to miss the next 3 games which are all against the division and likely going to determine whether or not this team will be in the mix for the division title in the final few weeks or just playing for a WC spot. You must be confident in your Dolphins against the Texans this week? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clayboy54 Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 1 hour ago, Big Blitz said: That turf will be gone from every stadium that has it next year. All might be all grass. They’re switching to crushed stone. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shemp Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 With all the injuries the Bills have had this year, I think it would be a minor miracle if we get into the playoffs at all. With all these key injuries, I just want to get into the playoffs period. I don't care about what seed or if we have any home field advantage. Just make it in. Hopefully most if not all the injured, including Miller, will return for the playoffs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airseven Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 No excuse not to enhance podcast production!!!!!!! Yayyyyy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 1 hour ago, Bob in STL said: People here use the term bust so casually. Even on second rounders. What other term would you use for Epenesa? I've not called Basham a bust yet. He's been underwhelming at best for q 2nd round pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeavercreekBillsFan Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 2 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: We can get very good WR depth in rounds 2-3. I think OL also has to be priority. Agree it should’ve been all along. Protect josh by all means. Even when he’s tried to draft OL, he’s picked guys that are specimens but suck (Spencer brown, Cody ford, tommy Doyle, etc). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo03 Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 1 hour ago, NewEra said: He has 8 sacks….playing on a crappy D. He never played alongside The current DL. You’re just a guy that looks at box scores to determine worth. Worthless He has had no more than 4.5 sacks in his last 3 years with us. He's having a good year this year. Does that mean his previous years with us which he did next to nothing should be ignored? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 2 hours ago, Simon said: He did not get yanked; he was on a play count. Quite making crap up He does that a lot. Its his schtick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 Just now, Buffalo03 said: He has had no more than 4.5 sacks in his last 3 years with us. He's having a good year this year. Does that mean his previous years with us which he did next to nothing should be ignored? No. It means that hes never played this this group of DTs and opposite Von Miller before……. O it means that his sack totals from years past don’t mean that he wouldn’t have more this year. He’s always been one of the better pass rushers in the league, regardless of his sack total. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 2 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said: He has had no more than 4.5 sacks in his last 3 years with us. He's having a good year this year. Does that mean his previous years with us which he did next to nothing should be ignored? Maybe you failed to notice that Hughes was amongst the league leaders in QB pressures during that time too, something that is as important as sacks because it forces bad throws, creates turnovers, etc etc. Just tracking sacks is a poor barometer for evaluating the play of a DE. 3 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDS Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 On 11/24/2022 at 2:30 PM, Limeaid said: Rule about threads related to game do not apply to YoYo right? given the fact that you are not a moderator, I’m gonna go ahead and say that you have no idea what the rules actually are. I have actually clarified this many many many times and given to the fact that you don’t know what the hell you’re talking about then maybe you should not comment on these things. How about that? If I need to give an obvious explanation to the busybodies who can’t help themselves from playing hall monitor, things that happened in the game that are of importance beyond the game are 100% reasonable topics. Miller’s injury would be one of them. 4 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 1 hour ago, Dillenger4 said: I hope we get Von back for the playoffs as a healthy weapon. Did anyone else notice AJ Klein yesterday? He was on fire. Played a great game for us. I always liked him but man, yesterday he made 3 plays that were drive stopping. Romo commented, or started to before being cutoff, that Klein is underrated. Good to have him back on a D that is banged up. Now if we could only get rid of Hamlin somehow.... He costs the Bills too many plays. He did his best Edmunds impression on that ball that was thrown right to him though. They finally have reached the season where they miss Edmunds when he is not out there but watching Klein play is a reminder that an instinctive LB can be good enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBeaneBandit Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 26 minutes ago, SDS said: given the fact that you are not a moderator, I’m gonna go ahead and say that you have no idea what the rules actually are. I have actually clarified this many many many times and given to the fact that you don’t know what the hell you’re talking about then maybe you should not comment on these things. How about that? If I need to give an obvious explanation to the busybodies who can’t help themselves from playing hall monitor, things that happened in the game that are of importance beyond the game are 100% reasonable topics. Miller’s injury would be one of them. Word to the mutha👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donuts and Doritos Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 There's reports saying if he can brace it he can play & get surgery after season, but if he can't & has to have surgery now, then his season is done. (Per Rapsheet quoting to Rapoport). So back to wait & see. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 Ugh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newcam2012 Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 2 hours ago, Mark Vader said: You're satisfied with having Basham, Lawson & Mike Love as our DE group? I'll be glad when Epenesa is back. I like Shaw a lot. He is really solid and dependable. Often not flashy but he doesn't make a lot of mistakes. Very good on the run. I've seen years of Epenesa and I'm hoping he's not with the team next year. I don't think he's very good. He misses gaps like crazy and often that's how you know he's on the field. Granted he's made a few plays this year. I'll give you that. The Bills can and should do better than him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comebackkid Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 well this sux for Von, the Bills and the fans. what's the recovery time? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GETTOTHE50 Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 8 minutes ago, Comebackkid said: well this sux for Von, the Bills and the fans. what's the recovery time? tough to say. swelling should be gone after 3 or 4 days and at some point he will need surgery like a partial meniscectomy since hes a relatively young and a athlete. if he gets surgery now and starts rehab next week, then we should have him back by the playoffs. but i just learned about this ***** so it really goes on a case-by-case basis and the reality of the fact is we dont know his full health history or the extent of the damage in his knee. if its just the menisci like is being reported, then we are really lucky and there is a really good chance he should be back by the playoffs 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbmu1977 Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 I'm glad to hear that Von didn't tear his ACL. I tore both my meniscus in both knees. I had my left knee repaired in 2003 when a was 43. I was in no way a pro athlete, just a over weight teacher who liked to ride his bike. The surgery was no big deal and I rehabbed pretty quick. I bet if he got his knee scoped today he would be ready to play in two weeks. Have you seen this guys legs? Hard to believe to it tore at all. He should wear knee braces from now on. Get well soon, next three games determine AFC East champs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FilthyBeast Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Donuts and Doritos said: There's reports saying if he can brace it he can play & get surgery after season, but if he can't & has to have surgery now, then his season is done. (Per Rapsheet quoting to Rapoport). So back to wait & see. Even if he is able to play again this year the bigger question is how effective is he going to be? Just can't believe that one year to the day after losing White to a season ending injury, lightening seemingly strikes twice with a key player we can't afford to lose for an extended period of time. Edited November 25, 2022 by FilthyBeast Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donuts and Doritos Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 14 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said: Even if he is able to play again this year the bigger question is how effective is he going to be? Just can't believe that one year to the day after losing White to a season ending injury, lightening seemingly strikes twice with a key player we can't afford to lose for an extended period of time. Yeah, thought the same thing. I'm definitely done with these Thanksgiving games. Make KC play them. I'd like some breaks to start going the Bills way. Frustrating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 21 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said: Even if he is able to play again this year the bigger question is how effective is he going to be? Just can't believe that one year to the day after losing White to a season ending injury, lightening seemingly strikes twice with a key player we can't afford to lose for an extended period of time. Josina Anderson reported that he’s played with a brace before. Guys play with meniscus tears and/or minor surgery quite frequently and don’t look worse for the wear. Just depends on how severe. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 2 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said: Maybe you failed to notice that Hughes was amongst the league leaders in QB pressures during that time too, something that is as important as sacks because it forces bad throws, creates turnovers, etc etc. Just tracking sacks is a poor barometer for evaluating the play of a DE. I've never once in my life seen a sack become a completed pass for a td. But I've seen hundreds of qb pressures result in tds. Just saying..... 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in STL Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 (edited) 19 hours ago, Ethan in Cleveland said: What other term would you use for Epenesa? I've not called Basham a bust yet. He's been underwhelming at best for q 2nd round pick. He is a 3rd year player that had zero development his rookie year due to COVID when he, for some strange reason, trained wrong and reported to camp too small to play DE. He has since rebuilt his body and his strength. He has 3.5 sacks in 10 games this season and is a rotational DE on a pretty stacked DL. He has 3.5 sacks, 1 forced fumble, 1 fumble recovered and 4 passes defended - not setting the world on fire but he is contributing. On a pace for 6 sacks if healthy. I can give you long list of Bills first round draft busts that never did this much. It is too early to call him a bust, but with the benefit of hindsight we could all list better players that could have been picked. Edited November 26, 2022 by Bob in STL 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 42 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said: I've never once in my life seen a sack become a completed pass for a td. But I've seen hundreds of qb pressures result in tds. Just saying..... And I've never seen a sack become an interception. But I've seen plenty of QB pressures result in an interception. Pressure creates mistakes and guys who create that pressure regularly are every bit as valuable as guys that pick up sacks occasionally. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted November 26, 2022 Share Posted November 26, 2022 2 hours ago, newcam2012 said: I like Shaw a lot. He is really solid and dependable. Often not flashy but he doesn't make a lot of mistakes. Very good on the run. I've seen years of Epenesa and I'm hoping he's not with the team next year. I don't think he's very good. He misses gaps like crazy and often that's how you know he's on the field. Granted he's made a few plays this year. I'll give you that. The Bills can and should do better than him. Maybe so. Until that time comes, we should use him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted November 26, 2022 Share Posted November 26, 2022 1 hour ago, LABILLBACKER said: I've never once in my life seen a sack become a completed pass for a td. But I've seen hundreds of qb pressures result in tds. Just saying..... I’ve never seen a sack turn into an interception either. See you can play that coin on both sides. You want to fixate on what 5 or 6 more single plays a year, literally that’s what you’re complaining about, because if he had 4.5 sacks but got 6 more it would be 10.5 and you’d be begging to keep him. Yet there are lots of people who get a few more sacks than Hughes but no where near the amount of pressures he had. I will take the guy who more frequently impacts the game over some guy who had a few more sacks but did very little else. Sack numbers are grossly over rated. Yes there are guys who pile them up and Frequently disrupt the game, but there a lot more who 7-10 sacks and suck outside of those few sacks. Hughes was for us, and still is, a VERY good and disruptive DE that all opposing teams are forced to game plan for. It’s not really even open for debate. 2 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo03 Posted November 26, 2022 Share Posted November 26, 2022 4 hours ago, Buffalo03 said: He has had no more than 4.5 sacks in his last 3 years with us. He's having a good year this year. Does that mean his previous years with us which he did next to nothing should be ignored? Lol. I get people that dislike this when they react. Do you all like players that get 4 sacks or less a season? I don't get it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo03 Posted November 26, 2022 Share Posted November 26, 2022 4 hours ago, NewEra said: No. It means that hes never played this this group of DTs and opposite Von Miller before……. O it means that his sack totals from years past don’t mean that he wouldn’t have more this year. He’s always been one of the better pass rushers in the league, regardless of his sack total. He has played with pretty much everyone besides Von. Rousseau was here last year, Epenesa was here, Oliver was here, you mean to tell me he would be that much different? Just now, Buffalo03 said: He has played with pretty much everyone besides Von. Rousseau was here last year, Epenesa was here, Oliver was here, you mean to tell me he would be that much different? So, he goes from 3 sacks a year to 6 in this defense opposite Von. Whoopty doo. Give him a $50 million dollar deal. What are we doing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted November 26, 2022 Share Posted November 26, 2022 Has anyone ever played a sport and "played through" a torn meniscus? I'm wondering how much it will affect him. Will he still be the guy we've seen to this point, which is at times dominating? Is it just pain tolerance, or does it affect strength & quickness? I think he still bring a ton to the table, even if he's not 100%. In a short period of time, he has become the heart & soul of this D. I think I'll be happy if he plays the rest of the season, even if it's not as effective. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted November 26, 2022 Share Posted November 26, 2022 6 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said: He did his best Edmunds impression on that ball that was thrown right to him though. They finally have reached the season where they miss Edmunds when he is not out there but watching Klein play is a reminder that an instinctive LB can be good enough. RB knocked it out of his hands. It was a good play by the opponent 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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