Wayne Arnold Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 It's PFF so "grain of salt" alert. Considering the D only gave up 21 points to an offense that looked great the week before, I'm a bit surprised. Also, did Cam Lewis not play? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 I feel he was late on TD and got burned by Waddle. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 he got burned a couple times but overall not bad. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 Sometimes it is hard to say because much of his play is based on what doesn't happen, ie, what he takes away. We will need to see a bigger sample size. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 Not sure how to quantify what we saw in such a weird game where the Miami O was rarely on the field. What I do think, is that talent is talent.. and talent in this system shines through. For all the talk of Elam/Benford, and Benford is good.. Elam is that guy. 3 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 His inexperience really showed on the Waddle reception and the TD. However, he wasn't ready to see the field and would never have come close to playing had it not been for extraordinary circumstances. I am certainly not going to judge him too harshly after one game and under those circumstances. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 I don’t think it’s much debate, if Miami had the ball more they certainly had the potential to put up big numbers. The defense largely held their own. The time of possession probably saved them from giving up more. I didn’t expect them to play at a high level but they did outplay my expectations for the game. Johnson wasn’t without flaws. He certainly looked like he’d be more effective in the box vs playing center field. He’s looking to lay the lumber that’s for sure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBear Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 I expect there to be some bumps along the road over the next few weeks, but I think these young safeties will be more than adequate by the midway mark of the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubes Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 If we can get Poyer and Dane back this week, I'd start feeling a lot better. Nice to see Elam and Hamlin got good grades. Overall, aside of course from the 3rd and 22, the defense really did a nice job yesterday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ya Digg? Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 He had mistakes (should be expected in his first start) but I actually thought he was pretty good. I don't fault him at all for the penalty he got, not really sure what else he was supposed to do. Was late on the bomb to Waddle, but I don't think he played as bad as his grade was Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 (edited) And that was against Tua. I know he's having a good year but he's probably one of the worst QB's on the schedule. We need to get healthy quick before we play a team that can actually throw. Baltimore, KC, GB is the meat of our schedule coming up Edited September 26, 2022 by KDIGGZ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 Give him a few more games, but they need to seriously consider a trade. Or when White comes back consider moving him to safety or perhaps Benford. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 (edited) 42 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said: It's PFF so "grain of salt" alert. Considering the D only gave up 21 points to an offense that looked great the week before, I'm a bit surprised. Also, did Cam Lewis not play? Couple of notes...I wouldn't judge the grade of the individual players based on the final score. Bills ran 93 offensive plays compared to their 39. They still got 21 points to our 19. The lower stats and score by Miami was a function of our offense being on the field at a better than 2 to 1 advantage. So the fact Tua and Hill didn't have big stat total days, isn't reflective on how well the D played or how bad the Miami offense played. We just kept their offense off the field. That being said, I didn't notice Johnson being so bad as to warrant a 26.7 grade, but also, there was a lot going on and a lot ot pay attention to this game with all the injuries. So maybe a deeper look at the All22 will show he struggled some. But I didn't particuarly notice anything that made me look at him as a total liability this game as this score suggests. Edited September 26, 2022 by Alphadawg7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 56 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: His inexperience really showed on the Waddle reception and the TD. However, he wasn't ready to see the field and would never have come close to playing had it not been for extraordinary circumstances. I am certainly not going to judge him too harshly after one game and under those circumstances. It’s tough to say he’s not ready to see the field… He’s been in the league four years If he’s not ready to see the field now he’s not an NFL player What he did have to do was play defense with a bunch of guys he’s never played with before… 2nd 3rd stringers in the secondary which makes passing zone coverages much harder 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiltonWaddams Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 Hot take- When Dane and Tre return, Benford slides to safety. Just a thought...but it has merit. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnNord Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 4 minutes ago, MiltonWaddams said: Hot take- When Dane and Tre return, Benford slides to safety. Just a thought...but it has merit. Benford might be injured Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiltonWaddams Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 Just now, JohnNord said: Benford might be injured Might be? He has a broken hand. He is definitely injured. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Rc2catch said: I don’t think it’s much debate, if Miami had the ball more they certainly had the potential to put up big numbers. The defense largely held their own. The time of possession probably saved them from giving up more. I didn’t expect them to play at a high level but they did outplay my expectations for the game. Johnson wasn’t without flaws. He certainly looked like he’d be more effective in the box vs playing center field. He’s looking to lay the lumber that’s for sure Part of the reason Miami didn't have the ball more is they went 3 and out 3 times in the 2nd half and punted 5 times. 7 minutes ago, MiltonWaddams said: Hot take- When Dane and Tre return, Benford slides to safety. Just a thought...but it has merit. No. Can we just stop with this silliness already? Edited September 26, 2022 by Big Turk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 He was toasted by Waddle on the 3rd and 22 completion. You don’t realize how much Poyer and Hyde are missed until you have a couple of JAGS out there. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 1 hour ago, Wayne Arnold said: It's PFF so "grain of salt" alert. Considering the D only gave up 21 points to an offense that looked great the week before, I'm a bit surprised. Also, did Cam Lewis not play? The way I look at it is, he did enough for us to win the game. We just didn’t. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 Grades on a game by game basis don't mean that much and can be influenced heavily by a couple of big plays in either direction like the TD he gave up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 (edited) 2 minutes ago, buffaloboyinATL said: The way I look at it is, he did enough for us to win the game. We just didn’t. Bills did more than enough on D that they should have won by multiple scores. I said prior to the game the Dolphins wouldn't get to more than 24 points. I was right. I also said the Bills would score much more than that and I was wrong... Edited September 26, 2022 by Big Turk 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 1 hour ago, Wayne Arnold said: It's PFF so "grain of salt" alert. Considering the D only gave up 21 points to an offense that looked great the week before, I'm a bit surprised. Also, did Cam Lewis not play? Singular game grades really need to be taken with a grain of salt, especially where covering Hill and Waddle are concerned. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 8 minutes ago, Bangarang said: He was toasted by Waddle on the 3rd and 22 completion. You don’t realize how much Poyer and Hyde are missed until you have a couple of JAGS out there. Hyde and Poyer are a top tandem no doubt. But it’s not like over the years Buffalo hasn’t still given up crazy 3rd downs by playing soft coverages with a fully healthy secondary. The odds are better of course Poyer or Hyde make a play but they’ve given up their fair share as well. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 Being slow in processing as a Saefty is much worse, than LB or DL. The further back you are on defense the faster you have to react and read the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 He was directly responsible for two of the TD’s, esp if you include his unnecessary roughness penalty. he strikes me as more of your traditional strong safety— good tackler and blitzer. Not sure he is that good in coverage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorin' Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 1 hour ago, Rubes said: If we can get Poyer and Dane back this week, I'd start feeling a lot better. Nice to see Elam and Hamlin got good grades. Overall, aside of course from the 3rd and 22, the defense really did a nice job yesterday. Getting at least Poyer back will be huge... And I don't blame the D as much as the call on the 3 and 22. We only rushed 3 and covered underneath leaving the 2 safeties all alone deep. Should have blitzed with quarters coverage over the top and not given Tua enough time to throw deep. Force him to dump off underneath. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nosejob Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 1 hour ago, Bangarang said: He was toasted by Waddle on the 3rd and 22 completion. You don’t realize how much Poyer and Hyde are missed until you have a couple of JAGS out there. Anybody would have been toasted when they call a defensive front that gave Tua all day to throw. He could have had a glass of iced tea. It was 4 against 6-7 all day in that heat and on the most important play of the game, they decide not to dial up some pressure to get an errant/quick/off timing throw and prevent a 22...or 45 yd. pass. Nope, that kind of quick (albeit it common sense) decision in critical situations is just not in the McFrazier wheelhouse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 3 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: I feel he was late on TD and got burned by Waddle. Jaquan's strength is tackling, not speed or coverage. PFF was a little rough on him but it wasn't his best effort. Gotta get Poyer back soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtVandalay Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 (edited) On 9/26/2022 at 2:44 PM, billsfan1959 said: His inexperience really showed on the Waddle reception and the TD. However, he wasn't ready to see the field and would never have come close to playing had it not been for extraordinary circumstances. I am certainly not going to judge him too harshly after one game and under those circumstances. He's been in the team for 4 years now, he's about to turn 27 years old, at what point is it no longer too soon??? He looked like a special teamer playing saftey... Small, slow, behind the play every time. Edited September 29, 2022 by ArtVandalay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 (edited) 19 minutes ago, ArtVandalay said: He's been in the team for 4 years now, he's about to turn 27 years old, at what point is it no longer too soon??? He looked like a special teamer playing saftey... Small, slow, behind the play every time. This is simply not true if it was true tua been throwing to that area you’re making that up Edited September 29, 2022 by John from Riverside 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 (edited) On 9/27/2022 at 3:16 AM, Wayne Arnold said: It's PFF so "grain of salt" alert. Considering the D only gave up 21 points to an offense that looked great the week before, I'm a bit surprised. Also, did Cam Lewis not play? I think he had two or three genuinely bad plays, but overall the secondary was surprisingly solid. But a few bad plays that turned into big plays can - I would think - mess up a grade pretty good. For who was playing, I was really happy with the pass defense overall. But those two plays .... yikes. Still, the guy has played 265 career defensive snaps. He needs playing time but shows every sign of being able to handle it and improve as he gets more snaps. Edited September 29, 2022 by Thurman#1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 The advanced passing statistics for 4 and 3 were both very bad, I wouldn’t be shocked if Rhodes was brought in to replace Hyde. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtVandalay Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 3 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: This is simply not true if it was true tua been throwing to that area you’re making that up Watch the game John. He was throwing at him lmao Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 2 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said: I think he had two or three genuinely bad plays, but overall the secondary was surprisingly solid. But a few bad plays that turned into big plays can - I would think - mess up a grade pretty good. For who was playing, I was really happy with the pass defense overall. But those two plays .... yikes. Our CB play has been great, our LBers have been phenomenal in coverage also which helped. Believe it or not, Taron Johnson has the worst passing stats of anyone so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 1 minute ago, ArtVandalay said: Watch the game John. He was throwing at him lmao Not very much art I suggest you watch the game again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 On 9/27/2022 at 4:58 AM, BullBuchanan said: Grades on a game by game basis don't mean that much and can be influenced heavily by a couple of big plays in either direction like the TD he gave up. Yes, this. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 On 9/26/2022 at 11:45 AM, Rc2catch said: I don’t think it’s much debate, if Miami had the ball more they certainly had the potential to put up big numbers. The defense largely held their own. The time of possession probably saved them from giving up more. I didn’t expect them to play at a high level but they did outplay my expectations for the game. Johnson wasn’t without flaws. He certainly looked like he’d be more effective in the box vs playing center field. He’s looking to lay the lumber that’s for sure The Bills defense forced Miami to punt 5 times out of 8 drives and gave up two long TD drives and another TD on a turnover inside the 10. Considering that the Bills were out 5-6 starters on defense along with additional role/depth players I consider that to be a decent day. If you exclude the drive that started inside the 10 on an offensive turnover the Bills held Miami to 5 punts on 7 drives or about a 29% TD give-up rate by the defense. The league average of drives that end in TD's is about 26% however the percentage of drives that end in a score (field goal or TD) is 41%. So you can parse it out any which way but I would say the defense delivered an average outcome against an offense that is most likely an above-average NFL offense. Add in the circumstances and it is much more impressive. You can lawyer the numbers any way you want but to the eye test, the defense played well enough to win. Had the offense not turned the ball over deep in their own territory the game could have easily been a 17 or less point affair by the defense. As far as Johnson I think he was subpar but he is being integrated into the defense with players he never played with consistently before. I think if you get Poyer next to him and settle him down with more snaps things will be fine for him long term even if there are some sort term growing pains. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albany,n.y. Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 He got a C grade in the Athletic, 26th of the 31 grades. He had the lowest grade of the defense. The final 5 lower grades were all on the O-line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtVandalay Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 6 hours ago, John from Riverside said: Not very much art I suggest you watch the game again John, who was the TD pass thrown at? Who was the 45 yard gain to Waddle thrown at? Who was the Edmonds red zone pass attempt thrown at? Every big play and scoring opp thrown at him plus others during the game. Half of Tuas yardage was at him. His line TD pass, his big play on 3rd and long, red zone targets. You watched the game, you list me offall the good plays he made. I'll wait. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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