strive_for_five_guy Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 8 hours ago, Einstein said: With how good Benford looks, and with Elam’s contributions coming partially on special teams tonight, it leads the mind to wonder what other 1st round pick we could have acquired rather than a DB that is a depth player in a backfield that is missing it’s starter. How did Josh Allen do is his first few games, season, etc.? Beane and McDermott play the long game with their players. Way too early for this discussion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 Am I concerned about Elam? Maybe the question should be are we pleasantly surprised about Benford. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 1 minute ago, Big Turk said: Again, Benford played a very similar scheme in college to what the Bills play now while Elam was predominately man and needed to learn off ball coverage. Benford clearly had an advantage in terms of understanding how to play and his comfort level in the scheme. Elam hasn't been bad, Benford just is ahead of him in his comfort level in the scheme and has played well from the word go...he earned the start. Don't be worried, be happy they found another gem at DB in the late rounds. Elam is going to be fine and rotated in last night playing about even time with Benford from what they said and looked good. Honestly was there a player who didn't look good on D? Agree. Benford had an easier transition based on what he played in college. Wasn't like Elam played poorly in his snaps. What a find Benford looks. They did it with Levi and have done again with Dane. But they both had to be brought along slowly. Benford is more physically gifted than both and hits the ground running. Very exciting. White, Jackson, Benford, Elam we might end up being four legit players deep at outside corner. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dat Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 I am much more concerned that we did not get to see our new punter kick. Which if i check my notes.... is a flat 0.0 TCL (Total Concern Level) So running the numbers with Elam vs Benford and adjustments for draft position is at a -3.2 TCL, which coincidentaly is at the "just beat the defending SB champs on the road across the country in front of a national audience, with a belly full of wings and beer" level of concern. All kidding aside, I am so happy that this coaching group does not take any of this into consideration. Best players on the field regardless of draft position, pay, age, vet or rookie mean nothing, make plays and put in the effort. (See OJ Howard, Cody Ford vs Matt Milano, Spencer Brown) 1 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Agree. Benford had an easier transition based on what he played in college. Wasn't like Elam played poorly in his snaps. What a find Benford looks. They did it with Levi and have done again with Dane. But they both had to be brought along slowly. Benford is more physically gifted than both and hits the ground running. Very exciting. White, Jackson, Benford, Elam we might end up being four legit players deep at outside corner. When White comes back...can we really pull Dane Jackson out? Do you think it's White and Jackson starting after week 4? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 Has there been any information about how they were substituting the two? i noticed Elam would come in situationally but never saw which situations and the factors. Both played well and are good for pairing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dawolv Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 I think they went with the bigger body to start, it wasn’t like Elam didn’t play. And both played reasonably well given the outcome! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChasBB Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 Let's see ... a rookie, in his first-ever NFL game, playing the reigning Super Bowl champs on the road at arguably the toughest position in football, fails to perform flawlessly and I'm supposed to be concerned? No way. It's called growing pains. He'll be fine. C'mon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DasNootz Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 The fact that we don't need to rush/force a first round pick is a blessing. Both had meaningful snaps last night and both played well for their roles. Having depth isn't a bad thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 26 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: When White comes back...can we really pull Dane Jackson out? Do you think it's White and Jackson starting after week 4? Well they won't rush White. But I suspect Dane still gets 1st shot at the other spot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 8 hours ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said: Honestly, I am more concerned about Cook. 1st NFL carry and he fumbled. I thought he would be featured a lot more, but threw himself in the dog house immediately which is not good in his case. We all know how McD feels about fumble issues. As Josh said in his press conf. yesterday... "One play doesnt make a player who they are" or something like that and he was referring specifically to the Cook play. It sucks that it happened but he'll be back. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 Didn't he have 16 coverage snaps with 0 catches allowed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 1 hour ago, Royale with Cheese said: When White comes back...can we really pull Dane Jackson out? Do you think it's White and Jackson starting after week 4? Good question. I have no idea what the Bills will do. Jackson played pretty well too. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 1 minute ago, Scott7975 said: Good question. I have no idea what the Bills will do. Jackson played pretty well too. I would say rotate Jackson, Elam, Benford based on what matchups they think are best 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmart128 Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 Nope... Elam got a lot of reps in 2nd half. I think we are just gonna rotate between the 2 to keep our them fresh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Udubalum07 Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 The way I see it Benford was being talked about as one of the best performers all camp. Not just for being a rookie, but in general one of the best players in camp. This is why it's important to have volume drafts. First round hit rates are much better, but there are a lot of lower picks, including the two all pro safeties, that are day 3 pick stars. Sometimes people get too caught up in draft position. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBear Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 No. Looks like Beane hit it outta the park by finding two good NFL starting cornerbacks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 1 hour ago, Royale with Cheese said: When White comes back...can we really pull Dane Jackson out? Do you think it's White and Jackson starting after week 4? Agree Jackson and White. But i don't see the Bills playing Tre till he gets at least 4 weeks practice in...so i think they will take him off PUP end of WK 4, activate him bye week, plays the Sunday nighter VS the Pack... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 1 minute ago, plenzmd1 said: Agree Jackson and White. But i don't see the Bills playing Tre till he gets at least 4 weeks practice in...so i think they will take him off PUP end of WK 4, activate him bye week, plays the Sunday nighter VS the Pack... I think that'll drive Tre crazy. He wants to be out there. I'm guessing he plays week 5. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said: I think that'll drive Tre crazy. He wants to be out there. I'm guessing he plays week 5. you're guessing wrong😃 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 1 minute ago, plenzmd1 said: you're guessing wrong😃 The Packer game would be an 11 month recovery time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said: The Packer game would be an 11 month recovery time. yep...Stadium beer at the Vikings game..you say week 5, i say Packer game! Free beer for me!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 No. He is a rookie, and will get better with experience. This Defense will be dominant, especially with that pass rush from 4 guys. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scuba guy Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 So we were at the game. Most of the time on d I focused on the d line and what they were doing. Hence most of the garbage stat kupp had last night when he had big catches were from pick plays. Yes he plays out of the slot put the Rams bring him acrossed the field and someone is always cutting into that zone defender and hitting them. Yes should be a flag but You mite want to look at the qb stats in the game to see how many yards we gave up and who was covering that person. Elam played man in college The bills play zone Learning curve Please step away from the ledge 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
716er Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 Elam played well Benford played well Sweet 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 No. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 4 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: yep...Stadium beer at the Vikings game..you say week 5, i say Packer game! Free beer for me!!!!! I'm confirmed for the Browns game on 11/20. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 We should be pumped that we have to stud rookie corners playing well and Tredavious is almost healthy and ready to return. Dane Jackson is a starter also. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 My biggest concern with Elam is that Dane Jackson is a player. I think in year two he is already better than Levi Wallace and is a guy the Bills should plan on extending. I mean no disrespect to Elams game, but it feels like in that case it could be a wasted first who spends the next 4 years being CB3 behind Jackson and Tre. Really high on Jackson last night. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 I don’t know how PFF grades coverage. Do they only get graded when thrown at? I’m guessing that’s the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 5 hours ago, mjt328 said: The way Dane Jackson looked, both rookies are going to be watching from the sidelines a good chunk of the season. Yes. Dane is also a RFA next year. I get the feeling Beane will have some great options as to how he handles the whole CB situation. If Dane isn't on the team next year Beane will get a pick for him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 13 hours ago, Einstein said: With how good Benford looks, and with Elam’s contributions coming partially on special teams tonight, it leads the mind to wonder what other 1st round pick we could have acquired rather than a DB that is a depth player in a backfield that is missing it’s starter. 13 hours ago, stevestojan said: We just dominated the world champs, while giving them the ball 4 times. I was there. It was awesome. Give us 24 hours to just enjoy it? You are worrying about this when the Bills are about to build a brand new stadium with a big old hole right smack dab in the middle of the roof?! Jeepers Creepers, prioritize things!! (Now where did I put my “That’s Incredible” host trading cards, dang it?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted September 9, 2022 Author Share Posted September 9, 2022 37 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: I don’t know how PFF grades coverage. Do they only get graded when thrown at? I’m guessing that’s the case. Ouch 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 13 hours ago, Einstein said: With how good Benford looks, and with Elam’s contributions coming partially on special teams tonight, it leads the mind to wonder what other 1st round pick we could have acquired rather than a DB that is a depth player in a backfield that is missing it’s starter. Well, at the moment, it's looking like that was a miss. Our drafting hasn't been great; it's the only flaw on Beane's resume. BUT I'm not writing Elam off just now. Needs more time to evaluate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 Just now, Nextmanup said: Well, at the moment, it's looking like that was a miss. Our drafting hasn't been great; it's the only flaw on Beane's resume. BUT I'm not writing Elam off just now. Needs more time to evaluate. Whats wrong with Beane's drafting? Elam was brought in because sometimes you need to play man coverage, and he's a bigger faster man coverage style corner. He needs some work to fit into the total defensive scheme, but he'll get there. And if he doesn't - its pretty cool when a 2020 7th rounder and 2022 6th rounder don't look even slightly out of place. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtVandalay Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 (edited) 13 hours ago, Einstein said: With how good Benford looks, and with Elam’s contributions coming partially on special teams tonight, it leads the mind to wonder what other 1st round pick we could have acquired rather than a DB that is a depth player in a backfield that is missing it’s starter. The obvious call is Breece Hall. Too soon to make any determination what so ever. But in a couple years could be talked about. Edited September 9, 2022 by ArtVandalay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacklabel Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 13 hours ago, stevestojan said: We just dominated the world champs, while giving them the ball 4 times. I was there. It was awesome. Give us 24 hours to just enjoy it? You know that's not how any of this works, man! Bills could win the Super Bowl with a game more perfect than the Wild Card game against the Pats and some knucklehead would be like "yeah but the defense allowed 5 first downs and I'm concerned." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RocCityRoller Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 3 hours ago, Mango said: My biggest concern with Elam is that Dane Jackson is a player. I think in year two he is already better than Levi Wallace and is a guy the Bills should plan on extending. I mean no disrespect to Elams game, but it feels like in that case it could be a wasted first who spends the next 4 years being CB3 behind Jackson and Tre. Really high on Jackson last night. So the Bills may have too many good CBs in a passing league, even with a 1st rounder needing some time to acclimate to the NFL? Talk about first world problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 41 minutes ago, Einstein said: Ouch Context Einstein, context. Elam played late in the game when the game was over and the D as a whole was letting Stafford play pitch and catch for short yardage gains. Let's just give it some time to see how things play out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 No. Next! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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