Haack and Austin Cut per WGR

[extrahammer]

Haack was due to make close to $2 million this year. Considering the thought we probably didn't even need a punter the last 3/4th's of last season, this was overdue. 

[lookylookyherecomescookie]

2 hours ago, Bangarang said:

Great, now Haack is going to get picked up by the Patriots and punt to us for the next 10 years 

one can only hope

[Ralonzo]

2 hours ago, ddaryl said:

They must be satisfied by what they see in practice. We know he's got the holding thing down... I really wanted to see what he could do with hangtime and pinning opponents inside the 20 on a shorter field... 

 

The truth is, PG won the job before the preseason started, with the one caveat being "if he can hold."  When he held in the first two games for a 100% success rate, that just made it official.

[RiotAct]

2 hours ago, Beck Water said:

https://www.buffalobills.com/news/bills-release-two-players

 

Weird how the Bills website titles it "a punter and a wide receiver" c'mon Jenkins "Senior Director of Content" these guys have names.

 

Two down,  two to go

“One simple trick for learning about future cuts”

9 minutes ago, extrahammer said:

Haack was due to make close to $2 million this year. Considering the thought we probably didn't even need a punter the last 3/4th's of last season, this was overdue. 

lol

[FLFan]

2 hours ago, Bangarang said:

Great, now Haack is going to get picked up by the Patriots and punt to us for the next 10 years 

I hope so. 

[boater]

2 hours ago, Boyst62 said:

Belinda

I haven't heard that one in a long time.

[NewEra]

2 hours ago, Warcodered said:

And future cut Duke Johnson he seemed like a solid dude in his post game interview.

Agreed.  This was a great situation for him….until we drafted James Cook.  His date was sealed the second cook was drafted imo

2 hours ago, Beck Water said:

 

From first round draft pick to "I hope he gets added to someone's practice squad" LOL

 

I wonder if Austin would take that offer?  John Brown did IIRC but Brown didn't have the same pedigree (or salary) in his prior years in the league

PS > cfl or retired.  Pretty sure he would.  

[26TrapDraw]

2 hours ago, ddaryl said:

I'm surprised at the Haack cut. I thought they would of wanted to see more of Matt in different situations.

They must be satisfied by what they see in practice. We know he's got the holding thing down... I really wanted to see what he could do with hangtime and pinning opponents inside the 20 on a shorter field... 

But lets face it, we were all in on the anyone but Haack movement.

Who gives a damn about who the punter is . Short of collecting unemployment he’s stealing money. Easiest job in the NFL this season.

[stevestojan]

2 hours ago, Boyst62 said:

Belinda

Nothing to add other than I appreciate the blast from the past with a Belinda post. 

[The Dean]

2 hours ago, Boyst62 said:

Belinda

 

I miss Belinda. Wonder if she ever checks in?

[Augie]

2 hours ago, Warcodered said:

Cutting Haack now is being kind to him, maybe he gets a job somewhere else now.

 

Getting him the first punt in our last game was more of the same, I believe. Trying to do the right thing by him. Players notice that stuff. 

[ColoradoBills]

Austin cost them nothing and was only a PR insurance policy.  Looks like Shakir is the primary guy.

Haack was a swing and a miss.  They wanted a guy that created a lot of fair catches but Miami weather is not Buffalo weather.

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

3 hours ago, HOUSE said:

I wish them both well. Thanks for your interest in the Buffalo Bills.

Agreed.  A least a letter of rejection tops showing up for work / practice, and finding you no longer have employment.

*
"Hey, my 'swipe in' card for parking won't open the gate!"

*
"My name and number fell off my locker cubby.  Can you have Maintenance attach a new one?  What?!"

*
 

Edited August 22, 2022 by Ridgewaycynic2013

[Chandler#81]

AH- Men!

 

[Ralonzo]

2 hours ago, Charles Romes said:

Haack put two perfect kicks on tape in the preseason and applied needed pressure on Araiza. Hopefully he’s picked up and the organization looks good for helping out both kickers.  The front office realizes Araiza could literally cost us a game or two this year, but it’s worth the risk for the potential rewards over the next decade. 

 

Haack arguably cost us one game last year, and damn near another. His potential to contribute to a win - or break even on WOR for that matter - was nil. Araiza may have a marginally greater chance to hurt as a rookie, but a far greater chance to help now and going forward. Obviously.

[Sierra Foothills]

2 hours ago, Beck Water said:

 

How do you figure Araiza could "literally cost us a game or two" this year?

 

Theoretically there are at least 3 ways any punter/holder can cost his team a game.

 

1) Poor hang time/outkicking the coverage resulting in a long punt return leading to a score. Araiza had these issues in college.

2) Taking too long to release the punt causing the punt to get blocked, leading to a score. Has anyone been timing his release?

3) Botching a hold on a FG attempt. This could happen to anyone at anytime. It's probably more likely with an inexperienced holder which Araiza is.

 

 

1 hour ago, Cheektowaga Chad said:

If you are a football team going into a brand new season and your thoughts on your punter are "he may cost us a game or 2" that guy needs to be cut 

 

I don't think our punter will have that amount of pull on this team to cost us anything 

 

None of us have a crystal ball. There's a scenario where one bad play affects the outcome of one game which affects the standings which affects home field seeding.

 

The selection of Araiza as the punter is one of risk/reward.

 

McDermott et al are guessing/predicting/hoping that Araiza will increase the win probabilities of the games and/or that his mistakes won't cost us anything.

 

 

 

[ColoradoBills]

33 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said:

AH- Men!

 

 

I got to think after seeing Matt Araiza's interviews and his calm low-profile demeanor, he must cringe at all this punt god stuff.

Now that he made the team, I will use MA when mentioning him in future posts.

[Warriorspikes51]

Assuming the Bills keep 7 WR

Diggs
Davis
McKenzie

Shakir

Crowder

Hodgins

Kumerow

*Add OBJ and Kumerow is released

[Chandler#81]

1 minute ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

I got to think after seeing Matt Araiza's interviews and his calm low-profile demeanor, he must cringe at all this punt god stuff.

Now that he made the team, I will use MA when mentioning him in future posts.

Well, Bravo to you! 😏

 

He’s The Punt God now & forever, Amen.

[Beck Water]

7 minutes ago, Sierra Foothills said:

 

Theoretically there are at least 3 ways any punter/holder can cost his team a game.

 

1) Poor hang time/outkicking the coverage resulting in a long punt return leading to a score. Araiza had these issues in college.

2) Taking too long to release the punt causing the punt to get blocked, leading to a score. Has anyone been timing his release?

3) Botching a hold on a FG attempt. This could happen to anyone at anytime. It's probably more likely with an inexperienced holder which Araiza is.

 

 

Fair on all 3 points.

 

As far as Puntapalooza with the choices of Haack vs Araiza -

1) with Haack there was the opposite problem of shanks and botched snaps

2) long release/too many steps/blocked punts a problem with Haack before and during his time here

3) Granted this is an advantage to Haack.  He was a solid solid holder.

[Utah John]

Players get a fair shot at making the Bills roster, but it's still a very tough challenge to get there, or stay there.  If someone else can do the job even a little better, you're gone.  And Haack, despite not being as bad last year as his talent and history suggest were his norm, just wasn't good enough last year.  

 

Haack punted twice in preseason, and both were good solid professional punts.  He's a solid player, and some other team will grab him because he's better than they guy they currently have.

[NeverOutNick]

16 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

I got to think after seeing Matt Araiza's interviews and his calm low-profile demeanor, he must cringe at all this punt god stuff.

Now that he made the team, I will use MA when mentioning him in future posts.

100% agree brother! Hope we eventually come up with something that’ll make him feels more comfortable sooner rather than later. Don’t want him getting in his head with this silly nickname that he doesn’t even like. 

[ColoradoBills]

19 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said:

Well, Bravo to you! 😏

 

He’s The Punt God now & forever, Amen.

 

LOL.  I know and it's probably only a result of the nuns at St Josaphat's!

 

3 minutes ago, NeverOutNick said:

100% agree brother! Hope we eventually come up with something that’ll make him feels more comfortable sooner rather than later. Don’t want him getting in his head with this silly nickname that he doesn’t even like. 

 

I doubt that will happen.  I'm just going to do what feels right for me.

[Saint Doug]

I had no idea Tavon Austin played for that many teams. Patsies is probably his next stop. 

[CSBill]

Well this takes all the fun out of the preseason. Now what do we do?

[WMDman]

congrats to the punt god

 

hope Tavon ends up on the PS

[Simon Says]

4 hours ago, Draconator said:

Well that opens up #3 for OBJ

How do you figure? Austin wasn't the #3

[clayboy54]

2 hours ago, julian said:

Even for a below average punter the odds of directly losing a game from a poor punt is so small it’s not even worth consideration.

 

Not saying it’s never happened or couldn’t happen but it’s unlikely.

Back in the late 1960s, Paul Maguire had a couple that might have been just that. Once, while punting from his endzone, he hit the goalpost, (which was on the goalline at that time). That cost us because it was ruled a safety. On another one I remember, Paul was punting from deep in our own end and he kicked the ball into the backside of the up-back. As I recall, that cost us 7 in the ensuing plays.

 

I also remember in one of those wind games at the Rockpile, Paul skyed one and the wind caught it. It actually sailed backward landing behind him. Again as I remember, that cost us 7.

 

Lord know, I can't remember if we lost those games, but we didn't win many during those years. Someone else might remember those games better.

 

So, yeah. A punter can affect the result of a game.

[Just Jack]

Ah man, I just bought their jerseys! 

[ticketssince61]

5 hours ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said:

This may help explain why the Bills sent Haack to punt in the Denver game despite Araiza needing reps—Beane doing Haack a solid in showcasing a decent punt right before the cut?

  

or maybe trying to see if could get 7th round pick for Haack?

[Freddie's Dead]

Hit the road Haack, and dontcha come back no mo' no mo' no mo' no mo'....

[BADOLBILZ]

4 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

Damn…. The way fans were talking about Austin just a few weeks ago I thought Allen was going to make him an all pro. 😅

 

 

There were some people who were pretty cross about those of us with any common sense who could see that Austin isn't a rosterable NFL player anymore.    He's a guy who maybe comes off the PS and gives you a few weeks of playing out the string before you and your regime get fired.    Like he did in Jax last year.   Nice guy but he's toast as a player.

4 hours ago, StHustle said:

Pads came on and his disappeared. Bills let him run his commercial during the end of the game Saturday. Hopefully that earns him another look on a team who can use a decent PR and vet presence in the WR room. The Bills isn’t that team this year.

 

 

Definite validity in the pad aspect.    Young players struggle when the pads come on because their lack of skill/technique gets exposed.........old one's just get physically diminished by the contact.

 

But anyone looking for a decent PR or KOR is SOL going with Austin.    He's been bad at both for almost all of his career and done next to none of it since 2016.    

[Doc]

4 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

Damn…. The way fans were talking about Austin just a few weeks ago I thought Allen was going to make him an all pro. 😅

 

Yup.  Right around the same time we were talking about Shakir...

 

4 hours ago, BigPappy said:

We know Araiza has the leg for the long punts and that's great. But, has he demonstrated that he also has the touch for pinning a team deep? I'm not sold on releasing Haack is a good thing. At least not yet.  

 

Why?  What was so great about Haack?

[julian]

58 minutes ago, clayboy54 said:

Back in the late 1960s, Paul Maguire had a couple that might have been just that. Once, while punting from his endzone, he hit the goalpost, (which was on the goalline at that time). That cost us because it was ruled a safety. On another one I remember, Paul was punting from deep in our own end and he kicked the ball into the backside of the up-back. As I recall, that cost us 7 in the ensuing plays.

 

I also remember in one of those wind games at the Rockpile, Paul skyed one and the wind caught it. It actually sailed backward landing behind him. Again as I remember, that cost us 7.

 

Lord know, I can't remember if we lost those games, but we didn't win many during those years. Someone else might remember those games better.

 

So, yeah. A punter can affect the result of a game.

Yeah there’s no doubt it can happen, but the fact you’re pulling up instances from the stone ages is kind of my point.

[Draconator]

1 hour ago, Georgie said:

How do you figure? Austin wasn't the #3

You can’t be serious

[bigK14094]

6 hours ago, Draconator said:

Well that opens up #3 for OBJ

Hope not.  don't need the BA

[The Red King]

20 minutes ago, bigK14094 said:

Hope not.  don't need the BA

 

But can The Process fix that?  Remember, Diggs supposedly had a BA.  Did OBJ show any BA with the Rams?  Honest question, I'm curious.

[Doc]

4 minutes ago, The Red King said:

But can The Process fix that?  Remember, Diggs supposedly had a BA.  Did OBJ show any BA with the Rams?  Honest question, I'm curious.

It’s a different situation than when he was a highly-paid wide receiver in a big market like New York City.  Now he’ll be playing on a per game contract and joining a team already in the playoffs (by the time he’s healed). The bigger question is whether he will be any good after the second surgery to the same knee?

[C.Biscuit97]

Man, Austin had the best college highlights. If you take a small dude in the first round, they better be beyond special. These dudes always bust. 

[LABILLBACKER]

6 hours ago, sir andrew said:

Confirmed on the Bills FB page.  Kinda surprised it took this long for Haack. 

I'm surprised Haack survived that Steeler game. Thank God he's gone.