Deshaun Watson admits under oath that Ashley Solis cried at the end of the massage

[Richard Noggin]

1 minute ago, BuffaloBills1998 said:

Depending on what more gets released they could probably re open a possible criminal trial. The Browns really shot themselves in the foot with this one

Is that something that can really happen after two grand juries were already convened? Or are you just spitballing? 

[BuffaloBills1998]

Just now, Richard Noggin said:

Is that something that can really happen after two grand juries were already convened? Or are you just spitballing? 

Again that depends what more gets brought into light. Also I was reading that a case can be brought back with a new jury. I guess we’ll have to wait and see how much more ugly this gets. 

[Rubes]

1 hour ago, wppete said:

Release the text messages! All of them!

Nothing keeping them from being released, and it’s the same lawyer for all 22 defendants, so…I wouldn't be surprised to see a gradual release of them over time…

 

[Southern_Bills]

The Browns are so dumb. Even if he does beat it, imagine having this guy as the face of your franchise. 

 

Dumpster 🔥 

[The Wiz]

57 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

I'm not sure how it works, if they're punishing him for it then they're punishing him for something that makes you question him being allowed in the league at all.

Wait... he was gambling?

 

Our was he just beating his children,  raping women, cheating, etc.

 

There is a very big difference between gambling and the others.  

 

*big ***** 🙄 to the nfl and their "shield"*

[krf139]

Let’s stop kidding ourselves. 6 game suspension and he’ll be playing again. The NFL is all talk about “inspiring change”

[NoHuddleKelly12]

1 hour ago, strive_for_five_guy said:

This guy working on a deal with the Browns right now.

The guy on the left just decided he’s not getting paid enough to drive Kraft’s car…

[FitzShowUsYourTitz]

1 hour ago, BuffaloBills1998 said:

I guess it’s not too late for Browns fans to

jump Ship. Buffalo is always looking for more fans. 

 

I have to STRONGLY disagree here.  For reference, I would like to point you to Dion Dawkins "A Letter to Bills Mafia" from January 2020.  Truer words have never been spoken.  For reference.....

 

"Dear Bills Mafia aka #BillsMafia aka The Mafia aka Bills Family aka Bills Familia aka Bills Nation aka LET’S GO BUFFALO aka Best Fans in the NFL aka BITW aka Best In The World,

Dion Dawkins here, aka Dion From the O-Line aka DDawks aka “The Shnowman” aka #73 aka Dion — and there’s a lot that I need to write y’all about.

First things first and it’s a pretty serious issue.  It’s an epidemic sweeping across America.

It’s called “people wanting to jump on this Bills bandwagon.” No, for real — talk to your loved ones about it. Here are the symptoms: You see someone getting very bored with their current football team. They’re just not vibing with it like they used to. And then on the other hand they look and see what’s happening in Buffalo, with Bills Nation. They see a team on the rise, with an exciting core of young studs, two playoff berths in the last three seasons, and the best fans that ever lived.

And this is where it gets dangerous: Those people, they think to themselves, Man. I need to get on this Bills bandwagon for next season!! I need to become a Bills fan now. And they try to jump on.

I have an important message for those people:

DO NOT TRY THIS.

DO NOT — I REPEAT, DO NOT — ATTEMPT TO ACCESS THE BILLS BANDWAGON AT THIS TIME. WE ARE CURRENTLY AT CAPACITY.

THE BUFFALO BILLS BANDWAGON IS FULL.

Yes, you heard me correctly: The bandwagon is full.

We are no longer accepting new passengers. This is NOT a buy-low opportunity. Us real ones, we’ve BEEN here — been on this ride for years. And we’re GOOD. So to everyone else, everyone who’s trying to hop on in 2020??? Just know, We ain’t got nothing for you. Take it somewhere else. This wagon is full. There is. no. room.

Alright….. thank you."

 

Nuff Said!!!!!!

https://www.theplayerstribune.com/articles/dion-dawkins-buffalo-bills-mafia

Edited May 18, 2022 by Fred Marchibroda

[Beast]

The NFL needs to make a serious statement here. Anything but a long suspension, or even an expulsion from the league, will look like a further attack on women and a wink and a nod to sexual predators.

[BillsShredder83]

2 hours ago, BuffaloBills1998 said:

That could happen as well. But I think the NFL might not have a choice but to let this play out and have to play the wait and see game. Chances are if they go that route Watson ends up on the commissioners exempt list but still gets paid his 1 million in 22 by the Browns

But then his suspension would atleast be served into a year that costs him $, not the $500k he stands to lose now

[78thealltimegreat]

3 hours ago, BuffaloBills1998 said:

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/05/17/testifying-under-oath-deshaun-watson-admits-ashley-solis-cried-at-end-of-massage/ good job Cleveland lol

He’s getting a year no way he gets around this now 

[DabillsDaBillsDaBills]

3 hours ago, 4merper4mer said:

I know it’s the biggest…..but is it the first fully guaranteed multi year contract in NFL history?

Was that supposed to be funny?

 

Kirk Cousins signed a 3 year 84mil deal with the Vikings in 2018 that was 100% guaranteed (and it looks like all of his subsequent extensions/deals with Vikings are also fully guaranteed).  

 

I'm surprised no one has mentioned Trevor Bauer yet. MLB just suspended him for 2 full seasons for domestic violence allegations (after he sat out an entire year on administrative leave), even after the gov't announced no criminal charges would be brought against him. There is 1 woman pursuing a civil case against him (a second woman had started a similar civil case, but later dropped it).

 

I will say that the allegations against Bauer are more heinous in nature, even if they are less prolific than the allegations against Watson. 

 

If we can view the MLB decision on Bauer as precedence, I would expect Watson to be suspended for AT LEAST the entire season. The suspension will only increase if more statements like this one come out of the civil case (especially if it's closer to the regular season). 

 

 

[GunnerBill]

3 hours ago, BuffaloBills1998 said:

Again that depends what more gets brought into light. Also I was reading that a case can be brought back with a new jury. I guess we’ll have to wait and see how much more ugly this gets. 

 

It is technically possible but it needs more than circumstancial evidence. There would have to be some piece of clear physical evidence or third party witness testimony that wasn't available previously. Essentially - it's a high bar. 

[Uncle Monkeyhead]

5 hours ago, Warcodered said:

 

At about 31:20 they make some jokes about the Browns situation.

The greatest sports talk show ever. Pat Freaking Mcafee. Love it

[Ethan in Cleveland]

6 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

I was just pointing this out to the poster who was asking if the Browns were pining for Keenum...

 

But....Who else is Mayfield playing for?

 

 

He doesn't even have to play. His salary is guaranteed. He can sit the whole year and rehab his arm

[Doc Brown]

4 hours ago, krf139 said:

Let’s stop kidding ourselves. 6 game suspension and he’ll be playing again. The NFL is all talk about “inspiring change”

Maybe 10 years ago before the me too movement, the recent Trevor Bauer two year suspension by the MLB, and a bunch of NFL owners ticked off at Cleveland they gave him a fully guaranteed  5 year fully guaranteed 230 million dollar contract.  I think it's anywhere from 10 games to a whole season.

Edited May 18, 2022 by Doc Brown

[machine gun kelly]

5 hours ago, krf139 said:

Let’s stop kidding ourselves. 6 game suspension and he’ll be playing again. The NFL is all talk about “inspiring change”

Before anyone else rolls their eyes, keg isn’t saying that’s what should happen, but will most likely happen.  I agree 6-8 game suspension and moving on, and that’s fantasy to think they keep Mayfield for 6 weeks.  
 

First he’s never agree to play, and 2nd all the Browns are trying to do is get a suitor to offset a portion of the $18.8 mil.  Hopes of a high draft pick are long gone.  If ATL, SEA, or CAR think their guys in camp aren’t looking good, they all have the cash to absorb maybe $5 mil., and give him a low rent price it deal and he’ll be back on the street next year.

[todd]

8 hours ago, JDubya76 said:

Yeah but there’s not enough grounds to indict him on criminal charges. She must’ve been menstrual

What kind of misogynistic idiocy is this? I hope you were joking.

[TAinLack.]

8 hours ago, JDubya76 said:

Quarter of a billion dollars. Just saying that out loud makes me giggle. How truly awful the browns organization is, it’s astounding really.

Poor Dog Pound fans, it'll be awhile before this mess is straightened out!

[Captain Hindsight]

35 minutes ago, TAinLA said:

Poor Dog Pound fans, it'll be awhile before this mess is straightened out!

The Browns don’t even have an out! It’s fully guaranteed contract for Watson. No clauses for suspension or anything like that. If an agent has those demands with those kinds of accusations against the player, management should probably advise against it

 

Haslam is a moron 

[Rockpile233]

NFL will find a way to get this wrong.

[BarleyNY]

9 hours ago, BuffaloBills1998 said:

LOL you’d have to be smoking crack if you think Mayfield will play another down for Cleveland. He’s already stated he won’t 

No, he’s already stated he wants out and won’t play another down for them. Cleveland pretty much blew up that bridge. Chances are if they can’t find a trade partner they’ll most likely be forced to release him

I can think of $18.9M reasons Mayfield would play for the Browns this season. 

[ALF]

The contract Watson is slated to sign with the Browns, at a base-salary level, is far less than what he was scheduled to make with the Texans. Money lost on a suspension comes out of the player’s base pay for the season, so Watson would lose around $55,000 per game under his new deal if a suspension is levied, whereas he would have lost nearly $2 million per game with the Texans.

 

https://brownswire.usatoday.com/2022/03/18/deshaun-watson-contract-browns-suspension/

 

His base salary for 2022 is $1M

 

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cleveland-browns/deshaun-watson-21753/

[freddyjj]

26 minutes ago, Captain Hindsight said:

Haslam is a moron 

Which is why they are renaming Browns Stadium from First Energy to Rock Hard Stadium since signing Deshaun 😆

[Mr. WEO]

3 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said:

He doesn't even have to play. His salary is guaranteed. He can sit the whole year and rehab his arm

 

is he still injured?  seems he's ready to play.

[nucci]

10 hours ago, Andy1 said:

I will never understand why they gave the franchise to this guy. Desperation leads to risk taking I guess.

Same ownership group that drafted Manziel

[wjag]

10 hours ago, uninja said:

I don’t get it, they have a stacked roster and Mayfield is a good QB when he isn’t playing with one arm half falling off. And like you’re gonna do Mayfield dirty for Watson? And for a quarter of a billion dollars fully guaranteed?

 

This story couldn’t be more Browns if it tried. 

 

I think the whole OBJ saga paints a completely different picture.  Same with Landry too.  There had to be locker room issues for the team to walk away from him.  Guys couldn't wait to get out of the mistake by the lake.  While we always talk about toxic locker rooms with out proof, and I am again here, I strongly suspect that this was the case.  For the organization to dump their #1 pick, go after a replacement QB with all the negative baggage in the world, accept they would be pilloried by their fellow owners and fan base, and do it anyway, says to me that Baker walked and talked his way out of the franchise.  They were past done with him.

[mannc]

10 hours ago, BuffaloBills1998 said:

 

You may not agree with what I’m saying. But I will bet you my bottom dollar that Mayfield won’t be suiting up/playing in a Browns uniform in 22

Mayfield is under contract to Cleveland for a lot of $ for 2022. If Watson misses significant time, Mayfield will play, unless he’s traded first, but that’s looking more and more unlikely.  Mayfield has no real choice. He’s not going to sit out. He’ll play, whether he likes it or not.

Edited May 18, 2022 by mannc

[mannc]

4 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said:

He doesn't even have to play. His salary is guaranteed. He can sit the whole year and rehab his arm

Wrong. If he refuses to play, he gets nothing. 

[strive_for_five_guy]

8 minutes ago, mannc said:

Mayfield is under contract to Cleveland for a lot of $ for 2022. If Watson misses significant time, Mayfield will play, unless he’s traded first, but that’s looking more and more unlikely.  Mayfield has no real choice. He’s not going to sit out. He’ll play, whether he likes it or not.

“I’m only playing so I don’t get fined”

[BarleyNY]

7 minutes ago, mannc said:

Mayfield is under contract to Cleveland for a lot of $ for 2022. If Watson misses significant time, Mayfield will play, unless he’s traded first, but that’s looking more and more unlikely.  Mayfield has no real choice. He’s not going to sit out. He’ll play, whether he likes it or not.

I don’t think that Mayfield will ever take another snap for the Browns in a regular season game.  But that’s because he won’t be asked to do that.  If he was asked and he refused, then he’d forfeit his otherwise guaranteed $18.9M salary.  The only out he would have is a football related injury.

[H2o]

This guy is disgusting. The Browns are stupid. Hopefully, this is the nail that gets him suspended indefinitely. 

[mannc]

2 minutes ago, BarleyNY said:

I don’t think that Mayfield will ever take another snap for the Browns in a regular season game.  But that’s because he won’t be asked to do that.  If he was asked and he refused, then he’d forfeit his otherwise guaranteed $18.9M salary.  The only out he would have is a football related injury.

Then who will the Browns roll out there when Watson is suspended?

[teef]

i'm going to assume they weren't tears of joy.

[mannc]

8 minutes ago, strive_for_five_guy said:

“I’m only playing so I don’t get fined”

That will really help Mayfield’s career…

1 minute ago, teef said:

i'm going to assume they weren't tears of joy.

Clearly an unhappy ending.

[YoloinOhio]

10 hours ago, Richard Noggin said:

 

I think the only somewhat appropriate action at this point is the exempt list for 2022, and then some kind of concrete punishment for the 2023 season. Anything short of that is just gross. 

I believe Roger already said the exempt list isn’t an option in this case. I can’t recall why.

[BarleyNY]

7 minutes ago, mannc said:

Then who will the Browns roll out there when Watson is suspended?

Jacoby Brissett.  He’s not as good as Mayfield can be, but they’d want to avoid any drama associated with Mayfield playing.  Not really a winning scenario there for the FO.  Plus they won’t want to give Mayfield practice reps with the first team.  This assumes a short to moderate suspension.

[Don Otreply]

18 minutes ago, mannc said:

Wrong. If he refuses to play, he gets nothing. 

All he has to do is claim his shoulder injury is still bothering him,  simple and effective, and there’s virtually nothing management can do about it, 

[YoloinOhio]

9 hours ago, krf139 said:

Let’s stop kidding ourselves. 6 game suspension and he’ll be playing again. The NFL is all talk about “inspiring change”

Possibly, but can’t go on precedent (ie Big Ben, Zeke). They have changed the process since then and it’s an independent arbitrator. Plus he has 22 accusers, not one. 
 

[ddaryl]

21 minutes ago, strive_for_five_guy said:

“I’m only playing so I don’t get fined”

No he is trying out for his next team. If he plays well he gets a starting opportunity. If he plays like he don't care he is looking at lesser opportunity and a lesser paycheck

1 hour ago, BarleyNY said:

I can think of $18.9M reasons Mayfield would play for the Browns this season. 

Yeah that should be reason enough for Cleveland to trade him, but its looking like they will need him this season so they won't.

 

6 minutes ago, Don Otreply said:

All he has to do is claim his shoulder injury is still bothering him,  simple and effective, and there’s virtually nothing management can do about it, 

But other teams will take notice. He needs a new contract next year