Rumor- Harrison Phillips not coming back

[Buffalo_Stampede]

5 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

If Phillips signs elsewhere, DT is suddenly a huge need for us. Under contract for 2022 we have Oliver, Star, and Eli Ankou. That's it. If Star retires we have next to nothing at the position.

 

The DE situation isn't much better. Three "hopefully they'll develop" players in Rousseau, Basham, and Epenesa, and PS fodder Mike Love.

 

I know everyone is giddy over the WR 40 times this year, but no one should be surprised if Beane once again goes heavy at d-line on the first two days of the draft. There's a massive need at every spot and there won't be any cheap starting caliber players in FA.

DT, CB, and WR are glaring holes. Beasley is going. 

 

DE has enough investment that you can try and develop the talent. I think they add a cheap Vet.

Edited March 6, 2022 by Buffalo_Stampede

[BILLieve85]

53 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said:

Props to him.  I thought his career was over when he was a healthy scratch mid-season.  But he really did play good football the last half of the season and into the playoffs.  If the money is right, i think he would be a fine back-up DT.  But that is probably as good as he will ever be.  They need someone to pair with Oliver that can consistently take on two blockers, hold his ground, and make some plays from time to time.  

Yes for the money he played ok.  

No way Harry comes back to play reserve. He’s already proved to be starter material. I don’t want to get into wormholes, but the coaching and 13 seconds may drive youth away from this team, it’s soon to be creating randomness in special teams (minus bass).
 

Bringing specialists in that don’t play their side of the ball, a punter who didn’t execute late in the season, returners who they seem to view as “punt catchers” and overall teams that can’t run squib kicks. Idk, I get what your saying, but this is much deeper than we think in my opinion.
 

Also, this applies to both Zimmer and Harry. Go back to 2020, Zimmer was a steadying force. Once you make the 53 and start seeing regular playing time, it doesn’t matter if you’re ERFA, UDFA, RFA, 4-7th rounds. Play and go get paid. 

[NewEra]

[BILLieve85]

14 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

If Phillips signs elsewhere, DT is suddenly a huge need for us. Under contract for 2022 we have Oliver, Star, and Eli Ankou. That's it. If Star retires we have next to nothing at the position.

 

The DE situation isn't much better. Three "hopefully they'll develop" players in Rousseau, Basham, and Epenesa, and PS fodder Mike Love.

 

I know everyone is giddy over the WR 40 times this year, but no one should be surprised if Beane once again goes heavy at d-line on the first two days of the draft. There's a massive need at every spot and there won't be any cheap starting caliber players in FA.

This. Is somewhat shocking the consensus this board wants WR early. Especially after we all hoping Gabe Davis to do what he did in the playoffs. Oh how soon we forgot.
 

JA17 is going to turn any mid round, or low cost vet, into viable options. It starts and ends with him. IOL DT/rush, and secondary youth are the needs. No WR, RB or anything else shiny. We have shiny. 

[ndirish1978]

16 minutes ago, BILLieve85 said:

He is not under contract. And tampering? Seriously? Do you know and have a direct line to Harry? As in you know what type of person he is? He owes us nothing and has every right to test the market. Does where you work have exclusive rights to your employment? That’s what you’re implying. He’s a good player, and would love to have him back, but also understand as a 3rd round pick and injury history, he’s doing what’s best for him and his family and not “our Bills family”

 

Incorrect. His contract ends at the end at of the 2021 league year, the league year ends on March 15. There's really nothing of substance in your post here other than some nonsense about him doing what's right for his family, which literally no one has argued against. I don't think reading comprehension is your thing and you seem to just be looking for an argument. My point is that I don't believe the OP, I don't think his comment is truthful for several reasons including, but not limited to the reasons I offered. My argument went from Point A, looking at the original post, to Point B, my response. Your argument goes from Point B to a picture of a banana jumping off a cliff, it makes zero sense and for some reason employs emotional argument. Also, it's weird to quote something that I didn't say in your response and isn't even close to the substance of what I wrote. 

 

[Big Blitz]

I can see a team offering him 7-9 million a year no doubt about it.  

 

Team with a lot of cap space.  

[NewEra]

16 minutes ago, BILLieve85 said:

No way Harry comes back to play reserve. He’s already proved to be starter material. I don’t want to get into wormholes, but the coaching and 13 seconds may drive youth away from this team, it’s soon to be creating randomness in special teams (minus bass).
 

Bringing specialists in that don’t play their side of the ball, a punter who didn’t execute late in the season, returners who they seem to view as “punt catchers” and overall teams that can’t run squib kicks. Idk, I get what your saying, but this is much deeper than we think in my opinion.
 

Also, this applies to both Zimmer and Harry. Go back to 2020, Zimmer was a steadying force. Once you make the 53 and start seeing regular playing time, it doesn’t matter if you’re ERFA, UDFA, RFA, 4-7th rounds. Play and go get paid. 

The coaching and 13 seconds may drive away the youth?? Did you reallly just say that on a public website for other to see?   Drive them away?  Splash some water on your face and take another hit.
 

Have you seen our QB play or are you just @mrsscottlaw? 

[BILLieve85]

1 minute ago, ndirish1978 said:

 

Incorrect. His contract ends at the end at of the 2021 league year, the league year ends on March 15. There's really nothing of substance in your post here other than some nonsense about him doing what's right for his family, which literally no one has argued against. I don't think reading comprehension is your thing and you seem to just be looking for an argument. My point is that I don't believe the OP, I don't think his comment is truthful for several reasons including, but not limited to the reasons I offered. My argument went from Point A, looking at the original post, to Point B, my response. Your argument goes from Point B to a picture of a banana jumping off a cliff, it makes zero sense and for some reason employs emotional argument. Also, it's weird to quote something that I didn't say in your response and isn't even close to the substance of what I wrote. 

 

His contract dictates his salary be paid over 17 games, in equal payments. He and the team fulfilled that. The reason you don’t see activity until March is the collectively bargained start to free agency in mid March, with the exception of players not achieving service turn requirements.

 

Entertain me quick. Point A to Point B to off the cliff. If you’re Harry. What do you do? Sure this thread is mainly rumor, and the OP may not have substantiated, but nothing I said can be denied based on history. Appreciate your questioning of my reading comprehension, I see we’re back to being a**hats to each other here

[NewEra]

13 minutes ago, BILLieve85 said:

This. Is somewhat shocking the consensus this board wants WR early. Especially after we all hoping Gabe Davis to do what he did in the playoffs. Oh how soon we forgot.
 

JA17 is going to turn any mid round, or low cost vet, into viable options. It starts and ends with him. IOL DT/rush, and secondary youth are the needs. No WR, RB or anything else shiny. We have shiny. 

We have 1 shiny toy and 1 battery capable of making even the ugliest of toys into shiny toys.  But I agree, we have should make sure our OL is improved upon.  We can’t settle in that department.  It should be a priority to upgrade.  The better the OL is, the better Josh is.  That being said, we don’t have to draft OL in rd one….just make sure that we can add new and teachable talent.  

[BILLieve85]

14 minutes ago, NewEra said:

The coaching and 13 seconds may drive away the youth?? Did you reallly just say that on a public website for other to see?   Drive them away?  Splash some water on your face and take another hit.
 

Have you seen our QB play or are you just @mrsscottlaw? 

Poor choice of words by me, I think. Look at below market deals taken by Levi and McKenzie. Both integral parts of the cog, only to be ridiculed by media/fans for not being as good as Tre when needed or getting benched for fumbling, only to redeem oneself at seasons end. 
 

It’s extremely rare to see younger guys that are UDFAs or low round picks stick around one cheap one year prove it deals rather than get paid. I want these guys back, but in no way can we keep resigning younger guys below market in perpetuity. I’ve never seen it happen, so for we all to think it can continue is not realistic. 

16 minutes ago, NewEra said:

We have 1 shiny toy and 1 battery capable of making even the ugliest of toys into shiny toys.  But I agree, we have should make sure our OL is improved upon.  We can’t settle in that department.  It should be a priority to upgrade.  The better the OL is, the better Josh is.  That being said, we don’t have to draft OL in rd one….just make sure that we can add new and teachable talent.  

Agree. The Ford pick hurts here, and couple that with trading Teller (but who knows if hes all pro level as he is in CLE vs say good starter). 
 

same can be said with Bates. Team has always liked him but seem to hide him as could play all positions on the line. But with the rearranging of deck chairs, why did we not play our best OL? Kid has proven it with his second half

[Brennan Huff]

I’m still not over the 13 seconds collapse, and now you’re going to hang this ***** on me?!? But also, I call Bull *****…

[Brand J]

“Legal tampering” begins Monday the 14th. 

[uticaclub]

Not going to miss him. Draft another DE in the 3rd and there won't be any drop off.

[StHustle]

4 hours ago, GETTOTHE50 said:

did this happen in a walgreens? if not, then i dont buy it. not even one bit

 

This will NEVER get old 😂

[Shake_My_Head]

LOL!   It's more likely the Bills re-sign Harry and The Stadium Wall spends the next few years bitching about how he's overpaid and should be dumped...

[TBBills]

7 hours ago, noacls said:

Athletic ability is not his problem. 

Goes to show combine drills don't always give you good answers. 

[BobbyC81]

6 hours ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

How would he even know what other teams are going to offer him in FA yet?

Please.  Do you not remember the free agent signings that are announced in minutes after they are eligible?

[RaoulDuke79]

Don't worry folks. I met Harrisons other best friend and he told me Harrison will indeed be back.

[Chandler#81]

4 hours ago, BILLieve85 said:

Poor choice of words by me, I think. Look at below market deals taken by Levi and McKenzie. Both integral parts of the cog, only to be ridiculed by media/fans for not being as good as Tre when needed or getting benched for fumbling, only to redeem oneself at seasons end. 
 

It’s extremely rare to see younger guys that are UDFAs or low round picks stick around one cheap one year prove it deals rather than get paid. I want these guys back, but in no way can we keep resigning younger guys below market in perpetuity. I’ve never seen it happen, so for we all to think it can continue is not realistic. 

Agree. The Ford pick hurts here, and couple that with trading Teller (but who knows if hes all pro level as he is in CLE vs say good starter). 
 

same can be said with Bates. Team has always liked him but seem to hide him as could play all positions on the line. But with the rearranging of deck chairs, why did we not play our best OL? Kid has proven it with his second half

Jesus, Dude. Just stop.

[Beast]

8 hours ago, wiseman3 said:

Met Harrison's best friend out in Buffalo tonight...showed texts to prove that he will not be coming back in free agency. I don't expect anyone to really believe this, but you'll just have to believe me haha. He will not be a Bill next year

So, Harrison Phillips best friend (whoever the hell that may be and why he’s even in Buffalo) is thinking, “hmmmm, I need to vent to someone that Harry isn’t going to be a Bill next year. Let me go to this random guy and tell him I’m Harry’s best friend and show him Harry’s text messages,”

[GunnerBill]

5 hours ago, BILLieve85 said:

No way Harry comes back to play reserve. He’s already proved to be starter material. I don’t want to get into wormholes, but the coaching and 13 seconds may drive youth away from this team, it’s soon to be creating randomness in special teams (minus bass).
 

Bringing specialists in that don’t play their side of the ball, a punter who didn’t execute late in the season, returners who they seem to view as “punt catchers” and overall teams that can’t run squib kicks. Idk, I get what your saying, but this is much deeper than we think in my opinion.
 

Also, this applies to both Zimmer and Harry. Go back to 2020, Zimmer was a steadying force. Once you make the 53 and start seeing regular playing time, it doesn’t matter if you’re ERFA, UDFA, RFA, 4-7th rounds. Play and go get paid. 

 

No he hasn't. He had a good end to last season but you need to play well for more than 5 or 6 weeks to prove you are a starting player.

[YoloinOhio]

6 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

I thought it was interesting Beane said Phillips will test free agency during his combine interview. No one really reacted to it. Sounds like Phillips wants more than the Bills are willing to offer. 

He said the same thing about Milano. “Earned the right to see what his market will be”. He could leave, and Bills will bring in a different guy to replace him. I like Harry, but he’s not a must-sign guy for me 

[Thurman#1]

Too early for anyone to know.

 

No way to have seen all the offers.

Edited March 6, 2022 by Thurman#1

[MasterStrategist]

Regardless if OP is believable or not, Harry has been a "fringe" starter for us.  He's also been a healthy scratch many times.  Yes, he finished out the final 6 games playing as our starter, with improved performance.  

 

But our goal should be to get better in the trenches.  Harry is not that, IMO, and not a physical type player either.  Not even sure he's a 1 DT, but not athletic enough for a 3 tech DT position on our line.

19 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

He said the same thing about Milano. “Earned the right to see what his market will be”. He could leave, and Bills will bring in a different guy to replace him. I like Harry, but he’s not a must-sign guy for me 

 

He did, but one player is a young, talented starter.  While the other, has been a healthy scratch and benched numerous times over the past 2 years.   

 

Agree, not a must re-sign, and money better spent elsewhere.

[FLFan]

Not giving credence to the sourcing here, but I certainly expect that the Bills offer will be below market, and I expect he will get better offers.  He is a decent role player but not worth overpaying.  I think Zimmer, assuming he recovers fully, is actually a better fit.

[Arkady Renko]

Would be a weird thing to make up, but I guess we’ll see.  If I were Harrison, I would not be in a rush to sign some place that kept on making me a healthy scratch during my contract year. 

[Sharky7337]

But overall if true this highlights the build through the draft strategy only works if your not doing their whole first 4 years training them to get paid somewhere else before they produce at a high level.

 

 

Edited March 6, 2022 by Sharky7337

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

8 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

expect his best friend learned this in a High Level Meeting

Dot … dot … dot

 

[JGMcD2]

9 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said:

He's played 7 good games his entire career. He won't have much demand for his services. They will be drafting a DT early.

Star and a rookie will split time at NT. Hope they move on from Zimmer too. He was limited athletically even before he got hurt. 

 

Right… 

[Niagara Dude]

9 hours ago, wiseman3 said:

Met Harrison's best friend out in Buffalo tonight...showed texts to prove that he will not be coming back in free agency. I don't expect anyone to really believe this, but you'll just have to believe me haha. He will not be a Bill next year

Not surprised at all,  he is a mediocre player who wants big bucks and then Bills want to upgrade the position.  Our defence is already filled with players who are not great and making too much money. Other then White we have no play makers on that side of the balll and yet everyone wants to get paid 10 million plus a season

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

4 pages Did anyone actually look into what or why?

it’s from Rumblings so grain of salt 

https://www.buffalorumblings.com/platform/amp/2022/2/7/22917010/contract-projection-for-bills-free-agent-dt-harrison-phillips

 

We start with his linemate, Star Lotulelei. Phillips passed him on the depth chart this season—per general manager Brandon Beane it was for COVID-related problems. Either way, if the Bills are going to keep Phillips, it’s likely going to be at the expense of Lotulelei.

 

I’m sure losing Star won’t upset a lot of people 

[T master]

10 hours ago, Big C said:

OK but if this is real, what are his reasons?

 

 

[Solomon Grundy]

9 hours ago, Paul Costa said:

My first question is why is Harrison’s best friend out by himself in Buffalo 🦬?  Harrison is from Nebraska and went to Stanford. So is his best friend out in a Buffalo telling people Harrison isn’t coming back? Or is Harrison’s best friend somewhere else in the World 🌎 telling people Harrison’s intentions? This is totally made up. Pretty weird to say the least. 😂😂😂

Harrison’s best friend = his agent 😎

[BillsPride12]

I'm actually going to give the OP the benefit of the doubt on this one because I once met Kyle Williams best friend at Gabriel's Gate the night before a Bills game

(Being 100% serious even though this probably comes off as a Snarky post)

[Kwai San]

8 hours ago, ndirish1978 said:

 

Considering he is under contract until the beginning of the next league year which doesn't start til March 16 I would say you're accusing another team of tampering. It would also mean that Phillips dislikes this team so much that he isn't willing to entertain offers to match. This flies in the face of the type of person he is by all accounts, so yeah you either have very poor judgment and got "got" by a troll or you're a troll yourself. 

Agree - his post is nothing more than a LAMP.  A troll indeed......

[Solomon Grundy]

7 minutes ago, BillsPride12 said:

I'm actually going to give the OP the benefit of the doubt on this one because I once met Kyle Williams best friend at Gabriel's Gate the night before a Bills game

(Being 100% serious even though this probably comes off as a Snarky post)

Was he getting the wings??

[YoloinOhio]

44 minutes ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:

4 pages Did anyone actually look into what or why?

it’s from Rumblings so grain of salt 

https://www.buffalorumblings.com/platform/amp/2022/2/7/22917010/contract-projection-for-bills-free-agent-dt-harrison-phillips

 

We start with his linemate, Star Lotulelei. Phillips passed him on the depth chart this season—per general manager Brandon Beane it was for COVID-related problems. Either way, if the Bills are going to keep Phillips, it’s likely going to be at the expense of Lotulelei.

 

I’m sure losing Star won’t upset a lot of people 

I thought they can’t cut Star  with that contract and the 7.7 dead cap. Since he opted out the covid year, the end of his deal did not coincide with Harry’s FA year the way Beane planned. He could retire though. Technically they could cut him but only save 1.5 on the cap, would be cheaper to keep him as a backup. 

Edited March 6, 2022 by YoloinOhio

[Rico]

I thought he was a beloved HM-LP scrub for 3.5 years, but I was very impressed with how he ended the season. I won’t miss him if his spot is upgraded, but I will be pissed if he leaves and it isn’t.

[BillsPride12]

1 minute ago, Solomon Grundy said:

Was he getting the wings??

Actually he was 

He loved em!

[ROCBillsBeliever]

10 hours ago, wiseman3 said:

Met Harrison's best friend out in Buffalo tonight...showed texts to prove that he will not be coming back in free agency. I don't expect anyone to really believe this, but you'll just have to believe me haha. He will not be a Bill next year