Ken Dorsey Promoted to OC

[Low Positive]

Yolonlist is correct, but the Panthers need an OC too.

[Doc]

So that's 7.  Vic was probably right.

[CodeMonkey]

20 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

20 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

 

Look at Vic suddenly with his finger on the pulse of the entire NFL.  Or ball washing his golden goose, you make the call 

Either way, only time will tell.  Josh is likely happy, so there's that! McCoach is a defensive guy who makes questionable in game decisions so Dorsey will need to be able to stand on his own two feet.

Edited February 2, 2022 by CodeMonkey

[ArtVandalay]

Excellent.  Continuity, let's just hope the grooming of him and trust in him via passing game coordinator promotion last year was not misplaced. 

 

Also, I think he has a chance to stick around and work well with Sean Payton in 2023.

[Lothar]

5 minutes ago, ArtVandalay said:

Excellent.  Continuity, let's just hope the grooming of him and trust in him via passing game coordinator promotion last year was not misplaced. 

 

Also, I think he has a chance to stick around and work well with Sean Payton in 2023.

Not sure if you're joking but whoever wants Payton will probably have to give up a couple first rounders to the Saints. They will still have his rights.

[Victory Formation]

Do you guys think they will just promote Shea Tierney to take over the QB/coach position? Or if they’ll hire from outside of the organization? It seems that he is lacking quite a bit in experience, but maybe they want continuity? Guess we all start somewhere. Any news here?

[eball]

1 hour ago, Lothar said:

Not sure if you're joking but whoever wants Payton will probably have to give up a couple first rounders to the Saints. They will still have his rights.

Lothar, you’ve been spending too much time up in the hills with your people. Old Art here is quickly distinguishing himself as a poster to steer clear of. 

[Boatdrinks]

3 hours ago, billsfan3482 said:

Continuity? Yeah thats something.  Josh Allen endorsed him, Ok they like each other.  If I had a friend or someone I was close with I want to work with him too.

I'm fine with promotions from within the organization.  But continuity and Allen likes him mean Nothing game time!!

 

If the bills are facing a defense thats giving us trouble, Will Dorsey be able to scheme around that and make on the spot changes?? Is Dorsey a creative thinker as far as Xs and Os?  I'm not talking trick plays and wild cat.  I'm assuming hes going to have his own complete new playbook??

 

I guess its a gamble either way, but I dont want our offense to drop off because were giving a first timer a shot.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Continuity means running the Erhardt-Perkins system Josh has spent 3 years in. Don’t underestimate the importance of that. Brady worked in that one offensive system most of his career. Now obviously there will be differences in play calling style with Dorsey, but the concepts will remain similar. Don’t want to install a new offense when you’re competing for a championship. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

3 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

Curious how he will differ from Dabol and will he be better?

 

Aren't we all?

 

IMHO...Daboll had a learning curve his first 2 years about situationally appropriate game management and play calling.

 

Given that Dorsey actually has experience playing QB in the NFL, it will be interesting to see if he brings a different perspective.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, Victory Formation said:

Do you guys think they will just promote Shea Tierney to take over the QB/coach position? Or if they’ll hire from outside of the organization? It seems that he is lacking quite a bit in experience, but maybe they want continuity? Guess we all start somewhere. Any news here?

 

There are rumors saying that Shea Tierney and (I believe, assistant OL coach) Ryan Wendell will follow Daboll to the NY Giants.

https://www.nj.com/giants/2022/02/nfl-rumors-giants-brian-daboll-bringing-position-coach-with-him-from-bills.html

 

I don't know how grounded they were - obviously, the rumors that Dorsey would follow him as his OC were wrong, but the rumors about Bobby Johnson were correct (Bobby Johnson is still pictured on the Bills web page and labeled as OL coach).

 

I would think they might want Dorsey to take on an OL coach and a QB coach with more experience than Tierney and Wendell.

[Richard Noggin]

I'm keenly interested in those two 3rd-and-shorts against KC where the Bills ran the ball unsuccessfully and then punted; would Dorsey call those situations differently knowing he's got Josh Freaking Allen at QB in an elimination game? Would they still take the ball out of his hands? Would they still run on 3rd without also planning to go for it on 4th? Oftentimes a 3rd-and-short run pairs with a 4th down attempt. 

 

How will Dorsey and McD synch up on these situational play calls/sequences? 

[John from Riverside]

So can we put to rest the bull#### thought that the Pegula’s were too cheap in order to step up and pay this guy to stay

[purple haze]

11 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

Probably Frazier with the most pressure… He’d be the first guy fired if the Bills defense is a sieve for the third year in a row in the playoffs next year. 

Possible.  But his philosophy and McD’s lines up.  They want to get home with 4.  When it works they win. When it doesn’t and they play explosive players they can lose.  Hopefully, development of those young plates happens and Beane gets a couple more athletic reinforcements.

[reddogblitz]

4 hours ago, Lothar said:

Not sure if you're joking but whoever wants Payton will probably have to give up a couple first rounders to the Saints. They will still have his rights.

 

Or, we could trade McDermott for Payton.

Edited February 2, 2022 by reddogblitz

[Protocal69]

4 hours ago, Boatdrinks said:

Continuity means running the Erhardt-Perkins system Josh has spent 3 years in. Don’t underestimate the importance of that. Brady worked in that one offensive system most of his career. Now obviously there will be differences in play calling style with Dorsey, but the concepts will remain similar. Don’t want to install a new offense when you’re competing for a championship. 

Thats the only thing I care about. Check my recepits

[davefan66]

Happy with this.  
 

Dorsey won’t be perfect right away.  Will take some time to acclimate to being in charge of the entire offense.  Probably a perfect time for such a change in OC though.  Josh is doing great and can help make up for any learning curve issues by Dorsey.    

[Chandler#81]

3 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

So can we put to rest the bull#### thought that the Pegula’s were too cheap in order to step up and pay this guy to stay

Here?? Of course not.

[Dont Stop Billeiving]

Very happy Dorsey stayed and we continue to promote from within. Continuity and Josh's involvement in the decision making process are key and glad that the Bills prioritized that (the kind of influence Rodgers has never been granted in GB). Still very curious why we interviewed two West Coast guys for OC, that would have been a disaster IMO. 

 

Now work on keeping Chad Hall and then hire a proven O-line coach who will use a gap blocking scheme and more of those pin and pull blocks that we found success with late in 2021. Enough of the zone blocking, it doesn't play to our o-line's strengths. 

[NoSaint]

5 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

So can we put to rest the bull#### thought that the Pegula’s were too cheap in order to step up and pay this guy to stay

that was pretty low on the list of speculation I saw

[Jim Bob]

 

[MWK]

If Pep Hamilton doesn't get an OC job we should snap him up for QBs coach. 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

I didn't know Dorsey was promoted to Passing Game Coordinator last year.

 

 

[YoloinOhio]

10 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

I didn't know Dorsey was promoted to passing game Coordinator last year.

 

 

I think it was done to prepare him for Daboll leaving and he was always the succession plan. They thought Daboll would be hired last year and Dorsey I believe interviewed with other teams (lions?)for OC. When daboll returned, had to give Dorsey more responsibility and I’m sure a raise because he probably thought he would be OC last year.

[Jim Bob]

Gabe Davis was on Richard Sherman's podcast and he had some good things to say about the Dorsey move.

 

[T master]

21 hours ago, taglientep said:

Woot!!! Now let’s get the best online coach we can find to fit his scheme 

 

I wish they would bring back Kromer .

[eball]

Anybody know if we're getting a Dorsey press conference this week?

[Bangarang]

22 minutes ago, Jim Bob said:

Gabe Davis was on Richard Sherman's podcast and he had some good things to say about the Dorsey move.

 

Care to summarize?

[Dr. Who]

Just now, Bangarang said:

Care to summarize?

I didn't listen to it, but I'm pretty sure the real message is "sure would like more snaps and a legit shot at #2 WR."

[The Wiz]

8 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

Care to summarize?

Loves Dorse, he's a smart guy.  Knew that is was going to happen.  Talked up Daboll.  Has a lot of faith in Dorsey also because he's been in the room with Daboll and on the sideline with the players.

Edited February 2, 2022 by The Wiz

[GunnerBill]

I commented in the ShoutBox yesterday but not yet in this thread. I think this is a good decision by the Bills. When you have an elite franchise Quarterback like Josh Allen you do two things:

 

1. You retain as much system familiarity year to year as possible. Doesn't mean you don't tweak things here and there but you keep the scheme broadly consistent, the verbiage consistent, the concepts consistent. You therefore get to spend camp executing the offense not learning the offense.

 

2. You hire offensive coordinators that he wants to work with. Josh could not have been more clear in his presser that he wanted Ken Dorsey to get the job if Daboll moved on. 

 

None of the above means that I am telling you Ken Dorsey will be a great or even good coordinator. That remains to be seen. But I think it pretty much reduces to near zero the chance that the offense takes a major step back. Which when you change a lot up is always a risk.

 

Now we need a shortlist of guys for QB coach:

 

1. Shea Tierney (unless Daboll takes him to NYG);

2. Joe Brady (the rumour is he interviewed for QBs and passing game coordinator in Chicago);

3. Sean Ryan (current QB coach in Carolina but history in the E-P with the Giants and Texans);

4. Tee Martin (speculating based on them speaking to him but might be an option);

5. Ronald Curry (currently QB coach in New Orleans but could be let go potentially if a new coach cleans house, has coached multiple positions but was a former QB himself and has experience with the Saints version of the E-P).

[Low Positive]

5 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

I commented in the ShoutBox yesterday but not yet in this thread. I think this is a good decision by the Bills. When you have an elite franchise Quarterback like Josh Allen you do two things:

 

1. You retain as much system familiarity year to year as possible. Doesn't mean you don't tweak things here and there but you keep the scheme broadly consistent, the verbiage consistent, the concepts consistent. You therefore get to spend camp executing the offense not learning the offense.

 

2. You hire offensive coordinators that he wants to work with. Josh could not have been more clear in his presser that he wanted Ken Dorsey to get the job if Daboll moved on. 

 

None of the above means that I am telling you Ken Dorsey will be a great or even good coordinator. That remains to be seen. But I think it pretty much reduces to near zero the chance that the offense takes a major step back. Which when you change a lot up is always a risk.

 

Now we need a shortlist of guys for QB coach:

 

1. Shea Tierney (unless Daboll takes him to NYG);

2. Joe Brady (the rumour is he interviewed for QBs and passing game coordinator in Chicago);

3. Sean Ryan (current QB coach in Carolina but history in the E-P with the Giants and Texans);

4. Tee Martin (speculating based on them speaking to him but might be an option);

5. Ronald Curry (currently QB coach in New Orleans but could be let go potentially if a new coach cleans house, has coached multiple positions but was a former QB himself and has experience with the Saints version of the E-P).

There is also a chance that Dorsey has his own network from which he could pull a QB and OL coach.

[John from Riverside]

Well Gunner....you got your number 2

[Lieutenant Aldo Raine]

2 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

When you have an elite franchise Quarterback

 

Damn, if only Josh was a winner, he could have stopped the Chiefs with 13 seconds left!

[Greg S]

1 minute ago, Lieutenant Aldo Raine said:

 

Damn, if only Josh was a winner, he could have stopped the Chiefs with 13 seconds left!

 

It's Allen's fault the Bills lost. Bum should have helped our D out by throwing the go-ahead TD pass with 3 seconds left not 13. Trade him now

[GunnerBill]

34 minutes ago, Lieutenant Aldo Raine said:

 

Damn, if only Josh was a winner, he could have stopped the Chiefs with 13 seconds left!

 

Eh?

[Scott7975]

 

[Buffalo Barbarian]

18 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Aren't we all?

 

IMHO...Daboll had a learning curve his first 2 years about situationally appropriate game management and play calling.

 

Given that Dorsey actually has experience playing QB in the NFL, it will be interesting to see if he brings a different perspective.

 

i hope so, sometimes it was like Dabol would have a cluster of  bad calls that made you scratch your head and other times was genius

 

 

[Don Otreply]

55 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

 

i hope so, sometimes it was like Dabol would have a cluster of  bad calls that made you scratch your head and other times was genius

 

 

Yup, he was infamous in my mind for doing what you stated, would be nice to see a good deal less of that sort of thing going forward, 

 

Go Bills!!!

[YoloinOhio]

 

[Don Otreply]

On 2/2/2022 at 7:59 AM, eball said:

Anybody know if we're getting a Dorsey press conference this week?

I just want to hear him say that he’s gonna run Spiller till he pukes…

 

Go Bills!!!