Would NE do Mac Jones + picks for Watson?

[Hebert19]

I think Russell for Mac and picks is more likely. 

[Charles Romes]

With Watson you also have to sell the farm to invest in franchise tackles. He does not have elite pocket mobility and does not afford the luxury of reasonably priced tackles like Josh.  Not worried about Watson. 

[FireChans]

10 minutes ago, Hebert19 said:

I think Russell for Mac and picks is more likely. 

This is absolutely a concern. Hopefully Russ hates the Pats after that super bowl

[ProcessTruster]

13 hours ago, Aussie Joe said:

Now explain why Houston would do it

to get another 1st for a guy who will never play for them again.  and to get rid of the contract, unless it is now void.  to get what they can out of a bad situation they cannot fix

[harryS]

14 hours ago, RobbRiddick said:

Now that he has to massage himself his hands will be to slippery with oil to grip the ball

 

you underestimate groupies.  he's probably still receiving sex massages.

[Pbomb]

14 hours ago, boater said:

Mac plus picks for Watson... I love it. The Patriots draft cupboard will be empty for years, hobbling them.

They rarely hit with their draft picks anyways 

[Watkins90]

If I'm the Texans and the Patriots are willing to trade me their brand new, young QB, then I don't take that trade because it tells me they don't believe in Mac Jones nor think he is any good. 

[K-9]

So the Pats should trade Mac Jones because he is limited and can’t bring the required physical traits of Allen, Mahomes, etc. to a team who would give up their star QB with those traits to acquire a QB who is limited and doesn’t bring the required physical traits to compete with Allen, Mahomes, and now the QB they just traded? 
 

Makes absolutely no sense. 

[chongli]

12 hours ago, NoSaint said:

cam and Watson don’t have too much in common currently 

 

Well, I did find this from Watson's college days, lol:

 

https://www.tigernet.com/forum/thread/Maybe-Deshaun-Watson-will-now-stop-the-arrogant-1407934

 

"Superman poses a la Cam Newton. A guy who is injured as often as Watson should learn humility. Let's hope he gets stronger both physically and psychologically. We sure do need him on the field."

[Solomon Grundy]

I can see Belichick dreaming about this. Like Homer Simpson dreams of doughnuts 

[klos63]

15 hours ago, Klaus said:

 

I think Mac's best days are essentially the same as we saw this year. His arm isn't going to get stronger, he isn't going to get faster, so what is the upside. This isn't to say that they don't stick with him, because I think they do, but saying the best years are ahead is a bit of reach, I think he is essentially as good as he will get. 

You really don't think a rookie QB can improve?  Jones wasn't the problem Saturday, everyone else was.

[BearNorth]

6 minutes ago, klos63 said:

You really don't think a rookie QB can improve?  Jones wasn't the problem Saturday, everyone else was.

Bourne made a couple of nice plays, Bills getting up 14-0 and Patsies missing pieces on the O-Line meant the Pats couldn't run like they did in the windy night game.

Defense looked old and slow, against even older Manny Sanders, and they didn't seem to have anyone who could spy Josh Allen.  Have never seen a 13 second play before in the red zone.

[Klaus]

32 minutes ago, klos63 said:

You really don't think a rookie QB can improve?  Jones wasn't the problem Saturday, everyone else was.

 

Jones certainly was one of the problems. 

 

Can, and should a rookie QB improve? Yes, for sure. But I think we saw a QB that is close to his ceiling in what Mac displayed this year. There are times QBs come out of college nearly fully developed in their skills, I think of all the highly touted USC QBs that turned into NFL busts. So maybe Mac was 95% of what he can be, so if he closes that last 5% gap where does that leave him vs the other 31 starters in the NFL? 

 

 

[The Avenger]

15 hours ago, msw2112 said:

I'm no Mac Jones fan and certainly not a Patriots fan.  That said, Jones is a decent QB.  He's a rookie and played pretty well for large stretches of the year.  He seems like a smart player with limited, but sufficient athletic ability.  The interception made by Hyde can't be underestimated.  It was a well-thrown ball and if Hyde had not made an all-time incredible play, the game might have been 7-7 and become competitive.  Instead, the Bills got the ball back, marched right down the field, extended their lead to 14 and put the Pats into playing from behind for the rest of the game, which limited what they were able to do.  Jones will never be Josh Allen or Tom Brady, but he still has a chance to be a good NFL QB.  (Even if that's the case, I still expect the Bills to dominate the Pats for years to come.)  

 

Jones performed a lot better than Trevor Lawrence, Zach Wilson, Trey Lance, and Justin Fields for most of the season.  How would you expect any rookie QB to play in Buffalo, with a full staduim, in the playoffs, in the cold, against the #1 defense in the league, when your team is behind the entire game and thus can't rely fully on its running game?

 

Consider that Jones isn't that bad, but his opponent last weekend was that good.  The Bills defense improved to the point of being #1 in the league and the Bills offense put the Pats into playing from behind.  For what it's worth, Davis Mills, Trevor Lawrence, and Zach Wilson also played against this defense, and depite having their moments against other teams, did not succeed against this defense.  Mills and Wilson had historic bad games.  Lawrence won, but his team only scored 3 FGs and the Bills offense just crapped the bed that day.

My thoughts exactly. Still early to say how good Mac can be, but he doesn't appear to have the tools to be a franchise quarterback - he may be solid, but I just can't see him being a tope 5 QB.

 

That said, he would have looked even better had he had a better supporting cast. The NE WR corps is really pretty bad and they were dropping balls all over during the wildcard game. If the Pats get some decent receiving talent we'll be able to better tell Mac's ceiling.

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

36 minutes ago, BearNorth said:

Bourne made a couple of nice plays, Bills getting up 14-0 and Patsies missing pieces on the O-Line meant the Pats couldn't run like they did in the windy night game.

Defense looked old and slow, against even older Manny Sanders, and they didn't seem to have anyone who could spy Josh Allen.  Have never seen a 13 second play before in the red zone.

 

Sanders can still run - the guy he beat was like 24.  Though Joejuan Williams big knock coming out was his lack of speed.  

[T master]

With all the talk of the possibility of Rogers leaving GB this yr i would be more worried about that scenario him leaving & going to the Pats .

 

If he does take GB to the SB i think he would stick around but you never know what can transpire i never thought i would see Brady play for a different team but here we are .

 

If Rogers doesn't make it to the big game this year that might be all he needs as motivation to make such a move given the mystique of the Pats & what they have done he could go there thinking he could win 1 more then retire .

 

Watson has a awful lot of baggage & i don't see Bill wanting to put up with all of that for that matter i don't see any team wanting to go through that except the Texans i believe that's why they may bring in Flores because Watson said he would play for him & that may be the 1 chance to get him to stay .

Edited January 18, 2022 by T master

[Doc]

2 hours ago, T master said:

With all the talk of the possibility of Rogers leaving GB this yr i would be more worried about that scenario him leaving & going to the Pats .

 

If he does take GB to the SB i think he would stick around but you never know what can transpire i never thought i would see Brady play for a different team but here we are .

 

If Rogers doesn't make it to the big game this year that might be all he needs as motivation to make such a move given the mystique of the Pats & what they have done he could go there thinking he could win 1 more then retire .

 

Watson has a awful lot of baggage & i don't see Bill wanting to put up with all of that for that matter i don't see any team wanting to go through that except the Texans i believe that's why they may bring in Flores because Watson said he would play for him & that may be the 1 chance to get him to stay .

 

He's under contract through the end of '22.  If the Cheaters want him, they'll have to pony up major picks.

[foreboding]

19 hours ago, BearNorth said:

I don't think after the Cam fiasco, that BB wants anything to do with a Watson type player regardless of talent.  Jimmy G was originally a BB guy and suspect he will be on the market soon, but can BB cure his tendency to throw stupid picks at the worst possible times.

 

"That type of player..."

What do Cam Newton and Watson have in common?🤔

[Mango]

This is so dumb. Trading picks without legal proceedings and gaurantee from the league that Watson is at no risk of being suspended is beyond irresponsible. 

[Doc]

7 minutes ago, foreboding said:

"That type of player..."

What do Cam Newton and Watson have in common?🤔

 

Who are two people who've never eaten in my kitchen?

[Aussie Joe]

5 hours ago, ProcessTruster said:

to get another 1st for a guy who will never play for them again.  and to get rid of the contract, unless it is now void.  to get what they can out of a bad situation they cannot fix

But why would they want Jones? so they can start bringing a “knife to a gunfight”?

 

I don’t think it’s gunna happen 
 

Edited January 18, 2022 by Aussie Joe

[mannc]

20 hours ago, ProcessTruster said:

Pretty clear BB brought a knive to a gunfight Saturday night.  Wonder if Pats get in the D Watson sweepstakes?   They won't be competitive with Bills for 10 years with ole' noodle arm at QB.   Won't have top 5 pick anytime soom. 

 

Looks like Mr Kraft and Desean are cut from the same cloth so no problem there.  Pats have brought in numerous questionable characters over the years.   Could be a risk for the Bills.   Waddya think? 

There is no "D Watson sweepstakes".  The guy is not going to be playing football again until further notice and no one is trading anything of value for him until there is a favorable outcome to his legal situation.  

[mannc]

5 hours ago, klos63 said:

You really don't think a rookie QB can improve?  Jones wasn't the problem Saturday, everyone else was.

Correct.  NE isn't moving on from Mac Jones at this point.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

19 hours ago, DCofNC said:

Well in fairness, Allen was never going to get more accurate, was never going to see the whole field and would never be more than an athlete trying to play QB.  That thought pattern failed. 
 

Jones may not pan out, but it’s too early to know. 

Yes, yes… they need at least 10 season to make sure 😉 

[BigBuff423]

Why not? Sounds like a marriage made in heaven - he and Kraft can go Buddy-Buddy on a tuggy and happy ending. 

[The Wiz]

1 hour ago, BigBuff423 said:

Why not? Sounds like a marriage made in heaven - he and Kraft can go Buddy-Buddy on a tuggy and happy ending. 

I'll take "things I never wanted to read for $500" 

[BuffaloRebound]

New England ain’t trading Jones before his rookie deal is up.  He’s a bargain at $4m per year and unless you can get a mahomes, allen, herbert, or burrow, he’s a better option at $4m per year than anybody else.  Watson is still toxic.  

[corta765]

9 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said:

New England ain’t trading Jones before his rookie deal is up.  He’s a bargain at $4m per year and unless you can get a mahomes, allen, herbert, or burrow, he’s a better option at $4m per year than anybody else.  Watson is still toxic.  

 

That is my thing. EVEN if everything settles this summer do you want to be the guy bringing that circus to town after everything. The moment things go sour its a 10 alarm fire in the making.

[damj]

22 hours ago, ProcessTruster said:

Pretty clear BB brought a knive to a gunfight Saturday night.  Wonder if Pats get in the D Watson sweepstakes?   They won't be competitive with Bills for 10 years with ole' noodle arm at QB.   Won't have top 5 pick anytime soom. 

 

Looks like Mr Kraft and Desean are cut from the same cloth so no problem there.  Pats have brought in numerous questionable characters over the years.   Could be a risk for the Bills.   Waddya think? 

I don't think BB would do it. I think he's convinced that he can win with a 2nd tier QB, defense and a running game. 

[T master]

3 hours ago, Doc said:

 

He's under contract through the end of '22.  If the Cheaters want him, they'll have to pony up major picks.

 

Well you have a good point ! They do have a rookie QB that could sit behind someone for a bit to learn more so maybe ?

 

The one that would make more sense that i didn't really think about was Jimmy G he already knows the offense & could probably fit right in unless there was a huge rift between him & Bill .

[The Wiz]

8 minutes ago, T master said:

 

Well you have a good point ! They do have a rookie QB that could sit behind someone for a bit to learn more so maybe ?

 

The one that would make more sense that i didn't really think about was Jimmy G he already knows the offense & could probably fit right in unless there was a huge rift between him & Bill .

I've always wondered who the person was that didn't want him on the team, Kraft, BB or Brady?

[Doc]

8 minutes ago, The Wiz said:

I've always wondered who the person was that didn't want him on the team, Kraft, BB or Brady?

 

BB wanted him.  Kraft wanted Brady and he won.

[FilthyBeast]

I'll never understand the Watson hype and why any team would want to give up anything of note to get a guy who quit on his current team after signing a binding mega million dollar contract, and all the off field issues still swirling around him.

 

I also don't see the Pats giving up on Mac Jones, he had one of the best rookie seasons of all time and clearly the best of the bunch so far this year.

 

Yes he didn't deliver in the playoffs but you can argue very few would have given the circumstances of the Buffalo stampede that hit the Patriots.

 

I think the best course of action for the Pats is to continue to build around Jones and they can certainly be right back in the division and championship conversation next year.

[OZBILLS]

Mac is fine. Has done really well and will get better.

[FilthyBeast]

5 minutes ago, OZBILLS said:

Mac is fine. Has done really well and will get better.

 

He didn't play bad at all against the Bills quite frankly. Not great but solid for a rookie, and who knows what would have happened if Hyde didn't steal what looked like a sure fire TD pass that would have tied the game. They probably still lose by a decent margin but it certainly could have kept the game interesting a little while longer anyway.

[OZBILLS]

1 minute ago, FilthyBeast said:

 

He didn't play bad at all against the Bills quite frankly. Not great but solid for a rookie, and who knows what would have happened if Hyde didn't steal what looked like a sure fire TD pass that would have tied the game. They probably still lose by a decent margin but it certainly could have kept the game interesting a little while longer anyway.

 

People forget early Josh Allen. This guy is further ahead, but with less tools.

 

Allen's run game and arm really sets him apart, but he might need the accuracy this week! Interesting times

[FilthyBeast]

1 minute ago, OZBILLS said:

 

People forget early Josh Allen. This guy is further ahead, but with less tools.

 

Allen's run game and arm really sets him apart, but he might need the accuracy this week! Interesting times

 

Less tools and certainly doesn't have the raw physical talent, but very few QB's in this league do.

 

But despite what some fans here believe, Jones isn't some sort of Chad Pennington type of clone. His arm is solid and hitting the gym in the offseason can fix any perceived arm strength issues. Not saying he will be the next Brady but certainly could become a legit franchise QB.

[Mat68]

How much time do Kraft and Bill have left together?  I think they could come up with 5 more years.  After that I think Bill will be done or Kraft may be done with him.   That would make them players for a top vet.  Money to pay them.  A pack and play qb on a modest deal to trade back.  Colin Cowherd brought it up.  New England is nowhere close to competing with Allen, Mahomes, Herbert, or Burrow year in and out.  Maybe they swing big for one last run.  Wilson, Rodgers and Watson will all be available.

[TheCockSportif]

I hope that they sign Watson, and I hope that McDaniels coaches that team.  McDaniels drafted... Tebow (I LOVE the man as a person, but not as a QB), and no masseuses will go unmolested in New England.  They make these moves, the the Bills roll for the next 15 years.

 

Bob Kraft will then sell the team to Gillette (did you know that they have a national shave headquarters in Boston?), and in every game the loudspeaker will blare, "wow, what a close shave!" before Watson/Tebow/the long #### QB guy/Cousins throws pick after pick after pick.

Edited January 19, 2022 by TheCockSportif

[frostbitmic]

How the mighty have fallen. Five or six weeks ago this guy was the toast of the NFL and now he's worse than Tua and David Mills.