ProcessTruster Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 I like both of these guys in terms of leadership, moxie and athleticism, but they are too much of a liability in the passing game. Miami and Philly need to draft QBs 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 I don't even think Tua is a leader. Pretty big red flag that he hasn't been voted a team captain in his first two seasons. 4 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 Add Baker Mayfield to that list. 1 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 1 minute ago, Special K said: Add Baker Mayfield to that list. Baker is so much better than Tua and Hurts. Kind of offensive, tbh 1 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 1 minute ago, Special K said: Add Baker Mayfield to that list. And add Lamar to that list. 4 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 Given that the Fins fired Flores for not liking Tua as a player and Philly made the playoffs with Hurts (and this isn't a strong QB draft class) I think both teams stick with their young QB's in 2022 at the very least. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 I wouldn't put Lamar or Mayfield anywhere near the likes of Tua or Hurts. Totally different classes of QB, with Lamar the best of them all. All have flaws though. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ControllerOfPlanetX Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 Watching this game,I don’t know how you would ever think you could win a championship with Hurts. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 Probably not, but many that decided Josh Allens future based on his first 2 seasons were criminally incorrect Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRH Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 1 minute ago, NewEra said: Probably not, but many that decided Josh Allens future based on his first 2 seasons were criminally incorrect This is funny. He never looked like this. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 Just now, BRH said: This is funny. He never looked like this. What’s “like this?” Like he’s playing in the tampa game? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJB Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 Tua Tagointerception Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djp14150 Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 14 minutes ago, ProcessTruster said: I like both of these guys in terms of leadership, moxie and athleticism, but they are too much of a liability in the passing game. Miami and Philly need to draft QBs you add in Jones….they all came from Alabama……trend here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRH Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 3 minutes ago, NewEra said: What’s “like this?” Like he’s playing in the tampa game? In his first two seasons, Allen had six fourth-quarter comebacks and eight game-winning drives. I'll stop there. 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HomeskillitMoorman Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 Hurts should be a backup on a good team. Disagree with the Mayfield stuff above though, I think he's mediocre at best. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRH Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 (edited) 2 minutes ago, djp14150 said: you add in Jones….they all came from Alabama……trend here? It makes it harder to play QB when you're not the only team on the field with NFL-caliber starters. Edited January 16, 2022 by BRH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 Hurts looks today just like he looked to me in college - a one-read QB who will never be a natural passer. He stinks. Tua it’s too early. I don’t see any real difference between Tua and Mac Jones - both are smart natural throwers who can run an offense but will never be able to stress a defense by throwing to the far areas of the field. Their ceiling is Alex Smith/Ryan Tannehill - but that doesn’t mean they can’t win super bowls if they’re paired with the right OC and other things break their way. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 15 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said: And add Lamar to that list. Based on what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 1 minute ago, BRH said: In his first two seasons, Allen had six fourth-quarter comebacks and eight game-winning drives. I'll stop there. Like I asked before…..what’s “like this” mean? You can stop wherever you want, but I don’t understand why you would answer that question with that answer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rampage Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 Running QBs are overrated. If you can’t throw the football you won’t win in the playoffs. It’s that simple. There’s a reason these guys faceplant in the playoffs. Mike Vick was the first of them and it’s been happening ever since. You need to pair mobility with the passing. Not the other way around. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JY422 Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 18 minutes ago, ProcessTruster said: I like both of these guys in terms of leadership, moxie and athleticism, but they are too much of a liability in the passing game. Miami and Philly need to draft QBs Add Mac Jones to this list and you have a triumvirate of excellent Alabama QBs who are average-at-best NFL QBs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffblue Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 15 minutes ago, Nextmanup said: I wouldn't put Lamar or Mayfield anywhere near the likes of Tua or Hurts. Totally different classes of QB, with Lamar the best of them all. All have flaws though. I would include Mayfield in the Tua and Hurts group but not Jackson. Lamar, while having limitations of his own, is the only difference maker of the bunch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALLEN1QB Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 Eagles vs Patriots who wins? Lmao Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobbRiddicksTDLeap Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 (edited) 34 minutes ago, NewEra said: Probably not, but many that decided Josh Allens future based on his first 2 seasons were criminally incorrect Neither Hurts nor Tu’a can actually throw the ball at the pro level. They were tremendous college football players, Who were coached incredibly well. There is no comparison between the 3 players at all. In college, Allen was suspect; while Hurts and Tu’a were Heisman winners. At the Pro level, after 2 seasons, Allen was on his way to stardom. There were so many indicators that Allen had the ability to play at the pro level, that neither Tu’a nor Hurts have. I was toasted on here for saying Tu’a is trash. And look at him now. When the Eagles drafted Hurts, I was so confused. Wentz was coming off of an injury, but before the knee he was playing lights out. Granted, his confidence took a nose dive, and he’s what he is now. But Hurts is no good, and had they not wasted a pick on him, maybe Wentz doesn’t go off the deep end. Honestly, to bring up Allen in a conversation about these two is whats criminal. Edited January 16, 2022 by RobbRiddicksTDLeap 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 51 minutes ago, ProcessTruster said: I like both of these guys in terms of leadership, moxie and athleticism, but they are too much of a liability in the passing game. Miami and Philly need to draft QBs So what? There aren't more than 10 starters in the NFL who can get their team to the promised land. Why stop at those 2? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 53 minutes ago, Special K said: Add Baker Mayfield to that list. 51 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said: And add Lamar to that list. I agree. Neither is capable of consistent accuracy which simply doesn’t translate well enough. Lamar is craftier and better than Mike Vick -but not by much. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 58 minutes ago, ProcessTruster said: I like both of these guys in terms of leadership, moxie and athleticism, but they are too much of a liability in the passing game. Miami and Philly need to draft QBs Unless they get extremely lucky both these teams are too good to get a real early draft pick to get one. Even if they tank to get one, could just as easily end up with the next Sam Darnold rather than Josh Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 1 minute ago, RobbRiddicksTDLeap said: Neither Hurts nor Tu’a can actually throw the ball at the pro level. They were tremendous college football players, Who were coached incredibly well. There is no comparison between the 3 players at all. In college, Allen was suspect; while Hurts and Tu’a were Heisman winners. At the Pro level, after 2 seasons, Allen was on his way to stardom. There were so many indicators that Allen had the ability to play at the pro level, that neither Tu’a nor Hurts have. Honestly, to bring up Allen in a conversation about these two is whats criminal. You’re entitled to your opinions. How can you say that it’s criminal…..when several people felt that josh allen would never be able to improve his accuracy. sure, the reasons for declaring josh, hurts and Tua “will never get to the promised land” are different but that doesn’t change the fact that Josh had an attribute that needed a lot of work. An attribute than many felt “can’t be taught” at this level. Either you’re accurate or not. They were wrong. Hurts doesn’t have a weak arm. His arm strength is fine. His problem was his throwing motion (elongated and over the top) and his footwork. Just like josh. That said, I agree about Tua……I don’t think he’ll ever be a franchise QB, let alone take a team to the promised land. I don’t think he has the physical tools and from what I’ve read, it seems like he isn’t putting in the work to be great….but if I’m wrong about his work ethic, you never know if he’s going to turn things around. Unlikely, sure. But not impossible. Trent dilfer, Joe flacco and Brad Johnson got to the promised land. Regarding Hurts, I think the jury is still out. I believe he’s has all the physical tools to be the man (not josh allen level, but a very good qb). I wasn’t a fan of him coming out of bama (just like Tua and macnchz) but he’s improved a bunch in year 2. Just like josh did from year 1 to 2. Josh didn’t fix his mechanics til year 3. Who’s to say that hurts doesn’t continue to fix his motion and footwork going into year 3? For those that think his fate has already been decided. I disagree. agree to disagree. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 1 hour ago, BillsFan130 said: I don't even think Tua is a leader. Pretty big red flag that he hasn't been voted a team captain in his first two seasons. I read an article that he turned down being a captain due to all the Watson rumors. Which, ok. But if it’s your team, own it dude 1 hour ago, ControllerOfPlanetX said: Watching this game,I don’t know how you would ever think you could win a championship with Hurts. He is pretty dynamic and a great athlete. If he becomes a more consistent passer I could see him getting hot on a playoff run. Right now, no way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapeBreton Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 Remember when Arizona drafted Josh Rosen and then the next draft they were like ‘we ***** up, let’s draft Kyler Murray’. Good on them for not trying to stick it out with Rosen, just move on. Then they traded Rosen to Miami for a second rounder, what a bad trade for Miami. I think Tua sucks, his arm is so weak and he’s just got ugly mechanics. Or maybe he just looks weird because he’s a lefty. But man he looks bad, thanks Miami for not drafting Herbert! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 1 hour ago, Ethan in Portland said: Based on what? Based on the fact that Lamar has a career playoff rating of 68.3 or based on a playoff record of 1-3. Or based on the fact that he's a run first qb who will eventually start having injuries like this season. Based on my honest opinion that he will never develop as a true pocket passer. Is he better than Baker, Tua and Jones, absolutely. I just think he peaked with his MVP season. I would put Herbert & Burrow ahead of Lamar as far as longevity goes......JMHO.... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Dude Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 1 hour ago, ProcessTruster said: I like both of these guys in terms of leadership, moxie and athleticism, but they are too much of a liability in the passing game. Miami and Philly need to draft QBs It brings back memories or Tyrod Taylor days, 1 hour ago, ProcessTruster said: I like both of these guys in terms of leadership, moxie and athleticism, but they are too much of a liability in the passing game. Miami and Philly need to draft QBs 1 hour ago, Special K said: Add Baker Mayfield to that list. Right….. another stupid hype pick. Let's thanks the dummies running the Browns that they went with the hype and ignored Mel Kiper who said Josh Allen was the best player in the draft. I would imagine plenty of Brown fans were watching yesterday and thinking what if? I kept saying before the draft that Mayfield looked like a bust. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 Allen Mahomes Burrow and maybe Herbert are in a different class compared to every other AFC QB right now. The AFC so deep at QB it needs its own tier. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nitro Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 Tua is not a top tier QB. Hurts is better and maybe a mid pack QB Quote Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L Ron Burgundy Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 I mean you're probably right but people said the same about Josh. Tua improved this tear no doubt. He gets better next year who knows? I don't think he's that guy personally, his work ethic is not Josh's, but things can change. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TH3 Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 1 hour ago, JY422 said: Add Mac Jones to this list and you have a triumvirate of excellent Alabama QBs who are average-at-best NFL QBs. Actually I think MJ gonna be an above average qb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 Never say never... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 No worries in Philly...Donahoe's there, he'll figure everything out. 🤨 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 2 hours ago, NewEra said: Probably not, but many that decided Josh Allens future based on his first 2 seasons were criminally incorrect Josh Allen hasn't had a losing record in a season yet in games he has started and finished. What was criminal was the offensive talent on the Bills roster when Allen was a rookie, yet, as aforementioned, he STILL didn't have a losing record as a rookie in games he started and finished. Point is, Allen's arrow has ALWAYS pointed up the second he got on an NFL field and if people didn't see that, I don't know what to tell you. The other QB's mentioned in this thread don't have anywhere near the physical talent Allen does. Hell, very few do. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Since1981 Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, JY422 said: Alabama QBs I am dubious of Alabama players as they have such above average players in all positions around them. Sometimes, gIve me a few dudes from Wyoming or Kutztown Now and then;) Edited January 16, 2022 by Since1981 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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