stuvian Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 Stefanski is going into his 3rd season as HC. Every HC wants to bring in his own guy. If he has any juice he wants out of Mayfield and to bring in his own guy (Cousins?) or make a move in the draft. The Browns pick 13th. The Jets have picks 4 and 10 and are not in the market for a QB. The Browns are young team on paper and could handle a year of rookie growing pains without losing ground. The fan base is starting to turn on Mayfield and he's acting like someone trying to talk his way out of town. Seeing how well OBJ played in LA is having an effect as well. I think they should go their separate ways Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LOVEMESOMEBILLS Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 On 2/16/2022 at 4:19 PM, LABILLBACKER said: There is no way Mayfield, Jackson or Murray are worth a penny over 35/ yr. Anyone dumb enough to pay these guys over this will be in cap hell for a long time. I 100% agree with you. Jackson makes the best case of the 3, but no way am I even going to pay Lamar Josh Allen money. There's a big talent gap between the two and it will only increase as he ages and can't run like he does now. All things equal, they will always behind against us if they pay him that much. All 3 are starting to get beat up, but IMO Lamar is going to be the first to slow just due to the fact of how much he gets hit. People here are worried about Josh running and what it will do to him later down the road, but he only averages between 6-7 carries a game on a yearly basis. On top of that he's gotten alot better at sliding and going out of bounds, maybe not as much as us fans want him to, but those probably account for 2-3 of his carries a game. So he's only adding 4-5 additional hits a game and to be honest more often than not he's the one doing the hitting. Could be worse, Lamar has almost 200 more carries than Josh, in 3 less games, and he's 25 pounds lighter. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LOVEMESOMEBILLS Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 On 2/16/2022 at 7:06 PM, Don Otreply said: If you realize that by future you mean what the are currently, it would take a special set of circumstances for Baltimore to be better than they were in the last two seasons, and that amounts to being “regular season “ maybe division winners, but true post season success would be unlikely, jmo. I agree. For one reason, Lamar's cap hit over the last 4 years has been next to nothing. Even this past season his cap hit was only 3 million. That all changes next year and the quality of talent around him is going to suffer. Add to that there's got to be a point, in the near future, that he's going to have to reduce the number of times he carries the ball. Josh runs quite a bit and Lamar has almost 200 more carries than him in 3 less games and he's 25 pounds lighter. Add to that Lamar's passing skills are no where near Josh's, so once there's less fear of him running, IMO he & the team will be in trouble then. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SydneyBillsFan Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 You cannot compare Lamar's durability to Josh's...Josh runs over guys that Lamar tries to avoid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 The latest from the Murray camp. I am a fan of players getting their pay. I'm not a fan of moves like this and negotiating in the press. Comes across to me as pretty classless. Murray and his agent care more about the "power move". Josh Allen cares more about winning Super Bowls. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elijah Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 On 2/18/2022 at 2:13 AM, SydneyBillsFan said: You cannot compare Lamar's durability to Josh's...Josh runs over guys that Lamar tries to avoid. Well, wouldn’t this be advantage Lamar strictly in terms of durability and long-term health? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 40 minutes ago, elijah said: Well, wouldn’t this be advantage Lamar strictly in terms of durability and long-term health? I would be more worried about the quick twitch running style of Lamar. Those ligaments can only take so much strain and once he loses his legs, he becomes a non-dimensional QB. Allen is usually bigger than the guys that tackle him when he takes off running. I think secondary defenders hate tackling Allen. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tanoros Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 1 hour ago, elijah said: Well, wouldn’t this be advantage Lamar strictly in terms of durability and long-term health? Did you see the stat in this thread that Lamar has ran nearly 200 more times than Josh? Additionally, being the person making the hits generally means less likely to be injured. Josh is bigger, and delivers blows (to be fair, he takes his shots too), Lamar not so much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 On 2/16/2022 at 2:33 PM, Jay_Fixit said: Mock drafts. lol. You mock mock drafts?! 🤔 😁 1 hour ago, BuffaloBillyG said: The latest from the Murray camp. I am a fan of players getting their pay. I'm not a fan of moves like this and negotiating in the press. Comes across to me as pretty classless. Murray and his agent care more about the "power move". Josh Allen cares more about winning Super Bowls. Aw geez, now every NFL player of note will be needing a graphic designer to create a Transformer like avatar logo. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 🤔🤨 * Give me the potato logo! First time, every time! 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 5 hours ago, BuffaloBillyG said: The latest from the Murray camp. I am a fan of players getting their pay. I'm not a fan of moves like this and negotiating in the press. Comes across to me as pretty classless. Murray and his agent care more about the "power move". Josh Allen cares more about winning Super Bowls. Tell Murray to Make the playoffs before he tries to be a little diva. I hate players like him 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starr Almighty Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 50 minutes ago, TBBills said: Tell Murray to Make the playoffs before he tries to be a little diva. I hate players like him Did you not see him sh*t the bed vs the Rams this year in the playoffs? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 On 2/16/2022 at 2:27 PM, Inigo Montoya said: https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/2022-nfl-mock-draft-cardinals-trade-kyler-murray-after-social-media-statement-pickett-vaults-into-top-10/ https://dawgpounddaily.com/2022/02/11/cleveland-browns-kyler-murray/ Trade Baker and a 1st rounder to the Cards for Murray? It's going to be a very interesting off season. There is no way in hell that I would trade Baker AND a #1 for a midget QB. The best I can do is give the Cardinals props for thinking outside the box a few years ago, since Murray would’ve been off my board. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 11 hours ago, elijah said: Well, wouldn’t this be advantage Lamar strictly in terms of durability and long-term health? It is more of comparing a body at 211 lbs taking a hit vs a body at 240 lbs beating up Linebackers and DEs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 I think Lamar has his best year behind him. I'd honestly try and move if I'm Baltimore. I'd move him to a QB needy team that desperate to take him. Washington be a team I'd whisper to. As could see them giving up quite a bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inigo Montoya Posted March 13, 2022 Author Share Posted March 13, 2022 (edited) https://www.nbcsportsedge.com/football/nfl/teams/cle/cleveland-browns ESPN's Dan Graziano reports that the Browns are "doing due diligence" on potentially available veteran quarterbacks. "I heard lots of rumblings in the latter part of this week about Cleveland making a trade for a quarterback and possibly shipping out Mayfield," Graziano writes. The Browns have been regarded as a "wild card" entry to the Deshaun Watson sweepstakes, and while they have committed to Baker Mayfield publicly, a "big fish" could reportedly change that. This article cautions that Mayfield is still the favorite to start for the Browns in 2022, but his hold on the job appears to be tenuous. Apparently not set in stone that Baker returns as the starter. This rumor will surely not sit well with Baker and I'm sure he'll be unable to resist responding to it. Hopefully this will get interesting... Edited March 13, 2022 by Inigo Montoya 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted March 13, 2022 Share Posted March 13, 2022 On 2/16/2022 at 3:19 PM, LABILLBACKER said: There is no way Mayfield, Jackson or Murray are worth a penny over 35/ yr. Anyone dumb enough to pay these guys over this will be in cap hell for a long time. cap hell 😂 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted March 13, 2022 Share Posted March 13, 2022 (edited) Their problem isn't that they didn't a contract done, it's that there's significant reasons to not get one done.. No way I'd give Baker a new contract. I'd be (and it seems like the Browns are..) looking for his replacement. On 1/4/2022 at 6:31 AM, Greg S said: Baker isn't getting that big payday. To think he was the #1 pick in 2018. He has been a disappointment. They made a point last night saying the Browns offense runs thru Chubb and Hunt. What does that tell you about Baker as a #1 pick? Not only does their offense not count on throwing it.. when the game needs Baker to start throwing.. it doesn't end well. He can play well when the offense is moving through the running game. It's a lot easier to play QB when you're getting 5.0 ypc from your backs. I remain steadfast in my belief that having a middling QB is worse than a bad one because you can easily dump the bad one. Edited March 13, 2022 by Malazan 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted March 13, 2022 Share Posted March 13, 2022 10 minutes ago, Malazan said: Their problem isn't that they didn't a contract done, it's that there's significant reasons to not get one done.. No way I'd give Baker a new contract. I'd be (and it seems like the Browns are..) looking for his replacement. Not only does their offense throw it.. when the game needs Baker to start throwing.. it doesn't end well. He can play well when the offense is moving through the running game. It's a lot easier to play QB when you're getting 5.0 ypc from your backs. I remain steadfast in my belief that having a middling QB is worse than a bad one because you can easily dump the bad one. To be more specific on your point, it is terrible to have the 10-16 best QB because to get a major improvement is next to impossible and you can easily end up with a much worse team. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted March 13, 2022 Share Posted March 13, 2022 48 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said: To be more specific on your point, it is terrible to have the 10-16 best QB because to get a major improvement is next to impossible and you can easily end up with a much worse team. It partially depends on is the issue entirely QB or is it the QB is in wrong scheme or with wrong OC? Are the skill players the type who will work well with the QB? Teams need to be adaptive or replacement will be in same situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billzgobowlin Posted March 13, 2022 Share Posted March 13, 2022 It's a shame they had the first pick of that draft and could have had Allen. Thanks Browns, I really wanted a QB that lives at our stadium and makes funny commercials 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 On 2/28/2022 at 6:33 PM, The Jokeman said: I think Lamar has his best year behind him. I'd honestly try and move if I'm Baltimore. I'd move him to a QB needy team that desperate to take him. Washington be a team I'd whisper to. As could see them giving up quite a bit. Browns and Ravens should swap QB's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddenboy Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 2 hours ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said: Browns and Ravens should swap QB's. actually, it occurred to me upthread Cardinals and Ravens should swap QBs 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 (edited) 17 hours ago, NoSaint said: cap hell 😂 A prime example. Edited March 14, 2022 by Ridgewaycynic2013 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 16 hours ago, Limeaid said: It partially depends on is the issue entirely QB or is it the QB is in wrong scheme or with wrong OC? Are the skill players the type who will work well with the QB? Teams need to be adaptive or replacement will be in same situation. I disagree. I can't think of a single QB in this century who went from decent to great because of a scheme or team change. Matthew Stafford was great in Detroit but was dismissed by many because of the crappy franchise he played for but he was also great with the Rams, only with a good enough team around him to make him a winner. Both Alex Smith and Kirk Cousins have been well above average QBs throughout their careers. They were both better when they were on teams that suited them better scheme and talent wise, but they weren't trash even when they were on lesser teams. In Mayfield's case, as the #1 pick in his draft class, if he's not an elite QB then he's going to be a disappointment. I think that it's obvious that he isn't going to be elite, and maybe he's not ever going to be better than a Alex Smith or Kirk Cousins level QB, a very good starting NFL QB but not a true franchise QB even as good as Stafford or Ryan or Roethlisberger in their primes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Inigo Montoya Posted March 14, 2022 Author Share Posted March 14, 2022 (edited) They better move him now with all of this in the media. I don't think Baker has the emotional maturity to deal with this kind of situation. It's going to be a rough year for the Browns if he is still under center for them this season. Edited March 14, 2022 by Inigo Montoya 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davefan66 Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 17 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: The “Josh Allen Effect”. Wonder if its more acceptable to stay with Baker if not for Allen’s development. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HT02 Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 6 hours ago, SoTier said: I disagree. I can't think of a single QB in this century who went from decent to great because of a scheme or team change. Matthew Stafford was great in Detroit but was dismissed by many because of the crappy franchise he played for but he was also great with the Rams, only with a good enough team around him to make him a winner. Both Alex Smith and Kirk Cousins have been well above average QBs throughout their careers. They were both better when they were on teams that suited them better scheme and talent wise, but they weren't trash even when they were on lesser teams. In Mayfield's case, as the #1 pick in his draft class, if he's not an elite QB then he's going to be a disappointment. I think that it's obvious that he isn't going to be elite, and maybe he's not ever going to be better than a Alex Smith or Kirk Cousins level QB, a very good starting NFL QB but not a true franchise QB even as good as Stafford or Ryan or Roethlisberger in their primes. Stafford wasn't great in Detroit, you could certainly argue he was good - to very good but great is a bit of hyperbole. Brady was great on a pretty average Patriots team and I'd say Rodgers was great on a fair to midling Packers team. 3 hours ago, Inigo Montoya said: They better move him now with all of this in the media. I don't think Baker has the emotional maturity to deal with this kind of situation. It's going to be a rough year for the Browns if he is still under center for them this season. If you're a Browns fan you'd hope that his struggles have at least humbled him a little bit. Hue Jackson has to smiling a little bit to himself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 They could have had Allen....they could have had Allen. 2018 class has two busts, one meh, one limited QB and one great QB....we have the great one. 9 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigduke6 Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 not a fan of Baker, wasnt interested even if we'd had the 1st overall pick. that being said, he's a good young QB, who has played reasonably well until last season when OBJ got back on the field, and Baker got banged up. he had all sorts of injuries and tried to power through them last season. if the Browns are looking to move on mbe theres more to it than what we as fans can see, ill give Baker a pass for last season tho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 2 hours ago, HT02 said: Stafford wasn't great in Detroit, you could certainly argue he was good - to very good but great is a bit of hyperbole. Brady was great on a pretty average Patriots team and I'd say Rodgers was great on a fair to midling Packers team. My point is simply that there haven't been any QBs who improved significantly because they were put in a better scheme -- or even on a better team. QBs show what they can do early on, and where they are 3 or 4 years into their starting careers is about where their ceiling is. The best ones may get better because they get smarter with experience, but I don't buy the idea that 5 or 6 years into a career some QB who's been only decent is suddenly going to emerge as an elite talent as a signal caller. Mayfield hasn't shown a lot of growth as a quarterback or as a leader in his four seasons in Cleveland, especially compared to how much Allen and Jackson have improved since they were all drafted in 2018. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 Buffalo got the best QB in the 2018 draft. Credit to Beane and McCoach. Now they just gotta start getting UFA right and not over-drafting players who fit McCoach's antiquated and inflexible scheme. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 2 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said: They could have had Allen....they could have had Allen. 2018 class has two busts, one meh, one limited QB and one great QB....we have the great one. Could have had him twice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 2 minutes ago, Warcodered said: Could have had him twice. Yep! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 (edited) Browns meeting with Desean Watson today. https://www.profootballnetwork.com/sources-deshaun-watson-set-to-meet-with-cleveland-browns-brass-on-tuesday/ Edited March 15, 2022 by BarleyNY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 15 hours ago, BillsVet said: Buffalo got the best QB in the 2018 draft. Credit to Beane and McCoach. Now they just gotta start getting UFA right and not over-drafting players who fit McCoach's antiquated and inflexible scheme. I mean, I understand the desire for improvement but that “antiquated and inflexible scheme” resulted in the #1 scoring defense in the NFL. I think we’re letting 13 seconds cloud reasonable analysis here. 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 22 minutes ago, eball said: I mean, I understand the desire for improvement but that “antiquated and inflexible scheme” resulted in the #1 scoring defense in the NFL. I think we’re letting 13 seconds cloud reasonable analysis here. Inflexible maybe. Antiquated, most certainly not. The NFL is now a big play league and the Bills give up the fewest big plays. Fans might not like it stylistically but defenses that are bend but not break and keep everything underneath are exactly where the league is going. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 On 3/14/2022 at 7:25 AM, Ridgewaycynic2013 said: A prime example. I want one of these. My daughter wouldn't like it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 1 hour ago, BarleyNY said: Browns meeting with Desean Watson today. https://www.profootballnetwork.com/sources-deshaun-watson-set-to-meet-with-cleveland-browns-brass-on-tuesday/ The Baker Mayfield era is over. Just entertaining this scum bag alienates Baker how does it not. 2 trash franchises. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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