Are the Bills classless for scoring a TD against the fins with 1:14 to go? Try too take your homer hat off and explain.

[Greg S]

34 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

The Dolphins are going to score three times with no timeouts and what 65 seconds left?  Get real.

 

To me the game was over when they made it 20-11 which made it a two score game. All day it was close. I thought I could relax when it was 17-3 but the Fins came right back to make it 17-11 and it was nervous time again. Have no problem getting the TD or going for 2 as it capped off the win. If the Fins are pissed then they should have stopped the Bills from scoring. 

[RobbRiddicksTDLeap]

The explanation is as simple as the Dolphins walking off with :18 on the clock. If winning is all that matters as a pro, then you play if you’re down. Maybe you don’t put Tu’a out there. Fine, but run a damn play. Your team is garbage, and you walk off the field and cry about the other team playing until the end; that’s why your locker room is trash, and your team will continue to be trash. 
 

Old Bills teams did this same thing, and it always drove me crazy. Your get beat by 15-20 and all you want is to get off the field. I get that. But these men are supposed to be the best of the best, nothing but the hunger for glory and Blah blah blah. Gladiators. Warriors. Cry babies. 
 

For any Bills fans who think the Bills did something wrong, at home, against a HISTORIC RIVAL, please re-examine the 70’s and the 80’s. If there was a way for them to have done an onside kick and scored again, I would have applauded for that as well.
 

The Dolphins, and their fans, can eat a big one, forever. 

Edited November 1, 2021 by RobbRiddicksTDLeap

[MAJBobby]

1 hour ago, BuffaloBill said:

I know this is being discussed in the thread about the Miami board. I’ve given you a poll here with the opportunity to explain your election. The Bills in my opinion absolutely played this correctly including the two point conversion. If they convert the 2 then the game is a three score ordeal.

 

While the probability of the fins scoring twice in 1:14 with 0 timeouts is low it is possible. The Miami argument is the Bills could have run time off the clock and left the Fins deep on the field with no time outs. All well and good, but then the fins are only two crazy and lucky plays away from winning. They break one for a long TD and kick the EP. the score is then 20 -18. If they get an insides kick - they probably only need one play to get into FG range. Kick the FG and the Bills lose.

 

 

Absolute right call.  

 

1.  Points are a playoff and seeding tiebreaker.  

2. Yes only the score with the EP is a 2 score game, not impossible for fins to win, highly unlikely but not impossible. 

 

Correct call

[Rochesterfan]

1 minute ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

I never said it was classless and yes we will disagree.   

 

As others pointed out i certainly didnt want Josh exposed to a potentially  angry opponent on a near meaningless 2 pt conversion.  If Belichek had down what we did i think the responses here would be radically different.

 

Irrelevant, we won.

 

 

 

Bull pucky - last week Belichek put up over 50 points on an overmatched Jets team - including throwing deep passes mid 4th quarter with a back-up QB to score more points.

 

That was classic running up the score - where was the response - where was the anger.  Oops there wasn’t much - just as this is nothing.  It is football.

[Ethan in Cleveland]

They ran the ball and the defense didn't stop them.  They couldn't run the clock out by kneeling.  Nothing wrong with running a play there.  The math says go for two to get up three scores but it was not needed.  Dolphins had no timeouts and there was not enough time to score even twice.  

[TBBills]

You get paid to score as many points as you can. 

[Homey D. Clown]

Anyone who has known me on here for some time knows I am no homer with my opinions, and tend to lean on the cynical, but I am here to defend scoring both the touchdown and going for 2.

 

1.  We've seen bigger leads disappear in our favor with less time on the clock in the past (see 77 second miracle), so if there's a chance, you bury that possibility.

2.  the Bills have been struggling this year mightily on 2 point conversions, and you have a chance to practice one in live game action where more points means harder for the opposition to orchestrate their own miracle comeback, you take that opportunity every time in my book.

 

All I saw there was a team making sure there was absolutely NO chance of a comeback.

[billsfan1959]

5 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

I never said it was classless and yes we will disagree.   

 

As others pointed out i certainly didnt want Josh exposed to a potentially  angry opponent on a near meaningless 2 pt conversion.  If Belichek had down what we did i think the responses here would be radically different.

 

Irrelevant, we won.

 

Belichik has shown himself to be a classless kind of guy, where McDermott hasn't, and there have been plenty of instances where I felt Belichick's motivations were, let's just say, less than honorable.

 

Even so, If it were the exact same scenario, then my response wouldn't be different. It was purely about strategy.

[Purplebulldog]

Buffalo Bills vs Dallas Cowboys October 8, 2007.  Enough said

[DabillsDaBillsDaBills]

The TD was on a 3rd and 6 from the 7 yard line with over a minute left. I don't see how anyone could complain about that. 

 

However, going for 2 was completely unnecessary. The Dolphins had no chance of winning. We can talk about hypotheticals and point out that teams have scored 2 TDs in <1 minute before, but how many times has a team overcome a 16 point deficit with 1 minute left in the 4th Quarter (and no timeouts)? Has it ever happened in NFL history? The Dolphins didn't even try to drive down the field to score after we failed the conversion.  

 

 

[BillsFan130]

Honestly I think it was a bit unnecessary.

 

I don't think what they did was terrible.

 

But let's not forget we were in the Dolphins shoes not too long ago when New England scored at the end of games as the games were essentially over.

 

I don't personally have that much of an issue with it, but I know for a fact This board would blow up if they did something similar to us. (Especially after losing 7 straight to the same team)

 

 

 

 

[MAJBobby]

Also lets not ignore the playcall either. 

 

3rd and long, Did they put it in the air?  Nope, they ran a QB sweep (which should have been tackled WELL SHORT if the fins can tackle.)

[pennstate10]

1 hour ago, nucci said:

Good that they scored but they risked a TO. I may have run the clock down and kick FG. 23-11 with only seconds left or give ball back at that point. Up 9 with seconds left and having to score twice

A knee and then FG attempt would be at about 30 sec. 

Cowboys scored twice in last 13 sec or so to beat the Bills a few years back. 
the correct move is to run a safe play and try to score, then go up >2 scores with a 2 pt conversion. 
 

I don’t understand why this is such a difficult concept. 

[Cray51]

Two point wasn't necessary, but I dont have any issues with them attempting it.  3 possession game closes it out for sure.  There is still a minute on the clock. You never know what might happen.  A score and two point makes it a one possession game.  Bills played to stomp out the fire, not hope it burns out on its own.  I'll never hate my team for doing it.

[TBBills]

Just FYI no such thing as running up the score that was made up by a bunch of Twitter *****holes.

 

[H2o]

One team's offense is trying to score while the other team's defense is trying to prevent them from scoring. The offense succeeded. The defense failed. There was no reason to go for two really though. At that point I saw the attempt as an unnecessary risk. 

[pennstate10]

5 minutes ago, DabillsDaBillsDaBills said:

The TD was on a 3rd and 6 from the 7 yard line with over a minute left. I don't see how anyone could complain about that. 

 

However, going for 2 was completely unnecessary. The Dolphins had no chance of winning. We can talk about hypotheticals and point out that teams have scored 2 TDs in <1 minute before, but how many times has a team overcome a 16 point deficit with 1 minute left in the 4th Quarter (and no timeouts)? Has it ever happened in NFL history? The Dolphins didn't even try to drive down the field to score after we failed the conversion.  

 

 

Silly argument. 
It’s never happened in NFL history until it does. 
like in 1991, no team had ever come back from a 32 point deficit, in either playoff or regular season. 
And then what happened?

[BringBackFlutie]

The play call was never going to be anything else.  Josh only needed a TD to tie Newton's record and tie for the third most TDs in his first 50 starts.

[BuffaloBill]

1 hour ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

The Dolphins are going to score three times with no timeouts and what 65 seconds left?  Get real.

Score twice in 65 seconds - Atlanta Falcons score two touchdowns in 2 seconds

[NoHuddleKelly12]

9 minutes ago, DabillsDaBillsDaBills said:

The TD was on a 3rd and 6 from the 7 yard line with over a minute left. I don't see how anyone could complain about that. 

 

However, going for 2 was completely unnecessary. The Dolphins had no chance of winning. We can talk about hypotheticals and point out that teams have scored 2 TDs in <1 minute before, but how many times has a team overcome a 16 point deficit with 1 minute left in the 4th Quarter (and no timeouts)? Has it ever happened in NFL history? The Dolphins didn't even try to drive down the field to score after we failed the conversion.  

 

 

Once upon a time the Bills scored 3 TD’s in 77 seconds against a John Elway-led squad. 

[clayboy54]

Since when do you EVER take your foot off the gas against a division opponent/rival?

 

YOU DON'T!

[Cheektowaga Chad]

To get a first down and run out the clock Allen needed the 1 or 2 yard line, if say he needed the 5 or 6 then scoring could be seen as running it up

 

You expect a guy with defenders all over him to just drop? You expect a team to keep a team mathematically alive to win on a couple fluke plays? (Fluke/luck plays in my opinion are how it was that close to begin with)

 

Going for 2 you could have an issue with but I don't. Its the right call

 

The real question is if we kneel and just run the clock, do the phins do the same?

 

Edited November 1, 2021 by Cheektowaga Chad

[Big Turk]

This is professional sports. You score points when you have a chance to score points. They don't like it, stop them.

 

Case closed 

Thread closed

 

 

 

[pennstate10]

1 hour ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

The Dolphins are going to score three times with no timeouts and what 65 seconds left?  Get real.

Uhh…

Exactly correct. Dolphins wouldn’t score 3 times in 65 sec. 

Thats  the entire purpose for making it a 3 score game. 

[DabillsDaBillsDaBills]

3 minutes ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said:

Once upon a time the Bills scored 3 TD’s in 77 seconds against a John Elway-led squad. 

 

Sure, and there was the comeback game. But neither of those games required scoring 16 points with 1 minute left in the 4th Q with 0 timeouts.

 

It's pretty telling to me that the Dolphins didn't even try to score after we failed the 2 pt conversion. 

[djp14150]

2 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said:

I definitely think McDermott doesn't respect or like Flores.  I don't think it was classless but I don't think McDermott does that against a Ron Rivera, Jim Harbaugh, Andy Reid, Mike Tomlin etc...

 

im betting there was trash talking going on in the first half

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

The TD no way. Bills couldn’t run the clock out without getting a first down. And all they did was call three straight runs. Miami just had to stop them. 
 

But the 2 point conversion attempt made no sense.

[djp14150]

7 minutes ago, DabillsDaBillsDaBills said:

 

Sure, and there was the comeback game. But neither of those games required scoring 16 points with 1 minute left in the 4th Q with 0 timeouts.

 

It's pretty telling to me that the Dolphins didn't even try to score after we failed the 2 pt conversion. 

 

what game were you watching

 

17-3

17-11

20-11

26-11

Just now, Sammy Watkins&#x27; Rib said:

The TD no way. Bills couldn’t run the clock out without getting a first down. And all they did was call three straight runs. Miami just had to stop them. 
 

But the 2 point conversion attempt made no sense.

 

why do teams do 2 pt conversion attempts late in blow out games?. Real world practice.

 

by the book up by 15 you go fir 1 it’s still 2 score. Get 2 it’s certain 3 score at 17.

[phypon]

2 hours ago, BillsEnthusiast said:

No problem with the TD or the two pointer really. I think with all our red zone woes so far, any practice at that end is fine by me. 

This is my take as well.  When it comes to "running up the score" or "classless scoring", that doesn't exist anymore in the NFL.  It's not about lack of sportsmanship, it's about being in certain situations where you can game time practice for certain situations that can happen in a playoff game or other close/important game.  I used to think this kind of thing was "cheap", but with it happening so often over the years, I understand and agree with getting experience in those situation.  I have no problem with it, nor when any other team does it.  Not talking from a homer point of view.

[RalphWilson'sNewWar]

Is it classless?  I won’t go that far.

is it eye rolling ? Absolutely.

 

Especially JA17 “flexing” after the score.  I mean…how big is your inferiority complex?!

 

but that has been a staple for this team for a few years now.

 

no different than 2020 when Allen and Bills were dialing up Deep passing routes and keeping starters in in blowouts in 3rd/4th quarter games.

 

Also the reason Diggs and Beasley were injured for AFC Championship game.

 

so i expect them to continue to do it.  Fulfilling whatever psychological need or whatever they are lacking.

 

just hopefully it doesn’t burn them like it did in 2020.

[Ramza86]

28-11 makes it 3 scores. 

 

Mathematically going for 2 is the correct way to play

[Gen2]

If the Fins had waved the white flag and agreed to kneel the ball down 4 times on their next possession, then I would agree with the Fin fans ... however this is professional football the offense is tasked with scoring as many points as possible and the defense is tasked with preventing the offense from scoring points.

 

For ANY fan base to say the opposing team should let up and give them a chance (however slim that may be) to get back in the game is laughable.

 

Strange things happen during the game of football, teams ARE capable of scoring 2 or three times in a matter of a minute or less. This happened with the Bills twice in my recollection once during the "Hedi game", and many Many years ago (against the Jets I think) where we scored something like 3 times in a matter of seconds.

[May Day 10]

Not at all.  The game was still in play.  The Bills couldn't run out the clock.  They aren't going to just hand possession over to the Dolphins in a 9-point game.  Are you kidding me?  For a bunch of fans whose feelings might be hurt because their favorite team lost by 15 instead of 9?

 

If they could have kneeled, thats a different story.

 

Going for 2 was the correct thing to do in light that a successful conversion would have completely ended the game right then and there.  With 1:07 on the clock and no timeouts, Miami had a sliver, miniscule chance of scoring 2 TDs and a 2PC and tying it.  There was 0 chance they score 3x

 

[london_bills]

I didn't understand the 2 point conversion, thought Mcdermott would be asked about it in the presser. 

 

 

[CincyBillsFan]

Oh please that last score sealed the deal.  And don't forget it was a division and conference opponent and point differential might come into play.

 

 

[Matt_In_NH]

58 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

This is professional sports. You score points when you have a chance to score points. They don't like it, stop them.

 

Case closed 

Thread closed

 

 

 

 

Can you explain the purpose of "Victory formation"

 

Case and thread open.

[Golden*Wheels]

2 hours ago, RyanC883 said:

 

the only thing classless was the Miami players actions on that play. 

 

the play was a pass, bobbled snap

That's exactly the thing though to me...yeah a  pass should be relatively NO risk but...stuff happens. Like a bobbled snap. I'd have just kicked the XP.

[CincyBillsFan]

Just now, london_bills said:

I didn't understand the 2 point conversion, thought Mcdermott would be asked about it in the presser. 

 

 

It's automatic at that point in the game and with that score.  In theory, if the Bills get the 2 it becomes a 3 score game and the Bills win. If you kick the EP there is still a very slim chance that the Dolphins score 2 TD's in the last  minute and get 2 two point conversions and you're in OT. I've seen stranger things in my life of watching college & NFl football.

 

 

[Big Turk]

1 minute ago, mattynh said:

 

Can you explain the purpose of "Victory formation"

 

Case and thread open.

 

When you can run the clock out and win you do so.  The Bills clearly could not have done either of those things in that situation easily.  What were they supposed to do, get down to the half yard line and try and get the first down? 

 

Common sense isn't so common these days apparently.

[blacklabel]

Oh, are they playing to win the game or to protect the other teams feelings? I think it’s the former in this instance. 
 

Really, the Phins fans should direct their anger at Tua. Don’t throw a pick in your own end with the game on the line. I mean, I guess Poyer should’ve gone over to Tua and said, “Sorry for picking you off, kid. I’ll tell my coach to tell the offense to kneel on it for the last few minutes here. We wouldn’t wanna make you or your fans feel bad.” Get. Da. Fook. Outta. Here. Right meow!

 

Have these whiners tried not losing? Or perhaps not rooting for a bunch of aqua colored weenies who mail it in the minute they’re behind? That’s what’s really classless. That team has zero heart and Flores has completely lost the locker room. Well…bye.