BuffaloBill Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 From the article: “Given how his numbers measure up against those of his peers (SEE: fellow member of the 2018 draft class Josh Allen; 89.7 passer rating, 70:32 TD-INT ratio), contract negotiations between the Ravens and their QB1 should be easy. A deal that ranks just above the six-year, $258 million extension Allen inked last month should serve as the floor for Jackson's next contract.” https://www.nfl.com/news/lamar-jackson-deserves-to-be-one-of-nfl-s-highest-paid-players-how-bears-can-ele Does this make you think, even more, that the Bills did the right thing by not waiting until season’s end to get the deal with Josh done? Numbers for elite players go up year after year. If injury or other circumstances were to take the run game away from Jackson, I highly doubt the debate exists. I am glad the Bills do not have this dilemma. 6 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aceman_16 Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 Let them spend spend spend...in the long run good for us. 2 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 Bills were smart... The price only goes up 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 4 minutes ago, BuffaloBill said: Does this make you think, even more, that the Bills did the right thing by not waiting until season’s end to get the deal with Josh done? Yes. Beane and Josh were smart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 Please Baltimore give a bigger contract to Lamar. 2 3 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 Just now, MAJBobby said: Please Baltimore give a bigger contract to Lamar. make it the BIGGEST ever!!! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 I agree, let them spend as much as they can, A floor, sure but not much more than that unless unless he at leads gets to a championship game. And Ravens are lucky they were not embarrassed by the lowly Detroit Lions yesterday so lets see how Lamar does this year. And yes the Bills did the right thing signing J Allen, now we dont spend the entire seasons debating about his future. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 If you are Lamar's agent? Yes of course you should. If you are Baltimore, then I'd want lots of flexibility in the structure. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJB Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 (edited) That's going to be one expensive running back contract. 🧐 Edited September 27, 2021 by DJB 1 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 8 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said: I agree, let them spend as much as they can, A floor, sure but not much more than that unless unless he at leads gets to a championship game. And Ravens are lucky they were not embarrassed by the lowly Detroit Lions yesterday so lets see how Lamar does this year. And yes the Bills did the right thing signing J Allen, now we dont spend the entire seasons debating about his future. Its kinda wild to think how close the Ravens are to being 0-3 The chiefs were well on their way to win that game until they fumbled the game away. And yesterday they needed a miracle to beat the lions. I would not be comfortable as a Ravens fan right now. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Holmes Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 10 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: If you are Lamar's agent? Yes of course you should. If you are Baltimore, then I'd want lots of flexibility in the structure. You mean his mother? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 By the time Baker, Lamar and Tyler Murray sign their extensions Josh Allen's contract will look like a sweet deal. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Joshin' Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 1 minute ago, ColoradoBills said: By the time Baker, Lamar and Tyler Murray sign their extensions Josh Allen's contract will look like a sweet deal. While Baker may get more than Josh, he should not. Hopefully Cleveland overpays. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 Josh is not the athlete Lamar is and Lamar is nowhere near the passer Josh is. We've also had more success as a team overall being led by Josh than Baltimore has had with Lamar. Josh has accounted for more TD's and turned into the better overall player at this point, regardless of whether Jackson won an MVP or not. Josh's numbers last year were better than Lamar's MVP season. Personally I don't care what Baltimore throws at him. Like most are saying, the more the better because it takes away from their cap. Bucky has been negative about Josh for a long time so I just chalk up whatever he says to the circus clown being back in town. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 2 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: By the time Baker, Lamar and Tyler Murray sign their extensions Josh Allen's contract will look like a sweet deal. And then Trevor Lawrence...and then the best QB from the 2022 class...and then... It never ends. This is really a worthless conversation. What about all the big deals before Josh's? I guess they look good, too... who cares. The big game-changer was when they went to standardized rookie deals. Remember Sam Bradford getting that huge deal in 2010 and he hadn't even played a game yet? Lol. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 3 minutes ago, LeGOATski said: And then Trevor Lawrence...and then the best QB from the 2022 class...and then... It never ends. This is really a worthless conversation. What about all the big deals before Josh's? I guess they look good, too... who cares. The big game-changer was when they went to standardized rookie deals. Remember Sam Bradford getting that huge deal in 2010 and he hadn't even played a game yet? Lol. Of course it never ends. One point to keep in mind is the new TV contracts coming up. If they are as high as some speculate the QB salaries could skyrocket. Then Allen's contract could look even more "reasonable". That is my hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 I thought he was selling real estate. 🤔 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 30 minutes ago, aceman_16 said: Let them spend spend spend...in the long run good for us. It's terrible for professional football players, though. This is the future some envisioned when the cap was introduced. Eventually, as teams get smarter, we are going to have a world where the 5 or so difference makers on each team make ALL THE MONEY and the rest of the roster is filled out with players earning league minimum. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 2 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: Of course it never ends. One point to keep in mind is the new TV contracts coming up. If they are as high as some speculate the QB salaries could skyrocket. Then Allen's contract could look even more "reasonable". That is my hope. It's gonna look reasonable regardless. You don't need to hope for anything. Unless there's some big contract rule change, like the CBA change I mentioned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Dude Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 41 minutes ago, BuffaloBill said: From the article: “Given how his numbers measure up against those of his peers (SEE: fellow member of the 2018 draft class Josh Allen; 89.7 passer rating, 70:32 TD-INT ratio), contract negotiations between the Ravens and their QB1 should be easy. A deal that ranks just above the six-year, $258 million extension Allen inked last month should serve as the floor for Jackson's next contract.” https://www.nfl.com/news/lamar-jackson-deserves-to-be-one-of-nfl-s-highest-paid-players-how-bears-can-ele Does this make you think, even more, that the Bills did the right thing by not waiting until season’s end to get the deal with Josh done? Numbers for elite players go up year after year. If injury or other circumstances were to take the run game away from Jackson, I highly doubt the debate exists. I am glad the Bills do not have this dilemma. Ravens would be fools to give him that kind of money, it's been proven that running QB's do not have long NFL careers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eSJayDee Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 They might have to pay more for him so they can have more flexibility. Seems to me you're much more likely to lose elite running ability due to injury or just natural deterioration than elite arm talent. W/o his exceptional arm, JA still has the ability to be a good QB. How good would LJ be if he wasn't much of a runner? Can you say $50m+ in dead cap space? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 5 minutes ago, LeGOATski said: It's gonna look reasonable regardless. You don't need to hope for anything. Unless there's some big contract rule change, like the CBA change I mentioned. I understand your point totally. My point about the new TV contracts was along the lines of what Allen's % of the cap could look like compared to the others who sign after the TV contract renewal. While not a CBA change like you mentioned it could be significant. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FilthyBeast Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 I still don't see Jackson as anywhere close to the complete type of player Allen is when he's firing on all cylinders, but at the end of the day he's still showing he's a top NFL QB helping to carrying a injury decimated Ravens team to almost a 3-0 early season record. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hebert19 Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 6 minutes ago, Niagara Dude said: Ravens would be fools to give him that kind of money, it's been proven that running QB's do not have long NFL careers This may be the biggest issue they face. Mahommes and Allen you are willing to commit to long long term so you can play with the cap...id never give Jackson more than a 4 year deal because of the way he plays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 The Bills got the better QB and teams like the Ravens and Browns will likely have to spend more for less talented players because that's just how QB contracts work. Great move by the Bills. A tad shocked that Allen's reps didn't push harder tonsee where Jackson and even Mayfield landed...but it's a fair deal for both sides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnNord Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 54 minutes ago, BuffaloBill said: From the article: “Given how his numbers measure up against those of his peers (SEE: fellow member of the 2018 draft class Josh Allen; 89.7 passer rating, 70:32 TD-INT ratio), contract negotiations between the Ravens and their QB1 should be easy. A deal that ranks just above the six-year, $258 million extension Allen inked last month should serve as the floor for Jackson's next contract.” https://www.nfl.com/news/lamar-jackson-deserves-to-be-one-of-nfl-s-highest-paid-players-how-bears-can-ele Does this make you think, even more, that the Bills did the right thing by not waiting until season’s end to get the deal with Josh done? Numbers for elite players go up year after year. If injury or other circumstances were to take the run game away from Jackson, I highly doubt the debate exists. I am glad the Bills do not have this dilemma. I have to say Lamar has looked pretty damn good since the start of the season. If I am Lamar, I don’t take anything less than the deal Josh signed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 13 minutes ago, LeGOATski said: And then Trevor Lawrence...and then the best QB from the 2022 class...and then... Pump the breaks on Trevor. Urban Meyer is going to ruin him. The morning guys at Sport Hub 98.5 Boston said this morning that Urban was speaking to Kliff Kingsbury before the Jags-Cards game and said "The NFL is like playing Alabama every week." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 2 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: Pump the breaks on Trevor. Urban Meyer is going to ruin him. The morning guys at Sport Hub 98.5 Boston said this morning that Urban was speaking to Kliff Kingsbury before the Jags-Cards game and said "The NFL is like playing Alabama every week." Probably, lol... purely speaking in theoretical terms Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoTom Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 Floor? I'm thinking Josh's contract should be the ceiling for Lamar's. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigAl2526 Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 Hope so. It would be like having to drag an anchor around to the team if they gave Jackson that kind of deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wjag Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 Sure.. Why not.. Next contract up. Market rarely goes the other way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msw2112 Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 (edited) I take nothing away from Jackson, who is a great player. I think, however, that most, if not all NFL GM's would take Allen over Jackson. His skill set seems to be more complete. Jackson is a great runner and a decent passer. Allen is a very good runner and a great passer. Allen's size and style of play may make him a bit less injury-prone than Jackson. So I believe that Allen deserves to be paid more. That said, because Allen signed first, and the way things go, I could see Jackson getting the same or a little more. Given that the Ravens are a perennial contender in the AFC and are a competitor of the Bills, I hope they pay more, which hurts their ability to spend on other parts of the roster. My comments appear to be in line with what's been said above. Edited September 27, 2021 by msw2112 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inigo Montoya Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 59 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: By the time Baker, Lamar and Tyler Murray sign their extensions Josh Allen's contract will look like a sweet deal. I think any QB contract signed in the next 18 months is going to provide a huge benefit for that franchise. The longer the contract, the better the bargain. With the salary cap about to adjust upwards dramatically any contract in the 40 a year range will be a steal. QBs will be pushing 75 a year when Josh's contract nears its end. The fact that Josh is locked in the low 40s for 8 years, with a total average yearly compensation in the 30s over the length of the contract, is going to provide a huge competitive advantage for the Bills. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 35 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: Pump the breaks on Trevor. Urban Meyer is going to ruin him. The morning guys at Sport Hub 98.5 Boston said this morning that Urban was speaking to Kliff Kingsbury before the Jags-Cards game and said "The NFL is like playing Alabama every week." It is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generic_Bills_Fan Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 1 hour ago, BuffaloBill said: From the article: “Given how his numbers measure up against those of his peers (SEE: fellow member of the 2018 draft class Josh Allen; 89.7 passer rating, 70:32 TD-INT ratio), contract negotiations between the Ravens and their QB1 should be easy. A deal that ranks just above the six-year, $258 million extension Allen inked last month should serve as the floor for Jackson's next contract.” https://www.nfl.com/news/lamar-jackson-deserves-to-be-one-of-nfl-s-highest-paid-players-how-bears-can-ele Does this make you think, even more, that the Bills did the right thing by not waiting until season’s end to get the deal with Josh done? Numbers for elite players go up year after year. If injury or other circumstances were to take the run game away from Jackson, I highly doubt the debate exists. I am glad the Bills do not have this dilemma. Yea its weird how it works the previous big contract is the benchmark even if the person getting extended isn't quite as good. Which is how you have something like Eli manning being the highest paid qb in the nfl for awhile 🤣 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMAKCruiser Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 I still can't believe we gave Rob Johnson a 5 year 25 million dollar deal... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2003Contenders Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 27 minutes ago, msw2112 said: I take nothing away from Jackson, who is a great player. I think, however, that most, if not all NFL GM's would take Allen over Jackson. His skill set seems to be more complete. Jackson is a great runner and a decent passer. Allen is a very good runner and a great passer. Allen's size and style of play may make him a bit less injury-prone than Jackson. So I believe that Allen deserves to be paid more. That said, because Allen signed first, and the way things go, I could see Jackson getting the same or a little more. Given that the Ravens are a perennial contender in the AFC and are a competitor of the Bills, I hope they pay more, which hurts their ability to spend on other parts of the roster. My comments appear to be in line with what's been said above. This is exactly on point. I would also add that Josh's skill set is transferable, meaning that he could be the starting QB on literally any team running any offense. Lamar's skill set requires a more specialized offensive system tailored for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 I said it at the time and I'll keep saying it. The Bills stole Josh Allen. We're going to save $10-15 million easily over the life of the contract. We got the best QB in the NFL for a song. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 Good, I hope they do pay him. Lamar is a great athlete but he said it best himself "not bad for a running back." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanSD Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 I like Lamar a lot, but there is absolutely no way I would trade Allen for him straight up. No way. Realistically I agree that he's likely to get a contract similar to Allen's. That's too much IMO and I'll be happy if the Ravens overspend at the position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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