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Why can't Tribisky be the holder on place kicks?


JohninMinn.

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I don’t have a great answer for this in general. In addition to asking price there are a lot of comments on this board about how Bojo needed to go because of holding for Bass. 
 

Is there really nobody else on the roster that we need to swap out our pretty productive punter? (That I wish was still here)

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10 hours ago, JohninMinn. said:

More options to score like the good old days.

 

Teams used to do that in the 90's or so, but switched the punter as holder since gives the backup QB more time to practice on offense. Otherwise, he would be working with special teams a lot. Besides, Bills punters have thrown special teams TD's in the past:

 

 

And also for a different Moorman to Denney TD pass [see 0:35]:

 

(1) Top 3 Bills Trick Plays | #TrickPlayThursdays | NFL - YouTube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfslWtWZo6o

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Read this and thought “hmmm, good question”… so I reached out to a Bears fan friend of mine- he never recalls him holding in Chicago (most of the time he was the starter, though)…. Then it dawned on me- Bojo held for us the last few years, and it’s almost always been our punter.  Didn’t Haack have some nice trick plays since he’s been in the league?

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1 hour ago, chongli said:

 

Teams used to do that in the 90's or so, but switched the punter as holder since gives the backup QB more time to practice on offense. Otherwise, he would be working with special teams a lot. Besides, Bills punters have thrown special teams TD's in the past:

 

 

And also for a different Moorman to Denney TD pass [see 0:35]:

 

(1) Top 3 Bills Trick Plays | #TrickPlayThursdays | NFL - YouTube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfslWtWZo6o

I remember the one against Seattle.  Denney made like he was running off the field before the snap and they ignored him.

 

Denney is a Mormon so that became known as the Moorman to Mormon connection

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1 hour ago, chongli said:

 

Teams used to do that in the 90's or so, but switched the punter as holder since gives the backup QB more time to practice on offense. Otherwise, he would be working with special teams a lot. Besides, Bills punters have thrown special teams TD's in the past:

 

 

And also for a different Moorman to Denney TD pass [see 0:35]:

 

(1) Top 3 Bills Trick Plays | #TrickPlayThursdays | NFL - YouTube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfslWtWZo6o

 

Moorman has a higher career passer rating than any Bills QB in history.

 

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1 hour ago, chongli said:

 

Teams used to do that in the 90's or so, but switched the punter as holder since gives the backup QB more time to practice on offense. Otherwise, he would be working with special teams a lot. Besides, Bills punters have thrown special teams TD's in the past:

 

 

And also for a different Moorman to Denney TD pass [see 0:35]:

 

(1) Top 3 Bills Trick Plays | #TrickPlayThursdays | NFL - YouTube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfslWtWZo6o

Didnt Moorman throw a TD on a similar play one year against Seattle to stay the season?

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Because being a holder is a very precise science and I trust the guy who has done it all day every day for years over a guy who has never done it before.

 

You may remember Bojorquez, who practiced every day, costing us a few field goals last year because he faced the laces in instead of out.

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I like this thread. As someone noted, completely random. We need a completely random thread.

My contribution: given the blocked punt, why don't we use Star as the upback? I've never seen a satisfying answer to the age-old question of "why not sign a morbidly obese guy to be a hockey goalie?"

 

EDIT: I'm not calling you morbidly obese, Mr. Star. Please don't hurt me. You are just the Biggest Bill of the moment.

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On 9/14/2021 at 8:37 AM, chongli said:

 

Teams used to do that in the 90's or so, but switched the punter as holder since gives the backup QB more time to practice on offense. Otherwise, he would be working with special teams a lot. Besides, Bills punters have thrown special teams TD's in the past:

 

 

And also for a different Moorman to Denney TD pass [see 0:35]:

 

(1) Top 3 Bills Trick Plays | #TrickPlayThursdays | NFL - YouTube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfslWtWZo6o

I miss Brian Moorman. 

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Someone already said it, but I'll repeat as I've heard it discussed multiple times on Sirius XM. 

 

Years ago most teams had the backup QB hold for field goals. When we switched, like the OP, I didn't understand why because it reduced the likely success of a trick play. But, teams pretty much all came to the agreement it didn't make sense to have a backup QB or other position players take practice time away for this when they already have a punter that doesn't have a large playbook to work on. And, as others have pointed out, Moorman and other punters across the league have been quite successful on the rare trick passing play when called.

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On 9/13/2021 at 10:40 PM, WotAGuy said:

QBs are too important and their time in practice too valuable to use it practicing holding. 
 

 

This!! 20 years ago, Bruce DeHavan could just tell Frank Reich, stay an extra 1/2 hour after practice to work on kicks.  Or even if not after practice, much more and longer practice times back then so could get away with it.

 

Not sure about this, but wonder if also back then did the 1st string QB's tend to hold in college more, so when they got to NFL and now were no longer the starter, they still had experience at holding??

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What kind of record does Matt Haack have on trick plays?  As has been mentioned Brian Moorman was very athletic and capable of executing a variety of trick plays.  Punters often have some real athletic ability.  They are, of course, typically used as holders on kickoff because they receive long snaps as part of their trade.  Certainly with the proliferation of the shotgun formation, QBs receive the ball on shotgun snaps all the time.  It would be reasonable to put them in the role of holder.  Holders might be at slight risk of injury, but they don't get hurt often.  Receivers could probably make good holders too.  After all, they have to catch all kinds of balls, sometimes in very difficult situations.  Some of Buffalo's receivers have experience with trick plays, including throwing the ball.

 

Personally, I figure having the punter is holder is normally a sound practice.  I don't have any problem with it.

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