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22 minutes ago, BringBackFergy said:

QB, RB, WR, OL, C, TE, DL, DE, LB, CB, S, LS, P or K?

 

My opinion: CB


 

I don’t know if it is the hardest, but the idea of chasing someone who knows where they are going (and you don’t) and is running at full speed…all game long…sucks.

 

 

 

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6 minutes ago, dollars 2 donuts said:


 

I don’t know if it is the hardest, but the idea of chasing someone who knows where they are going (and you don’t) and is running at full speed…all game long…sucks.

 

 

 

That’s exactly my point. Thx. QB knows where he or she is going with the ball each play (Read 1,2,3 or handoff). No biggie. The CB has to be set for sprint along side, move laterally, react to handoff but watch for play action. It has to be the toughest position because it is all quick reflexes and reactionary, not to mention great physical skills (unlike Ben Whatsaburger). 

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12 hours ago, BringBackFergy said:

That’s exactly my point. Thx. QB knows where he or she is going with the ball each play (Read 1,2,3 or handoff). No biggie. The CB has to be set for sprint along side, move laterally, react to handoff but watch for play action. It has to be the toughest position because it is all quick reflexes and reactionary, not to mention great physical skills (unlike Ben Whatsaburger). 


 

Even if I am following you tightly once you suddenly pivot…man, I’m dead.  I don’t know how they do it sometimes.

 

I would be a big advocate of allowing pass interference again, if my job was as a CB.

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Just now, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

This is true, but I think there's a still reason why so many people claim QB is the hardest position in sports

Probably two different approaches: hardest mentally vs hardest physically. CB has to be most difficult “physically”

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21 minutes ago, BringBackFergy said:

That’s exactly my point. Thx. QB knows where he or she is going with the ball each play (Read 1,2,3 or handoff). No biggie. The CB has to be set for sprint along side, move laterally, react to handoff but watch for play action. It has to be the toughest position because it is all quick reflexes and reactionary, not to mention great physical skills (unlike Ben Whatsaburger). 

 

I think in the modern NFL and certainly in Daboll's offense, the QB's decision making is not quite so linear and certainly defensive coordinators are staying up at night trying to figure out how to confuse and befuddle them.  Then there's the idea that 4-8 behemoths are trying to pulverize the QB on every snap.

 

If you're going to say "the QB knows where he is going with the ball each play, no biggie" then you might as well say "the CB just has to figure out which of a handful of routes the WR is running, no biggie"

Just now, BringBackFergy said:

Probably two different approaches: hardest mentally vs hardest physically. CB has to be most difficult “physically”

 

Physically just in terms of sheer effort I would think it's OL

 

But there's no question that the CB has a hard job

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Punter.  You're just hanging out on the sidelines all day, but expected to be ready to go at any minute.  And once you are on the field, if all 10 of your team mates screw up, you're expected to take down a 200-300 pound runner at full speed to prevent a score.  

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11 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I think in the modern NFL and certainly in Daboll's offense, the QB's decision making is not quite so linear and certainly defensive coordinators are staying up at night trying to figure out how to confuse and befuddle them.  Then there's the idea that 4-8 behemoths are trying to pulverize the QB on every snap.

 

If you're going to say "the QB knows where he is going with the ball each play, no biggie" then you might as well say "the CB just has to figure out which of a handful of routes the WR is running, no biggie"

 

Not quite, but I see your point. The entire offensive unit has a distinct advantage over the defensive unit (that’s why shutouts are so rare in football). Defense is purely reactionary. Playing CB against the likes of Diggs, Metcalf, Hill has to be a mentally and physically exhausting position (not to mention keeping the RB and QB in sight in the event of a run).  

Just now, Alphadawg7 said:

QB is hands down the most difficult and complicated position in all of team sports to play.  

Complicated (mentally), but what about physically and instinctively?

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It's DT.  And it's not even close.  Let me present my case. I have two arguments.  The first - how many truly elite players are a each position?  The second - time to development?

 

Who is the top QB in the NFL?  Mahomes, Rodgers, Wilson, Allen, Brady?  You could make a case for any of them and that leaves out future HOF'r Roethlisberger. 

Who is the top DT in the league - Aaron Donald.  No argument.

 

Some rookie QBs can play well from day 1. Routine high draft pick CBs routinely start right away.  Defensive tackles often take years to develop and very few ever achieve elite status.  Rookie DT's even in the SEC are playing against far inferior talent on the opposing OL.  That's not the case in the NFL.  In college they could physically dominate many if not all their opponents.  In the NFL they are playing against real men, much bigger, faster, and more agile than anything they would routinely face in college.  Their 21 year old bodies aren't yet used to the physicality of the competition.  

 

 

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I tend to think that the "hardest" positions are the positions with the most demanding expectations placed on the respective individual.  However, it is important to note that those demands are a function of the scheme in question.  Let me provide a few illustrative examples.

  1. Nose Tackle (NT) in a traditional, 2-gap 3-4 defensive scheme.  Imo, this is probably the hardest position in football, as they are expected to regularly take on a guard and the center and still make occasional plays in the running game to their left and right (i.e., two gaps).  There are maybe a handful of guys in the league at any one time that can fulfill the demands of a traditional NT.  
  2. "Shutdown" Cornerback (CB) #1 in a man-press pass defensive scheme.  By the very nature of the game, CBs are inherently at a disadvantage since they are usually reacting to the wide receivers (WRs) they are covering.  This automatically puts WRs a step ahead of the CBs covering them.  Schemes that rely heavily on their #1 CB shutting down most opposing teams' #1 WR "on an island" demand quite a bit out of these CBs, and again there are only a handful of guys in the league at any one time that fit the bill.  
  3. Quarterback (QB) in a West Coast offensive scheme.  The West Coast offense is notorious for being extremely demanding on the QB, and that is by design.  The vast play calling verbiage; the complexity and timing of the route combinations; and the precise, quick decision-making required from the QB all combine for making this offense very difficult for more traditional QBs to run.  

 

On the other hand, these same three positions are not as "hard" in different schemes.  

  1. Defensive Tackle (DT) in a 1-gap 4-3 defensive scheme.  Here, the DT is only responsible for one gap on a given play; they are also less likely to encounter double teams since there are usually four down linemen.  This allows the DTs in these schemes be more aggressive and less reactionary.  
  2. CB in a Cover 2 defensive scheme.  Unlike the previous CB example, CBs in a Cover 2 can expect help over the top on the majority of passing plays, and this is again by design.  They also aren't expected to be as athletic and focus more on not giving up the big play as opposed to covering more aggressively.  Teams utilizing this scheme can get away with employing only average CBs if they have athletic safeties and a good front four.  
  3. QB in an Erhardt-Perkins offensive scheme.  This offense is known for being more QB-friendly than a West Coast offense.  Playbook terminology is more streamlined; eligible receivers are required to know all the routes on a given play; and route combinations don't change for the QB during motion since the eligible receivers are supposed to change their routes depending on where players are being motioned to.  Also, there are relatively fewer plays to learn as these same plays are run out of multiple formations, thereby potentially confusing the defense from the "different looks" given while making it easier on the QB from the simplicity of route combinations.  
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Mentally QB. Nothing compares. 

 

Physically?   I'd much rather be a CB busting my ankles trying to figure out which way a spindly WR is going to turn, versus being a RB getting smashed by players 50 to 100 lbs heavier than me every single play. I'll take trying to stay with Diggs vs. getting blasted by Ray Lewis every play. Give me broke ankles over CTE any day. 

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The craziest position in the NFL no longer exists. Older fans will remember the…. “wedge buster”.

 

Nothing quite the same as running full speed for 30-40 yards, turning yourself into a psycho bowling ball, barreling into 3-5 240-280 pounders. The reward for success? Barreling into second flesh wall 20 yards behind that one. 
 

Outside of that, gotta go with QB due to the mental aspect coupled with having a target on your back every play. 

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Going off the beaten path, I'm saying kicker. You basically do next to nothing all game, and you are called on to perform at your best, you're expected to be successful when it matters to the team the most. Make the kick and you're praised. Miss the kick and you're run out of town or forever remembered (Norwood). 

 

Hardest position in sports? Goalie. You're standing on 2 razor blades for 60 minutes plus, and expected to move from side to side on said razor blades effortlessly to stop a disc of vulcanized rubber traveling at you at 90 mph plus. 

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