Do you think the Bills should sign a solid vet corner ahead of the season?

[TheyCallMeAndy]

Levi Wallace is literally a solid vet corner. 

[Rochesterfan]

I voted no, but if there was something available a cut or a trade - I would be fine.

 

I just don’t think with what is available you are getting any upgrades.  They have tried veteran CBs each of the last couple of years - guys that fit in and they do not work out.  I don’t want another higher priced former mediocre CB just because he was a name 3-4 years ago.

 

I would rather play through with these young kids and see where they can take me.

[BarleyNY]

8 hours ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said:

Don’t discount the correlation that beefing up our pass rush during the offseason should have to making life easier on our secondary—likely that’s our formula for covering up our depth issues if need be this year. 

I am absolutely discounting that theory because pass rush and coverage should help each other.  A team is way better off if both can do that rather than one always having to help the other.  That all said, I don’t think that the Bills fall into that category.  The starters in the secondary are plenty good enough to help a pass rush get home.  The real issue is depth because the Bills have very little in their secondary.  One injury and everything changes so the addition of a solid vet would help a lot in that regard. 

Edited August 19, 2021 by BarleyNY

[Blainorama5]

10 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

but what “solid” vet corners are floating around to be signed in august?

Exactly - not like they just grow on trees these days.

50 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

Levi Wallace is literally a solid vet corner. 

Agreed.  If he were cut for some reason (which obviously he won't be), he'd have a TON of teams hitting up his agent's phone!

[BarleyNY]

18 minutes ago, Blainorama5 said:

Exactly - not like they just grow on trees these days.

Agreed.  If he were cut for some reason (which obviously he won't be), he'd have a TON of teams hitting up his agent's phone!

DB depth is something that certainly could have been addressed already.  But here’s a few still available: Sherman (baggage), Robey-Coleman, Conley and Boston (S).

 

Not world beaters, but they’d all be cheap, except Sherman who is probably off the table anyway.  The name that interests me the most is Robey-Coleman.  I’d have wanted to see Conley in camp first.  Others will come available too. 

[JohnBonhamRocks]

Should have gotten Nelson who went to PHI for between $3-4M.

 

Voted Yes because I would not mind Sherman, Norman, or Gaines.

[Eastport bills]

The problem the Bills have is that there's little quality depth at corner and Wallace has missed time the last few seasons. I like Wallace but he is targeted a lot with Tre on other side. I thought they should have signed Nelson or brought some proven vet in already. I'm sure Beane is aware of this.

[Rigotz]

 

3 hours ago, Rc2catch said:

I chose NO… 

Simply because there were no options given. Josh norman is a veteran. Shall we sign him again? 
Easy to say we should do this or that, but there needs to be some options given 

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YoloinOhio said:

but what “solid” vet corners are floating around to be signed in august?

 

 

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TheyCallMeAndy said:

Levi Wallace is literally a solid vet corner. 

 

 

Go back and read the last line of my original post. Teams are going to have to make some tough decisions around final cuts.

 

We're potentially going to have to cut Darryl Johnson simply because our DE room is packed. He's a good player.

 

I don't think it's a reach to say that some other team out there has a good young CB room and is willing to cut an expensive veteran.

Nobody knows who that will be yet, so I can't tell you specific players. Nobody currently on the waivers.

 

Edited August 19, 2021 by Rigotz

[HappyDays]

If White or Wallace go down, call Richard Sherman. Probably not a popular opinion given the recent news. But assuming he isn't going to prison he is the type you could bring in mid-season and put on the field.

[machine gun kelly]

Happy, I agree in that he fits the scheme and has the experience to be a fill in if he is now cheap.

 

I don’t want to rehash all the Sherman stuff, but he wasn’t charged with a felony, didn’t hurt anyone, and has a pile of Mis. His lawyers will figure it out.  I’m not a Sherman fan off the field pre meltdown, but he can still fill in if we need him and he would be chopping at the bit to get in a SB bound possible team that fits his skills.  
 

Norman didn’t workout, but was another stop gap fill in as he plays what we need.  I don’t know what will happen, but I’m fine with a short list.  I just don’t think we need someone now.  That’s mine was a no.

Edited August 19, 2021 by machine gun kelly

[FilthyBeast]

12 hours ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

Yes, but not somebody washed up like Josh Norman. That experiment failed horribly. I really don't know who would be a good fit to be honest. It's too bad Sherman turned out to be a nut case.

 

Just speculation but I have to believe Sherman was this years 'Josh Norman' type of player that Beane and McD had in mind to sign before camp until his unfortunate incident. So wondering if there is a 'plan B' so to speak if not we really need to swing a trade sooner than later.

[ThurmanThomasEnglishMuffin]

2 hours ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

Levi Wallace is literally a solid vet corner. 

 

He is, and takes some unnecessary flak at times. But the cupboard is pretty bare after White, Wallace and Johnson.

 

Jackson is not the offseason hero people hoped he would be, and Wildgoose was getting cooked all game. Neal is not a boundary CB either.

 

DB depth is looking pretty weak

7 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said:

 

Just speculation but I have to believe Sherman was this years 'Josh Norman' type of player that Beane and McD had in mind to sign before camp until his unfortunate incident. So wondering if there is a 'plan B' so to speak if not we really need to swing a trade sooner than later.

can't disagree, should be interesting to see who is a surprise cut at roster cut downs

[GunnerBill]

17 minutes ago, ThurmanThomasEnglishMuffin said:

 

He is, and takes some unnecessary flak at times. But the cupboard is pretty bare after White, Wallace and Johnson.

 

Jackson is not the offseason hero people hoped he would be, and Wildgoose was getting cooked all game. Neal is not a boundary CB either.

 

Exactly. That is my concern. I am fine with our starting 3 (including Taron as the nickel) and I want to keep developing Dane. But as of right now if one of our 3 starters goes down I am majorly concerned. Nobody expects an upgrade on Levi to become available at cut downs. But can they find an upgrade on Dane is the question? 

[ThurmanThomasEnglishMuffin]

6 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Exactly. That is my concern. I am fine with our starting 3 (including Taron as the nickel) and I want to keep developing Dane. But as of right now if one of our 3 starters goes down I am majorly concerned. Nobody expects an upgrade on Levi to become available at cut downs. But can they find an upgrade on Dane is the question? 

 

We agree 100%. Taron Johnson has bloomed into a terrific nickel. Wallace gets thrown to as the weakest link, but has been very solid.

 

Been looking at FA CB and it is bad, hoping for a vet cut somewhere.

Nickel Robey Coleman was available until last week

Edited August 19, 2021 by ThurmanThomasEnglishMuffin

[Rochesterfan]

2 hours ago, BarleyNY said:

DB depth is something that certainly could have been addressed already.  But here’s a few still available: Sherman (baggage), Robey-Coleman, Conley and Boston (S).

 

Not world beaters, but they’d all be cheap, except Sherman who is probably off the table anyway.  The name that interests me the most is Robey-Coleman.  I’d have wanted to see Conley in camp first.  Others will come available too. 

 

Robey-Coleman is on Detroit - we saw him last weekend.

 

Sherman to me is exactly like what the Bills have done the last 2 years - he is a mediocre CB that was a name several years ago.  He would be ok if injuries hit, but I don’t think he is better than our current and I would rather see the young kids play.

 

Boston is a safety and was terrible last year - definitely not what they need.

 

Conley is at least young, but he has baggage big time and was injured last year.  Based upon his play - I am not sure he is better than Jackson or Wildgoose at this point.

 

For me the only way this works is if a veteran on a bad team wants out - like Bell on the Jets last year - and you can get him on a super cheap deal or you trade some depth - DE, DT, OL and get a younger veteran CB in return, but even in those cases you are picking up someone else’s unwanted and hoping it is better than guys this staff likes.

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

5 hours ago, CLTbills said:

I don't know that I necessarily agree with that. I mean he definitely wasn't 2015-level Josh Norman, but I wouldn't say that it "failed horribly." He was a decent backup, which is what he was brought in to be.

 

Getting posterized by Derrick Henry has people thinking that he was the most horrible thing on the entire team last year.

 

Norman was picked on quite a bit from what I remember especially by Rivers in the playoffs. I might of worded my first post wrong. 

[Scott7975]

I say yes, but realistically it's not likely to happen.  The Bills will probably roll with what they have other than maybe some depth exchange.

[BarleyNY]

11 minutes ago, Rochesterfan said:

 

Robey-Coleman is on Detroit - we saw him last weekend.

 

Sherman to me is exactly like what the Bills have done the last 2 years - he is a mediocre CB that was a name several years ago.  He would be ok if injuries hit, but I don’t think he is better than our current and I would rather see the young kids play.

 

Boston is a safety and was terrible last year - definitely not what they need.

 

Conley is at least young, but he has baggage big time and was injured last year.  Based upon his play - I am not sure he is better than Jackson or Wildgoose at this point.

 

For me the only way this works is if a veteran on a bad team wants out - like Bell on the Jets last year - and you can get him on a super cheap deal or you trade some depth - DE, DT, OL and get a younger veteran CB in return, but even in those cases you are picking up someone else’s unwanted and hoping it is better than guys this staff likes.

Good call on Robey-Coleman.  I didn’t notice him.  I see that he signed a couple weeks ago.  But my point stands.  This isn’t an issue that just popped up.  Players like him have been available.  It’s becoming more difficult to find a decent option, but it could’ve been avoided. 

[Rochesterfan]

18 minutes ago, BarleyNY said:

Good call on Robey-Coleman.  I didn’t notice him.  I see that he signed a couple weeks ago.  But my point stands.  This isn’t an issue that just popped up.  Players like him have been available.  It’s becoming more difficult to find a decent option, but it could’ve been avoided. 

 

It could have been avoided - if and only if the staff believes there is a depth issue.  
 

I think they always like more veterans, but I don’t think they believe the issue is bad at all.

 

Especially if they play more aggressively- I think they will be fine with the guys they have.  
 

I don’t think they believe even guys like Nelson were real improvements.

[BarleyNY]

6 minutes ago, Rochesterfan said:

 

It could have been avoided - if and only if the staff believes there is a depth issue.  
 

I think they always like more veterans, but I don’t think they believe the issue is bad at all.

 

Especially if they play more aggressively- I think they will be fine with the guys they have.  
 

I don’t think they believe even guys like Nelson were real improvements.

Hopefully we stay healthy and don't have to find out.

[Don Otreply]

 There is no magic bullet as it were, in the parlance, next man up! 
 

I’m more worried about running out of beer than who our back up for what ever position is, it’s a rare backup that doesn’t disappoint, it’s just how it is. 
 

That and we are winning it all regardless, 
 

Go Bills!!!

 

Edited August 19, 2021 by Don Otreply

[hemma]

I’m guessing that Beane’s pro scouts are watching all the preseason games very closely, hoping to spot a young, promising guy they can pick up in a lightly noticed trade.  

 

IMO, the ‘seasoned vet’ move would only happen as a post-injury, last resort.

[DrDawkinstein]

I'm counting on Dane Jackson to develop. He showed flashes last year. Could be our new Jabari Greer.

1 hour ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

 

Norman was picked on quite a bit from what I remember especially by Rivers in the playoffs. I might of worded my first post wrong. 

 

Our #2 will always be picked on. They arent going to throw at Tre.

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

3 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:

I'm counting on Dane Jackson to develop. He showed flashes last year. Could be our new Jabari Greer.

 

Our #2 will always be picked on. They arent going to throw at Tre.

 

That's true, but there's levels to it. The best example I can use is someone like Terrence McGee who was probably IMO the best #2 CB we've had (and kick returner.) A guy best suited having a shutdown guy like Clements/White on the field w/ him, but could also line up at #1 in a pinch. 

 

I'm fine w/ Levi as the roster stands now, but as OP pointed out, that roster is pretty pathetic when you take Tre White out of the equation. I'm a heck of a lot more comfortable w/ Wallace than Norman, though. I saw him blanket DeAndre Hopkins in the endzone along w/ make a game sealing pick against the Steelers. Bills fans need to realize we could also do much worse. 👍

Edited August 19, 2021 by ChronicAndKnuckles

[John from Riverside]

In the offseason I would have voted no

 

but I keep hearing disturbing comments about Dane struggling in camp....I did not expect that

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

6 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

In the offseason I would have voted no

 

but I keep hearing disturbing comments about Dane struggling in camp....I did not expect that

 

IDK, he's a 7th rounder in his first ever training camp. Although he showed flashes, I'm not surprised at all. 

[billsfan89]

Solid CB’s won’t be cut but there are likely to be some vets available.

[Giuseppe Tognarelli]

McDermott has a thing for going thin at the CB position. Don't expect any additions. This has been a thing every single year.

[Putin]

20 hours ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

Levi Wallace is literally a solid vet corner. 

Pats and dolphins  are  solid  at CB2 

Levi is below average 

 

[GunnerBill]

11 hours ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said:

McDermott has a thing for going thin at the CB position. Don't expect any additions. This has been a thing every single year.

 

Going thin in terms of numbers, yes. It is now usual for them to only carry 5. I don't think they will have been this thin in terms of experience before. There is no Kevin Johnson or EJ Gaines or Josh Norman on this roster to backup their two starters. If one goes down there are straight on to a 2nd year 7th rounder who has been up and down to say the least in camp and has very little NFL experience. Speaking of Kevin Johnson he "retired" in June after signing a one year deal with the Titans and then seeing them draft two corners. I wonder if he might be open to a phone call? He is only 29 and started 13 games for the Browns last year. 

[Magox]

On 8/18/2021 at 11:10 PM, DCofNC said:

Really surprised they didn’t get Nelson, seemed like he went cheap

Me too, I was hoping we would get him.  He definitely would have been competing to beat out Levi, even though Levi always seems to beat out his competition.

[JMF2006]

I vote no we have 2 solid outside guys and a handful of capable inside guys.

 

Heaven forbid #1 or #2 go down but if that should happen then you go shopping.

 

 

[dave mcbride]

On 8/19/2021 at 12:44 AM, Turk71 said:

A decent pass rush will definitely help the secondary out but it won't make up for a weak link at cb. If the Bills are forced to field an easy target at cb they'll be in trouble imo, especially against the top teams. I would hate to see that be the thing that holds them back.

This is so true.

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

On 8/19/2021 at 5:54 AM, Doc Brown said:

I doubt it barring an injury.  They pry have Josh Norman on speed dial.

That’s what I am thinking too. Norman will be re-signed if they have space, or are in a jam during the season. 
 

As I recall, you can sign people after week 1 and then their salaries don’t become guaranteed. So maybe they sign him then? 

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

4 hours ago, Putin said:

Pats and dolphins  are  solid  at CB2 

Levi is below average 

 

 

But are there other positions where the Pats and Fish  are thinner than the Bills?   You have to have some weaker positions than others, every team does, it's just a question of where.

 

Personally I'd vote more for picking up a vet for depth on the offensive line.  To me that looks worse.  On the other hand O lineman rarely come out of the game other than for injury while secondary are always going in and out.  But would like to see better experienced depth at OT.

[Victory Formation]

It wouldn’t surprise me. I’ve been saying it for months now. CB is obviously our weakest unit. Tre is a superstar and Levi is a solid starter but there is little to no depth behind them. Is Siran Neal more than just a big nickel? Would McCloud or Jackson be able to float sink or swim time?

 

Ultimately I do think Buffalo will add another corner, likely as other teams start trimming their rosters. There could be salary cap casualties, other teams may be deeper at corner than we are and one shakes free and I wouldn’t rule out a trade either.

 

In the end, CB/DB/secondary is Coach McDermott’s forte. I would consider it folly to think that he isn’t aware of what he has there. A lot of our guys may not be household names, but he is aware of what he has there and I doubt he would overlook that area once again.

 

I could also see another TE added or perhaps even a WR as well. We do have some quality at WR but if a really solid vet shakes free, it wouldn’t surprise me at all to see someone added in that event.

 

Every year solid players become available via roster trim downs. So ultimately, in the end, I think McD/Beane will have to play the board and see who becomes available, but no, I do not think we’re done yet, not even close.

[Royale with Cheese]

Levi Wallace is someone I'm really pulling for.  Every year we bring in someone to essentially take his job but he wins the competition each year....this year as well.

I would feel better if we brought it at least one more corner.  Someone decent should be getting cut in the next two weeks.

[wppete]

Yes I think a vet would be a good idea. Levi looks solid and probably the starter. But what vets are CB are still out there? Absolutely noway to the dirtbag Sherman on this team. That video of him the threatening  his family said it all. 
 

 

Edited August 20, 2021 by wppete

[BigAl2526]

As far as current available free agents are concerned, one can only guess why Buffalo hasn't reached out to anybody.  Presumably, they either don't like available possible signings that much, or they don't think the need justifies what somebody they like would cost.  Beane will watch the waiver wire because that's what he does.  We'll have to wait and see if he does anything besides watch.

[MasterStrategist]

As others noted, I trust McDermott and Frazier the most with secondary valuations.  Last season, our dline underperformed.  We upgraded for sure there, and that will pay dividends for the back 7.  

 

I'm less concerned about Levi, but depth like others noted.  However, give Dane and Wildgoose a chance.  Both were coached well in college, physical corners and have the other intangibles to be good in our defense.  Neither is Tre White good, but let's be honest, we aren't replacing Tre with anyone cut at this point, or later, if Tre would to get injured.  Dane could replace Levi, yes a downgrade now but he is more than capable.

 

Our dline plays like they should, and Tremaine/Milano rebound, then our defense will be much improved.  Now if someone unexpected is let go, then I agree we should keep options open.  But I see it unlikely