Trade Buzzards beginning to circle on Bills veteran Dlinemen Hughes and Addison

[NewEra]

33 minutes ago, MJS said:

Addison led the team in sacks, you know...

 

Sorry, but Hughes is old and hasn't produced sacks in years. He is a fine player but I would move on from him in a heartbeat if we got a good offer for him. I'd move on from him AND Addison in a heartbeat. I'm ready to let all the younger guys contribute and develop. I don't care about how many "pressures" Hughes gets. He never gets home and he has pissed off the refs to the point that they have blackballed him and never call holding for him. He is an above average player and I'm not sure why everyone is so attached to him and act like he is an elite difference maker. He isn't.

 

Ask anyone who isn't a Bills fan about Jerry Hughes and they'll say "Who?". Not exactly a guy who is making an impact and turning heads as a pass rusher.

 

Don't get me wrong, I like him and think he is a good player, but his best years are behind him for sure. He is totally the kind of high priced, old veteran that teams move on from. But truthfully? Nobody is going to offer anything good for him in a trade. Why would they?

And sacks.

Stop looking at the stat sheet and pay more attention to what jerry does in the game.  He makes an impact on the opposing passing game.  Addison does not.  Please don’t act like leading the team with 4 sacks is some accomplishment.  Look up their pass rush win rate and hurries then talk to me.  There’s a reason Addison took a pay cut and Jerry didn’t.  Jerry is a beast.  Addison is an overpaid and easily replacement DE.  
 

I have a lot of respect for you as a poster so I’m really surprised you would have this take tbh.  

26 minutes ago, MJS said:

Well, last off-season Bills fans and sports media were talking about how much they liked the signing of Addison and how it was a good below the radar move. I'm sure you weren't because you hate everything, but most people were. He was averaging nearly 10 sacks a season the previous 4 seasons. So yeah, hindsight is 20/20.

And theN we saw him play for 16 games. He changed our minds real

quick.  He stunk.  Don’t compare Addison and Jerry.  There is no comparison to what each player did on the football field last season

 

Not like pff is the gospel or anything, but Jerry had a 75 pff rating.  Addison, 56. As expected . 

Edited July 1, 2021 by NewEra

[MJS]

39 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Stop looking at the stat sheet and pay more attention to what jerry does in the game.  He makes an impact on the opposing passing game.  Addison does not.  Please don’t act like leading the team with 4 sacks is some accomplishment.  Look up their pass rush win rate and hurries then talk to me.  There’s a reason Addison took a pay cut and Jerry didn’t.  Jerry is a beast.  Addison is an overpaid and easily replacement DE.  
 

I have a lot of respect for you as a poster so I’m really surprised you would have this take tbh.  

And theN we saw him play for 16 games. He changed our minds real

quick.  He stunk.  Don’t compare Addison and Jerry.  There is no comparison to what each player did on the football field last season

 

Not like pff is the gospel or anything, but Jerry had a 75 pff rating.  Addison, 56. As expected . 

I'm not really comparing them. I'd be fine with both of them leaving. I like Hughes. He is a good player. But I don't put as much stock into pass rush win rate and pressures as everyone else, apparently. I want a defensive end who can finish. I have always felt that Jerry Hughes shines best when he has another elite rusher to take the pressure off him, like when he had Mario Williams. But we haven't had that in a long time.

 

He's old. He is a decent player. But I'd move on from him if there was a good offer or if the young guys show they can contribute sooner than expected.

 

As for Addison, I think he is a better player than what he showed last year, but I would not mind moving on from him either.

 

Advanced stats tell a story, but they will never be worth as much as the basic stats of sacks, hits, tackles, tackles for loss, forced fumbles, etc. That's my opinion, anyway.

 

And I do pay attention to Hughes in the game and he does have an impact, but not as much as I would like. He'll put together a good game or two, sometimes a really excellent game, then have a stretch of three games where his impact is minimal.

Edited July 1, 2021 by MJS

[John from Riverside]

8 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said:

If you can't cut Addison for cap reasons you can't trade him either. It has the same effect on the cap.

Hughes is still the best pass rusher on the team and is on the final year of his contract.  No reason to trade him.

Who is to say that Addison cannot be cut I think he can be cut

[machine gun kelly]

This is about as newsworthy as the article on the main board from the voice of the Eagles saying a trade is imminent for Ertz.  He even writes in the column I have no inside information.  There is nothing to trading Hughes or Addison.  Like many, I have no issues with trading for Addison, but Hughes, no.  That won’t happen.  I believe they won’t extend either after this year, especially if they see advances from the rookies and Epenesa.

[Thurman#1]

11 hours ago, IgotBILLStopay said:

We have been very aware of this possibility for a while (I know I have posted it since the second round of the draft).That being said, we all know that, at least with Hughes,  it is too too premature without knowing how the rookies and Epenesa and Obada do in pads and a Bills uniform. Addison, however, is fair game (I wanted to include him in a trade with Atlanta for TE Hurst). Some writers are starting to take note of the Bills' surplus at DE. FWIW, I like it that these are trade candidates rather than release candidates - shows they still have reasonable contracts and have value.

 

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2944933-1-player-each-nfl-team-should-consider-trading-before-the-2021-season

 

 

With respect to other teams' assets, I wouldnt mind trading for a safety from the Rams or WFT. Need some depth behind Hyde and Poyer.

 

 

Oh, man, misleading headline!

 

Those aren't trade buzzards circling. Those are some people with no connection to any team saying it's their opinion that trade buzzards should be circling.

[YoloinOhio]

2 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

Who is to say that Addison cannot be cut I think he can be cut

I believe the  restructure of his contract in the off-season makes it unlikely. His previous contract was much more conducive to that. 

[CSBill]

I think Addison is a real possibility for being cut. .... Thus, if some team will give you anything, sure, take it. .... But if said team is patient, they will probably be able to get him after he's cut in late August. .... Hughes, not so much. He's not going anywhere.

[H2o]

You keep Hughes. Period. He is the emotional leader on this defense and he still gets after it. If someone wants to trade for Addison? I'm all for picking up another draft pick on that. 

[CNYfan]

I think Hughes got after it in the Playoffs, big time.  He was in on Rivers and Jackson at some key moments.  

[Kwai San]

14 hours ago, msw2112 said:

I don't think it makes sense to trade a proven producer and veteran team leader in Hughes when the three young guys are unknown quantities.  Two are rookies and one is a 2nd year guy who got limited reps last year.  Addision, on the other hand, was brought in as a veteran, has only been with the team one year, and he was not particularly productive, so I could see moving on from him.  That said, did Addison restructure his contract?  If so, parting ways with a guy who made that concession for the team is not a good look as far as attracting future free agents.  The Bills are probably good enough to be able to overcome that, but it still isn't a good look.

 

FTFY......

[TheBeaneBandit]

I'd need a 3rd to move Jerry, but nobody gonna offer that, so he stays. Addison I'd take a 7th. Just freeing up money would be worth it, and then that even might give us enough cash for a trade, so even better. 

[IgotBILLStopay]

9 hours ago, Limeaid said:

 

No sense trading for safety when they let Dean Marlowe go and he wanted to stay.

He was a very adequate player when called on defense AND he was good on special teams.

If he was on roster defense could have Groot and Baby Groot with their hair.

I thought they wanted him but were only offering the minimum and the Lions beat that with 1.127 mill. So he was a 2021 tight cap casualty. Do I have the narrative wrong?

[Mr. WEO]

8 hours ago, MJS said:

Addison led the team in sacks, you know...

 

Sorry, but Hughes is old and hasn't produced sacks in years. He is a fine player but I would move on from him in a heartbeat if we got a good offer for him. I'd move on from him AND Addison in a heartbeat. I'm ready to let all the younger guys contribute and develop. I don't care about how many "pressures" Hughes gets. He never gets home and he has pissed off the refs to the point that they have blackballed him and never call holding for him. He is an above average player and I'm not sure why everyone is so attached to him and act like he is an elite difference maker. He isn't.

 

Ask anyone who isn't a Bills fan about Jerry Hughes and they'll say "Who?". Not exactly a guy who is making an impact and turning heads as a pass rusher.

 

Don't get me wrong, I like him and think he is a good player, but his best years are behind him for sure. He is totally the kind of high priced, old veteran that teams move on from. But truthfully? Nobody is going to offer anything good for him in a trade. Why would they?

And sacks.

 

 

Nope.  He was tied with the great AJ Klein with 5.

[Mr. WEO]

8 hours ago, MJS said:

Well, last off-season Bills fans and sports media were talking about how much they liked the signing of Addison and how it was a good below the radar move. I'm sure you weren't because you hate everything, but most people were. He was averaging nearly 10 sacks a season the previous 4 seasons. So yeah, hindsight is 20/20.

 

Signing a 9 year journeyman to 10+ million a year after a few good seasons was not universally viewed as a great move here last year.

 

Here:

 

 

[Royale with Cheese]

The word out of OTA's is Addison is noticeably trimmer.  Hopefully it makes a difference.

I think AJ starts over him with the first unit.  Shot in the dark guess....his 56% snap count last year drops to about 40% this year.

[NewEra]

8 hours ago, MJS said:

I'm not really comparing them. I'd be fine with both of them leaving. I like Hughes. He is a good player. But I don't put as much stock into pass rush win rate and pressures as everyone else, apparently. I want a defensive end who can finish. I have always felt that Jerry Hughes shines best when he has another elite rusher to take the pressure off him, like when he had Mario Williams. But we haven't had that in a long time.

 

He's old. He is a decent player. But I'd move on from him if there was a good offer or if the young guys show they can contribute sooner than expected.

 

As for Addison, I think he is a better player than what he showed last year, but I would not mind moving on from him either.

 

Advanced stats tell a story, but they will never be worth as much as the basic stats of sacks, hits, tackles, tackles for loss, forced fumbles, etc. That's my opinion, anyway.

 

And I do pay attention to Hughes in the game and he does have an impact, but not as much as I would like. He'll put together a good game or two, sometimes a really excellent game, then have a stretch of three games where his impact is minimal.

This just doesn’t make sense.  To each their own

[MJS]

48 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

Nope.  He was tied with the great AJ Klein with 5.

Which lead the team...

[T master]

Jerry needs to retire a Buffalo Bill after all he has given to the team i would hope that McBeane would at least give him that much respect sure he didn't start out as a Bill but he will be a Buffalo Bill and one of their best team players forever as far as i'm concerned !! 

[BigAl2526]

13 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said:

He will make the roster. They can't go into the season with 2 rookies and Epenesa opposite Hughes.  Not if they are trying to win it all this year.

I think Efi Obada has a chance to make the roster over Addison.  He is physically more adapted to the LDE spot than Addison.

[MJS]

1 hour ago, ScottLaw said:

I thought it was noticeable that Addisons performance fell off in the 2019 season as he clearly lost a step. Of course I got flamed for that opinion here before being prove right last season….

 

Well, you know what they say about broken clocks...

[Captain Hindsight]

Hughes has more value to the team than a 4th round pick

 

This team was in the AFCCG 6 months ago. Keep your good players, this isn't a time to sell assets

[Dablitzkrieg]

[blacklabel]

Maybe they trade a guy like Addison if someone like Epenesa or Obada, or even one of the rookies really impresses through camp and pre-season and make Addison expendable. It's definitely a no-go for me on Hughes. Dude is one of the heart and soul types on this team and has really grown into a leader role since McDermott took over. The thing to remember with McDermott and Beane is the on-field production isn't always paramount in their decision making on who they bring in. They bring in guys with elite work ethics and practice habits because they want their younger talent to see that and model after it. They're basically saying, "You wanna hang around for ten or more years in this league? Then be around this player as much as possible, soak up any info he gives you, look at his practice habits, etc. etc."

 

So, guys like Hughes are really important in that sense. And while his straight sack numbers have hovered around 4-6 for the last couple seasons, he's one of the only ones on the team that puts consistent pressure on the QB. Doesn't always get home, but he disrupts a lot of plays. He's still got plenty left in the tank, although I do hope one of the younger guys can step up so they don't have to rely on him quite as much and can use him more in straight pass rushing situations and just let him go after the QB and not have to worry about other assignments as often.

[RoyBatty is alive]

21 hours ago, IgotBILLStopay said:

We have been very aware of this possibility for a while (I know I have posted it since the second round of the draft).That being said, we all know that, at least with Hughes,  it is too too premature without knowing how the rookies and Epenesa and Obada do in pads and a Bills uniform. Addison, however, is fair game (I wanted to include him in a trade with Atlanta for TE Hurst). Some writers are starting to take note of the Bills' surplus at DE. FWIW, I like it that these are trade candidates rather than release candidates - shows they still have reasonable contracts and have value.

 

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2944933-1-player-each-nfl-team-should-consider-trading-before-the-2021-season

 

 

With respect to other teams' assets, I wouldnt mind trading for a safety from the Rams or WFT. Need some depth behind Hyde and Poyer.

 

 

You cant slip anything past "the writers", i guess their first clue was out drafting 2 DE in the first two rounds.

[eball]

20 hours ago, NewEra said:

Yeah.  The thing is, Beane should be doing the right thing for Addison as well.  We don’t know what was said between BB and Addison, but depending on the verbiage of their agreement, Beane doesn’t want to get the reputation of saying one thing and doing another within the locker room and nfl circles.  GMs have a reputation to uphold and I think Beane knows and respects that. 

Agree completely. Beane and Addison apparently spoke right after the draft. We don’t know what was said but whatever it was, I’m thinking Beane will want to abide by his words. 

[LABILLBACKER]

21 hours ago, Weatherman said:

Hughes is the only player on this team that can put pressure on the QB (the rookies and FAs at this point are an unknown).  Trade Addison for a bag of peanuts, but Hughes belongs on this team.  

Completely agree. Jerry deserves to play this season. I could care less what happens to Addison. And please never insult a bag of peanuts like that again. 

[Big Blitz]

Do people not understand what Jerry means in that locker room to this team?

 

Everyone is always "available" but in no way would I consider this.   

 

I think the loss of Alexander was an overall net negative for the defense last year.  Don't get me wrong I'm in no way saying if he's there we're a much better D no not what I'm saying.  As an example maybe if he's there we don't nearly cough up a 24-10 lead in the 4th quarter vs the Colts.  Maybe he can get their minds right as the Chiefs run game is steam rolling them I don't know.   But there is something calming about their presence and having vets like that are valuable. 

 

I think losing Gore had a negative impact on Singletary.  Yea it sucked watching him run but Singletary was like a sponge around him and maybe he had extra juice because something in him didn't want to let Gore down if that makes sense.  Respected 'warriors' giving everything they have is a big deal to have especially to young guys.  

 

There are just some vets that are vital in ways no analytics can measure.  They had a massive leadership void when McCoy and then Alexander left - and it's clearly been filled by Hughes.  What he means to these young DEs yea think the impact Gore had on our RBs.    

[Patrick Duffy]

1 hour ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Completely agree. Jerry deserves to play this season. I could care less what happens to Addison. And please never insult a bag of peanuts like that again. 

Agree. Yeah imo I think odd man out will likely be Addison. With the 2 rookies and Star's return I think they likely part ways.. but honestly have no idea. Just a guess like a few others. Too early to tell anything anyway..

[billybrew1]

I'd be shocked if Beane were to get anything for Hughes or Addison. I'd be further shocked if Hughes or Addison went and didn't just retire if this happened.  Hughes bleeds Buffalo Blue and wants that Super Bowl. Addison also wants a Super Bowl Having been close the one time.

It sez here Beane is stuck with these guys. 

Having said that, I also thought it was impossible to trade Lee Smith and his contract so whotf knows?

And with regards to Mr. Hughes, he may still be our best, IDK, I havta see the new kids, but his play slipped last year in the playoffs.....He just lost that dangerous burst he has been saving for big games, imho....

[RoyBatty is alive]

2 hours ago, Captain Hindsight said:

Hughes has more value to the team than a 4th round pick

 

This team was in the AFCCG 6 months ago. Keep your good players, this isn't a time to sell assets

Bill Belichek would disagree

[Victory Formation]

4 hours ago, BigAl2526 said:

I think Efi Obada has a chance to make the roster over Addison.  He is physically more adapted to the LDE spot than Addison.

Can play inside/outside too, which matters.

[BigAl2526]

3 hours ago, Victory Formation said:

Can play inside/outside too, which matters.

Yeah, that too.

[ThurmanThomasEnglishMuffin]

On 6/30/2021 at 5:17 PM, Heitz said:

This is a full opinion piece, so take it w a grain of salt.  I mean, they needed to put someone on their list - its one player from each team...

 

 

Yep and if you look at the list they have some far fetched ideas on it. Not the best summer doldrums article I've read.

[ColoradoBills]

As I see it, barring injuries, it's most likely a camp battle between Addison and Obada.

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

On 7/5/2021 at 2:29 PM, ColoradoBills said:

As I see it, barring injuries, it's most likely a camp battle between Addison and Obada.

 

If its close - money says obada sticks.  Addison has no major cap savings (maybe 2 million?), it looks like his base is not guaranteed unless he's injured but he might be able to ***** a late pick.

[Bray Wyatt]

On 7/1/2021 at 12:45 PM, Dablitzkrieg said:

 

Heyyyyyyyy

[3rdand12]

On 6/30/2021 at 5:55 PM, NewEra said:

Yeah.  The thing is, Beane should be doing the right thing for Addison as well.  We don’t know what was said between BB and Addison, but depending on the verbiage of their agreement, Beane doesn’t want to get the reputation of saying one thing and doing another within the locker room and nfl circles.  GMs have a reputation to uphold and I think Beane knows and respects that. 

I am of the opinion Addison is i=one of the vets who will be bringing the "kids" up tp pro level play and method.
Hughes and Addison should remain. But likely their last season coming up. Lets make it special !

[FilthyBeast]

We should have move on from Addison like we did Jefferson after one year, but it didn't happen for obvious reasons (i.e. Carolina connection).

 

I could see him being this years 'Trent Murphy' in terms of highly paid insurance that's inactive most weeks especially given how crowded the Dline is with the addition of high draft picks.

[Punching Bag]

4 hours ago, FilthyBeast said:

We should have move on from Addison like we did Jefferson after one year, but it didn't happen for obvious reasons (i.e. Carolina connection).

 

I could see him being this years 'Trent Murphy' in terms of highly paid insurance that's inactive most weeks especially given how crowded the Dline is with the addition of high draft picks.

 

"Carolina connection" is over emphasized by fans and media.  It is just too easy to write that.

 

They are reason players may be getting a close examination but not dominating reason why they are signed.  Many veteran players are over paid for contract, connected or not, because teams are betting they will continue to get better and sometimes they are wrong; some players lose drive after a while or the injuries which they played through catch up with them.

 

And the buzzard's name is "baseless speculation".

[foreboding]

Hughes is a lock for the roster, as he ought to be.

Addison is a slim possibility, and largely depends on one of our rooks or EJ showing something real in TC.