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34 minutes ago, Limeaid said:

 

Because the cost of a retractable roof stadium able to handle snow in snowbelt of WNY is very expensive and not cost effective.  Minnesota's collapsed from 17 inches of snow the Orchard Park has gotten more WET snow than that.  

If you are saying keep in open in cold weather when chance of snow you are eliminating advantage.

Minnesota's replacement stadium is a possibility but that roof is not retractable.

 

 

The roof of this dome was pretty much a thick tarp. They don't build them like this anymore and haven't for a while. Snow wouldn't be much of an issue. 

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52 minutes ago, pepsicat17 said:


The Bills fan in me is thrilled but it doesn’t really make a whole lot of sense financially for tons of reasons. A multi-use retractable roof stadium would be best for year-long events (as long as the Bills are never allowed to close the roof - best of both worlds IMO).

Perhaps, but what events are we talking about?  I'm just not convinced that the extra cost would be worth it - especially in OP.

 

 

38 minutes ago, purple haze said:

What people are those?  It was always, most likely, going to be an outdoor venue with 65-67 thousand seats.  A roof adds a great deal to the cost of a new building.  People in this thread are already upset about potential PSL’s and higher ticket prices.   Those would be higher with a roof.

This x 1,000

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58 minutes ago, Limeaid said:

 

Because the cost of a retractable roof stadium able to handle snow in snowbelt of WNY is very expensive and not cost effective.  Minnesota's collapsed from 17 inches of snow the Orchard Park has gotten more WET snow than that.  

If you are saying keep in open in cold weather when chance of snow you are eliminating advantage.

Minnesota's replacement stadium is a possibility but that roof is not retractable.

 

 

If that’s the reason it makes sense but I don’t buy the whole “winter elements” as an advantage.  We’ve seen warm weather teams come into Buffalo and play real well.  It’s foolish IMO not to build a roof, if the idea is to protect the elements.

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2 minutes ago, JohnNord said:

If that’s the reason it makes sense but I don’t buy the whole “winter elements” as an advantage.  We’ve seen warm weather teams come into Buffalo and play real well.  It’s foolish IMO not to build a roof, if the idea is to protect the elements.

 

That is not what I am saying.  I am saying if the retractable roof is not strong enough to support snow during season and playoffs and needs to be left open to prevent damage then the fans are losing advantage of roof.

 

I am very aware of the argument that snow is not advantage to Bills players anymore.

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3 minutes ago, JohnNord said:

If that’s the reason it makes sense but I don’t buy the whole “winter elements” as an advantage.  We’ve seen warm weather teams come into Buffalo and play real well.  It’s foolish IMO not to build a roof, if the idea is to protect the elements.

If they do something like the old Dallas stadium, cover the fans, but leave the field exposed, I think that would work.

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1 minute ago, klos63 said:

If they do something like the old Dallas stadium, cover the fans, but leave the field exposed, I think that would work.

 

A friend of mine, a professional architect who is now deceased, was asked to submit a idea design for a stadium to Bills. 

It was an open roof type stadium with but had a dome style shape with roof designed to help snow fall off top and pile along edges.

Beautiful design wish I could describe better but definitely not type of roof old Dallas stadium had.

He designed the new "Buffalo Wing" at Jimmy's Old Town Tavern.

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https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/06/18/reports-bills-plan-new-stadium-in-orchard-park/

 

The Bills are planning a new outdoor stadium in Orchard Park, New York, according to multiple reports.

Thad Brown of WROC reports the new stadium, which will have a partial covering for fans, will take 3-5 years from start to finish. The Bills could open their new facility as early as 2025, but 2026 or 2027 is more likely.

 

The team still needs government approvals, including funding, which could delay the timetable, per Brown.

 

The Bills’ current lease at Highmark Stadium expires in 2023. The team could extend the lease with Erie County and New York, but the Bills are prepared to consider other options for home games, including Toronto and Penn State, Brown reports.

The Bills have played at their current stadium since 1973.

 

Brown reports the team has hired Legends Global Sales to sell sponsorships and premium seats for the new Bills stadium, and Legends Global Planning will serve as an owner’s consultant.

 

Both companies are co-owned by Cowboys owner Jerry Jones and Yankee Global Enterprises

 

 

https://www.rochesterfirst.com/sports/buffalo-bills/bills-planning-new-outdoor-stadium-in-orchard-park/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

 

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I don’t like any possibility of playing  in Toronto or at Penn State.  

 

Seems very Pegulish, even ridiculous, to mention Penn State, when all they have to do extend the lease until the new facility is built.  
 

 

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8 minutes ago, Charles Romes said:

Perfect!  Fiscally responsible, will be awesome if the stadium is oriented the correct direction this time for wind blocking, to avoid crazy wind games like they ravens last year. They had to reorient the Ralph when they dug up a cemetery. 

Not sure there is a correct direction for every game.  ?? 
 

Part of the charm of “Rich Stadium” was the wind and it is a real advantage if the home team gets the right kickers and learns how to play there.  

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1 minute ago, Bob in STL said:

I don’t any possibility of playing  in Toronto or at Penn State.  

 

Seems very Pegulish, even ridiculous, to mention Penn State, when all they have to do extend the lease until the new facility is built.  
 

 


Possible OP may need to be demolished or services compromised for new stadium. 

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Terrible, decades long missed opportunity to make it a dome and downtown (if that was possible)

37 minutes ago, QCity said:

Outdoor, yeah! Stuff it, dome-lovers!

real mature, lets keep this message board civil by attacking people who don't agree with you.

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28 minutes ago, Bob in STL said:

I don’t like any possibility of playing  in Toronto or at Penn State.  

 

Seems very Pegulish, even ridiculous, to mention Penn State, when all they have to do extend the lease until the new facility is built.  
 

 

Playing  games away from Buffalo would make the franchise seem very bush league imo. It’s just not something NFL teams do while building a new stadium. 

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50 minutes ago, QCity said:

Outdoor, yeah! Stuff it, dome-lovers!

Stuff it? So now they're going to spend a billion dollars on something no one needs. At least a dome made logical sense. 

 

Logic doesn't always matter to people though. 

5 minutes ago, SirAndrew said:

Playing  games away from Buffalo would make the franchise seem very bush league imo. It’s just not something NFL teams do while building a new stadium. 

There's not many options. But ultimately they will extend the lease if needed. 

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It should have a roof similar to what the Vikes have.  A retractable roof is a waste of money because they rarely get used.  The elements don't help the Bills anymore as they are a passing team first now.  It would also get more people to the stadium in cold weather and probably attract more players.

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55 minutes ago, Bob in STL said:

I don’t like any possibility of playing  in Toronto or at Penn State.  

 

Seems very Pegulish, even ridiculous, to mention Penn State, when all they have to do extend the lease until the new facility is built.  
 

 


If the new facility is on the same site, or even in one of the parking lots, which I suspect it will be, they will need to find a home for a couple years.

 

Heck, play the games at UB. Only 25 thousand seats as of now but maybe they could expand that stadium by 10 to 20 thousand before the move needs to be made.

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1 hour ago, Charles Romes said:

Perfect!  Fiscally responsible, will be awesome if the stadium is oriented the correct direction this time for wind blocking, to avoid crazy wind games like they ravens last year. They had to reorient the Ralph when they dug up a cemetery. 

 

 

Can do that with a dome....

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10 minutes ago, Doc said:

It should have a roof similar to what the Vikes have.  A retractable roof is a waste of money because they rarely get used.  The elements don't help the Bills anymore as they are a passing team first now.  It would also get more people to the stadium in cold weather and probably attract more players.

 

 

I respect your opinion on what you'd prefer to have. But what the Bills team is NOW shouldn't play into this decision, at all, IMO. The team won't be the same in 2025-2026. And what about the team in 2030?  Building a stadium with the current team in mind is a fool's errand, IMO.

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2 minutes ago, Not at the table Karlos said:

I'd rather deal with ub and their terrible stadium and traffic in and out 

 

You do realize the Bills will be playing in OP until the new stadium is open, right? Is Erie County going to simply refuse to take the Bills' money until the stadium is ready? That's just crazy. This is just a negotiating ploy, and something that says "We have options". Everyone needs to unbunch their panties. 

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18 minutes ago, The Dean said:

I respect your opinion on what you'd prefer to have. But what the Bills team is NOW shouldn't play into this decision, at all, IMO. The team won't be the same in 2025-2026. And what about the team in 2030?  Building a stadium with the current team in mind is a fool's errand, IMO.

 

It's a passing league now/for the foreseeable future, Dean.  If the time comes (again) when the Bills don't have a franchise QB, the elements won't make much of a difference, again not that they really have anyway.  I think that the Colts game in 2017 and the Ravens playoff game were a lot closer than they should have been because of the elements.  And having a dome allows it to be used for other things all year round.

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