RD 1, Pick 30: Greg Rousseau, Edge (Miami) Public Poll Added

[White Linen]

10 minutes ago, BigDingus said:

Like I said, I'm not knocking the pick, just pointing out what they said in the article I shared. How many years in college did Nick Bosa play? Were Bosa's times all worse off than scouts expected & did he put on weight in his year off? 

I think these are the things that mattered (I'm not saying they shouldn't or shouldn't matter) to the scouts. Hell, that article even said he's now projecting to be the 29th-30th pick now, which is exactly what happened. 

I am personally happy for him, hope he shuts the doubters up & makes a huge contribution. I can just see how it's perceived as a big risk. I have a feeling Aaron Maybin comparisons will be consistently thrown out even if they're not valid.

 

Maybin?  He in almost no way resembles Maybin.

[Solomon Grundy]

7 hours ago, Floydboy12 said:

Not a fan of the pick. Would have preferred to trade back or take Jenkins or Moehrig. Think he’s a step slow for the NFL. 

He had the fastest 10 yard split than any defensive player in the draft. This shows his initial burst

[Magox]

7 hours ago, Nelius said:

Slow and not good but he had 15 1/2 sacks the only year he played? I thought the issue with him was more so lack of experience and taking a year off, not a lack of freakish athletic talent

He’s not slow at all. Ran in the 4.6’s

 

His shuttle time was slow.

[Matt_In_NH]

They got the guy with elite traits and they think obviously think they can develop him.  I am no draft expert but I like the high upside.   Might take a year or two before it really shows.

[DCofNC]

I don’t know how his game will translate, but his highlights are an awful lot like JJ Watt coming out.  That would be a helluva find at 30.  I think it says something they took him instead of JOK, who I thought was their perfect pick and a guy who could run with Kelce, I’m not sure I like it until I see him against NFL competition, but time will tell.

[Solomon Grundy]

15 minutes ago, BigDingus said:

Like I said, I'm not knocking the pick, just pointing out what they said in the article I shared. How many years in college did Nick Bosa play? Were Bosa's times all worse off than scouts expected & did he put on weight in his year off? 

I think these are the things that mattered (I'm not saying they shouldn't or shouldn't matter) to the scouts. Hell, that article even said he's now projecting to be the 29th-30th pick now, which is exactly what happened. 

I am personally happy for him, hope he shuts the doubters up & makes a huge contribution. I can just see how it's perceived as a big risk. I have a feeling Aaron Maybin comparisons will be consistently thrown out even if they're not valid.

He needed to put weight on his frame. He was playing at 240 lbs at 6’7”. I can’t wait until Bruuuce gets his hands on him!!

[Beerball]

One word...

 

Up side

[97bills]

7 hours ago, Mango said:

I’ll refer to the draft gurus here. He was a guy in my peripheral so I don’t know a ton. 
 

Given the fact we’ve spent our first pick 3 years in a row on Oliver, Epeneza, and Rousseau, I’m not totally sure that’s a dominant line when you factor in the cost. 
 

Everybody is young and it’s still very wait and see. I have faith Oliver can be a player so we will see. 

We better see this year on Oliver 

[CommonCents]

If you can’t understand this pick you’re just mad they didn’t get “your” guy. He has some elite traits and fits a position of need. Fine slot for a 30th overall selection. I hope trains hard and brings some fire to that side of the ball. 

[atlbillsfan1975]

5 hours ago, purple haze said:

He had production though.  If they simply wanted traits Oweh was there for the taking.

I agree, the fact it was one year cause some to pause, not me. I trust Beane and now it’s on McDermott and the coaches to get the most out of Rousseau.

[H2o]

3 minutes ago, Beerball said:

One word...

 

Up side

Actually, you split that into two words

[Rochesterfan]

56 minutes ago, Jpsredemption said:

This team is trying to draft prototypes at DE. I think this is a mistake. Speed off the edge wins in today’s NFL. Epenesa and Rosseau are more plodder than speed. Concerning. 

 

With the speed that teams get rid of the ball - speed on the edge is so much less important.  Pressure in the middle is more important than edge in most schemes and the newer thing is moving these guys inside.

 

The Edge guys are QB contain guys that should be keeping him in the pocket and let pressure come from inside.

[Brennan Huff]

4 minutes ago, Beerball said:

One word...

 

Up side

Two words...

 

I woke up too early for this

[MAJBobby]

6 hours ago, Niagara Dude said:

 

 

First off ,  i was right that we blew it drafting FORD over super WR Metcalf,  i was right when i said Murphy was a bum signing and should habe been cut,  i was right when i said Beanne spent too much money on average players in free agency last season.  What did they give us for all that money?

 

NOW on this 1st round pick tonight.......... HE WAS A GREAT PICK and a steal at 30th overall,  watch for him to turn into a DE force.  Maybe take a season or two but he has the gifts that no coach can teach. 

 

Congrats Beane & staff..... well done!

well to address the bold. 
 

part of a 13 win team and one that was 45 minutes from the Super Bowl. 

[dickleyjones]

7 hours ago, BarleyNY said:

A lot of people here seem to be saying this in the last few minutes.  It reminds me of what people said about Lawson and how high he should have gone.  It wasn’t true for him and it’s not true for Rousseau. 

True? How could we ever know?

[MAJBobby]

1 hour ago, Jpsredemption said:

This team is trying to draft prototypes at DE. I think this is a mistake. Speed off the edge wins in today’s NFL. Epenesa and Rosseau are more plodder than speed. Concerning. 

Rosseau had a faster 10 yard split that The Michigan kid even in a disappointing workout. #JustSaying. 

[Don Otreply]

Strikes me as Beane doing what he said he was gonna  do. Good pick, 

[Hebert19]

8 minutes ago, Rochesterfan said:

 

With the speed that teams get rid of the ball - speed on the edge is so much less important.  Pressure in the middle is more important than edge in most schemes and the newer thing is moving these guys inside.

 

The Edge guys are QB contain guys that should be keeping him in the pocket and let pressure come from inside.

Think beating mahomes.   This is a move tk help that.   Mahomes beat us twice by doing the opposite.  He held the ball and ran around and we couldn't get to him and coverage broke down.   This is a guy who can chase him.  

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

Daniel Jeremiah's top 150 prospects in the 2021 NFL Draft class

 

If the Bills board was anything like DJs the highest remaining players were Moering, JOK and #18 Greg Rousseau all in the mid teens. Looks to be a solid Bills type pick with great upside at a big need area.

Edited April 30, 2021 by D. L. Hot-Flamethrower

[Beerball]

13 minutes ago, Brennan Huff said:

Two words...

 

I woke up too early for this

huh?

[Canadian Bills Fan]

7 hours ago, Aaronthebaron said:

Makes sense. We were great at pressuring the QB, not so great at getting the sack. This guy finishes. He’s huge, long arms. Blink and it’s Bruce. 

 

 

[North Buffalo]

I'm no draft expert and figuring out a guy who opted out had to be a difficult task... but Beane and McD interviewed the guy and checked out his background... if he is the process guy they think with his height and arm length gotta billieve he is just the guy for the Bills to take the next step.

[colin]

5 hours ago, junior12thman92 said:

Does anyone know where to find snap percentages for our DL during the 2018/19/20 seasons? I ask because I know McD prefers to have his defensive linemen cycle a lot, which I find interesting. 

 

Beane seems to like taking DL early (looking at Carolina's record while he was there and now here in Buffalo). With premium picks being used up on players that rotate in/out all the time, I would hope/expect for more sacks due to them being "fresh" during games.

 

That doesn't seem to be the case over the last few of seasons, so hopefully it starts coming together this year with Star back in the fold. Otherwise this is a lot of draft capital (1st, 1st, 2nd, 3rd) and money (3rd most in the league) tied up in a group that can be pretty underwhelming at times.

 

 

 

we've dumped money and draft picks at the line, results were good for 2 years, meh to bad for one year.

 

i remember the philly and carolina ds which mccoach ran.  he's all about waves of d linemen being fresh and playing as a team concept, but clearly values disruptive star players.  he likes athletic LBs who can do it all and clean up underneath.  what's interesting is altho that Boston college LB he drafted in carolina is celebrated the most (and he deserves it), when crazy man greg kraken hardy was lost to them, their d fell off much harder than what the LB was out.

 

i b word and moan about our scheme on d perhaps a bit too much, but it really is a 1/11 type of thing, he dials up everything from the ball out, and his secondary is much more about sound coverage and taking away big plays than dice rolling and bump and run type aggression, so i think he's a guy who will always be throwing picks and money at the dline, because with the rotation we play with if any of the young guys show improve it will be on tape and they will gain burn.

 

not sure if this kid is the best guy at our pick (no idea really, he could be) but mccoach has had enough success that i'd ride with our pick over anyone else today on the back of that.

[Brennan Huff]

4 minutes ago, Beerball said:

huh?

I agree

[Canadian Bills Fan]

7 hours ago, TheBeaneBandit said:

No, but he can get a lot bigger.

 

 

Agreed. This is where it pays off to have a good strength and conditioning coach

[MAJBobby]

Play 3. He is in coverage. Tell me some more about the poor athletic profile. 
 

https://youtu.be/K7tLBK7akVY

[LyndonvilleBill]

Maybe we can move him to TE. He did play as a wr...🤔... I'm kidding,  I AM JUST KIDDING!!!😁. Too early? LOL.

 

I actually really like this pick. I honestly thought he'd be gone well before 30 and go to the Dolphins and we'd make a really bad choice and take Phillips if he was still there.

[stevewin]

 

6 hours ago, IronMaidenBills said:

Some have the nickname the professor. I’m going to call Greg the philosopher. 

 

 

Edited April 30, 2021 by stevewin

[TheJauronClap]

I like the pick he is raw with a ton of upside if we hit we got a big steal. If we miss I think at worst he is a Shaq Lawson type 

[JohnBonhamRocks]

7 minutes ago, LyndonvilleBill said:

Maybe we can move him to TE. He did play as a wr...🤔... I'm kidding,  I AM JUST KIDDING!!!😁. Too early? LOL.

 

I actually really like this pick. I honestly thought he'd be gone well before 30 and go to the Dolphins and we'd make a really bad choice and take Phillips if he was still there.

 

Why move him to TE when we could just go after Tebow? 🤪

Didn't know much about him pre-draft, but the more I learn the more I like. Just watched him interviewed for the first time and he seems like a genuinely good dude. Buffalo connection doesn't hurt either.

 

[BUFFALOTONE]

8 hours ago, BillsMafi$ said:

Not good. Slow off ball, a lot off sacks were coverage sacks 

Stop listening to Mel, no they were not and regardless he gets to the QB. Great pick and this coming from an FSU fan...

[colin]

after looking at some more highlights and breakdowns of this kid, i get a kinda sorta jared allen feeling.  guy had slipperyness, but not great athletic numbers, and he was as long as a tree.  once he learned to use his hands and feet together to disrupt the OL, he was an absolute beast at getting sacks.  he doesn't have the "explosive" numbers of oweh and others, but he runs super quick out the gate, so if he can use his hand placement and jab steps to get the OL off balance, he still has plenty of speed to take the shorter route and the long arms to wrap up the qb.  i kinda like it!

[YoloinOhio]

13 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

Play 3. He is in coverage. Tell me some more about the poor athletic profile. 
 

https://youtu.be/K7tLBK7akVY

I think the poor pro day was mostly around the vertical and bench and 3 cone but someone said he slipped in the 3 cone and no way is he going to bench a lot with those crazy long arms. His speed was very impressive for his size.

[racketmaster]

Beane and Co. got a steal in drafting a 21 year old edge rusher like GR. First year playing DE as a 19 year old and he records 15.5 sacks. By all accounts, not only is he a freakish talent but has excellent character and intangibles. Bills really needed a young talent at this position and without drafting in the top 15 it is very difficult to find such players. Beane took advantage of the opt out as GR was a consensus top 10 pick going into last season before opting out. So the Bills get a top 10 talent at a premium position. Guys with his height, length, speed, ability to bend, play inside and out, with work ethic and character are steals at pick 30. Sure there is some risk but he is a superior talent to the other edge rushers we had to choose from and I think he is well worth the risk from only being a 1 year player. 

[Beerball]

2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

I think the poor pro day was mostly around the vertical and bench and 3 cone but someone said he slipped in the 3 cone and no way is he going to bench a lot with those crazy long arms. His speed was very impressive for his size.

As long as the offense isn't allowed to bring a broom stick (he can't jump) onto the field to trip him up I think he'll be ok.

[mjt328]

Here is the thing.  Getting a top pass rusher was always going to be a huge challenge in this draft (many of us were saying it months ago).

 

After Kwity Paye, there were guys with big question marks.  Medical concerns.  Opt-outs.  Long-term projects.

There is also a significant lack of depth at edge rusher.  Once the next 2-3 guys are taken (probably very quickly tonight), there is an astronomical drop in talent at the edge rusher position.  Our choices at #61 would have been pretty pathetic.  

 

Our only real options at defensive end were either to trade-up for Paye (probably would have cost a fortune), taking a chance with a risky prospect (which is what we did), or go with another position like cornerback and completely miss on upgrading the pass rush.  Azeez Ojulari has injury concerns.  Jayson Oweh was also a massive project.  I'm not crazy thrilled with this pick, but you really can't blame Beane for going this route.  It makes plenty of sense.

 

In terms of Rousseau himself, he's very similar to Josh Allen and Tremaine Edmunds.  Very raw.  Very big risk for busting.  Big upside if they can develop him correctly.  Over the last few weeks I've seen him ranked as high as mid-1st round, and as low as end of 2nd (though I really doubt he would have fallen that far).  It's pretty clear that Beane is an aggressive GM and likes going for the players with big ceilings (at least early in the draft), rather than safer picks without much room to grow.

 

As a prospect, Rousseau isn't really the typical athletic freak.  He didn't test fast.  He didn't test really strong.  You will get different opinions about how impressive he looked on tape.  Ultimately, his value comes with his size, length and physical frame.  My guess is that Bills coaches have a plan to pack some weight/muscle (basically the opposite of what they did with AJ Epenesa last year), and work on improving his technique.  With 1-2 years in an NFL weight room, and learning how to use those long arms to his advantage, he could end up being very tough to block.  We will see.

 

[LyndonvilleBill]

5 minutes ago, JohnBonhamRocks said:

 

Why move him to TE when we could just go after Tebow? 🤪

Didn't know much about him pre-draft, but the more I learn the more I like. Just watched him interviewed for the first time and he seems like a genuinely good dude. Buffalo connection doesn't hurt either.

 

Tebow... LMAO... Good One...🤣

 

I only watched a little of Rousseau before the draft. Will spend more time checking him out now he's a Bill. What I've seen so far, your right, seems like a real good person and will probably fit well in Buffalo. 

[JMF2006]

A few mocks had this guy 

 

I trust the Beaner and he must know this is the best fit.

 

Welcome to Buffalo Mr Rousseau

Edited April 30, 2021 by JMF2006
We picked a different edge in the mock

[Luka]

1 minute ago, LyndonvilleBill said:

Tebow... LMAO... Good One...🤣

 

I only watched a little of Rousseau before the draft. Will spend more time checking him out now he's a Bill. What I've seen so far, your right, seems like a real good person and will probably fit well in Buffalo. 

You only watched a little of him because he only played one year.

It's an obvious need with how bad the defense was at times last year. Picking this low in the draft, you can gamble.

[HOUSE]

6 minutes ago, mjt328 said:

Here is the thing.  Getting a top pass rusher was always going to be a huge challenge in this draft (many of us were saying it months ago).

 

After Kwity Paye, there were guys with big question marks.  Medical concerns.  Opt-outs.  Long-term projects.

There is also a significant lack of depth at edge rusher.  Once the next 2-3 guys are taken (probably very quickly tonight), there is an astronomical drop in talent at the edge rusher position.  Our choices at #61 would have been pretty pathetic.  

 

Our only real options at defensive end were either to trade-up for Paye (probably would have cost a fortune), taking a chance with a risky prospect (which is what we did), or go with another position like cornerback and completely miss on upgrading the pass rush.  Azeez Ojulari has injury concerns.  Jayson Oweh was also a massive project.  I'm not crazy thrilled with this pick, but you really can't blame Beane for going this route.  It makes plenty of sense.

 

In terms of Rousseau himself, he's very similar to Josh Allen and Tremaine Edmunds.  Very raw.  Very big risk for busting.  Big upside if they can develop him correctly.  Over the last few weeks I've seen him ranked as high as mid-1st round, and as low as end of 2nd (though I really doubt he would have fallen that far).  It's pretty clear that Beane is an aggressive GM and likes going for the players with big ceilings (at least early in the draft), rather than safer picks without much room to grow.

 

As a prospect, Rousseau isn't really the typical athletic freak.  He didn't test fast.  He didn't test really strong.  You will get different opinions about how impressive he looked on tape.  Ultimately, his value comes with his size, length and physical frame.  My guess is that Bills coaches have a plan to pack some weight/muscle (basically the opposite of what they did with AJ Epenesa last year), and work on improving his technique.  With 1-2 years in an NFL weight room, and learning how to use those long arms to his advantage, he could end up being very tough to block.  We will see.

 

 

 

Very big risk for busting ??