FireChans Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 2 minutes ago, HappyDays said: Brady will be a top 5 QB until he is physically incapable of throwing the ball. His last year with the Patriots he was surrounded with awful talent. I'll admit I thought he was done but I underrated how poor that offense was outside of Brady. Stafford has had good talent around him and has never come close to winning a Super Bowl. If he was at that level I believe we would have seen it by now. Watson has played for a dumpster fire franchise and everyone still agrees he is a top 5 QB. The Saints had a few down years where everyone still agreed Brees was elite. You can still make judgments about a player irrespective of the team around him. I don’t care about judging the player. All that matters is that a playoff team just got better. Period. They aren’t resting on their laurels or blowing it up. Whatever preconceived notions you have about them being good enough to beat Kansas City is irrelevant. The Eagles won the Super Bowl with a back up QB who had one monster game. It happens. You have a playoff team and you take risks to get better. Better get used to it, because we are gonna have to do the same thing. We aren’t gonna hold pat and draft rotational safety depth and try to wait out the Chiefs. We are going to try to win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 29 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: I’m basing it on his *extreme* arm talent (Mahomes-esque in his ability to throw from different levels; also a very good baseball player), mobility in the pocket, generally good accuracy, willingness to play through injury, and ability to make plays when things break down. He has all the talent in the world but something is missing there. To be an elite QB you have to be able to make a big play in crunch time. It's a quality that can't be quantified but it matters. Rivers is the prime example of a QB that can do everything right and still fail to win big games because he is bad when the chips are down. QBs like Allen and Watson and Mahomes and Brady play better in those situations. They make big plays in big moments. That's what I mean when I say Stafford isn't good enough to elevate the team around him. I know wins are not exclusively a QB stat but over a 10+ year career you still expect a QB capable of playing at an elite level to accomplish more than Stafford has. Throw Matt Ryan in that bucket too. It's an argument that can't be resolved because there's no number to prove what I'm talking about. Some QBs can put up great stats and still fall short in games that matter over and over again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCockSportif Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 Good luck to the Rams. This seems like a 2002 Billsy move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 24 minutes ago, Logic said: Please explain how he doesn’t fit McVay’s offense. What we have seen from the offense is he likes PA roll out and mobility with quick decisions. The offense at its best had a high throughput RB and Goff was hitting quick throws to RB/TEs outside and WRs on crossing routes. Lots of misdirection and movement. Stafford with his various injuries is no longer that mobile QB or a guy that can sprint out for wide handoffs. He is more of a drop back - pocket passer that hits WRs outside the numbers and TEs on the seams. The Rams offense maintained its strength attacking the edge and then bringing WRs across the field in the opposite direction of the motion into cleared out areas. I think Stafford forces it back to a more conventional offense with drop backs and straight hand offs attacking the middle of the field. Basically to me - Stafford brings more experience and a better arm, but you lose McVays creativity to scheme people open with motion and roll-outs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 2 minutes ago, HappyDays said: He has all the talent in the world but something is missing there. To be an elite QB you have to be able to make a big play in crunch time. It's a quality that can't be quantified but it matters. Rivers is the prime example of a QB that can do everything right and still fail to win big games because he is bad when the chips are down. QBs like Allen and Watson and Mahomes and Brady play better in those situations. They make big plays in big moments. That's what I mean when I say Stafford isn't good enough to elevate the team around him. I know wins are not exclusively a QB stat but over a 10+ year career you still expect a QB capable of playing at an elite level to accomplish more than Stafford has. Throw Matt Ryan in that bucket too. It's an argument that can't be resolved because there's no number to prove what I'm talking about. Some QBs can put up great stats and still fall short in games that matter over and over again. I'll throw this out there, too: Stafford has never been in a situation where he's expected to win, and win big. He's now in a major media market, albeit on a team with no real fan base, and the expectations are Super Bowl or bust. It's not clear how he'll handle it, especially if things don't go well right away... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 I think it won't help either franchise take the next step. But who cares? They're not my team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 18 minutes ago, FireChans said: You have a playoff team and you take risks to get better. Better get used to it, because we are gonna have to do the same thing. We aren’t gonna hold pat and draft rotational safety depth and try to wait out the Chiefs. We are going to try to win. We can afford those risks because we have a QB capable of playing at a top 5 level. At this point it's about building the team around him and maximizing our chances before he has a massive cap hit. The Rams are in the opposite position. They have a Super Bowl caliber roster without a QB capable of taking advantage. I don't believe Stafford is that QB. And if I'm right they'll have wasted more assets that they could have maybe used to trade up for a young QB capable of becoming elite. And 3 years from now the Rams will still be in purgatory and they won't have a franchise QB and they won't have any young blue chip players to develop. By the way I would love for Stafford to prove me wrong. I have nothing against him. If he can finally elevate his play to an elite level this will be a great trade for the Rams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan2313 Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 15 hours ago, TBBills said: Only if the Rams end up sucking. Why, you can find talent later in the draft and in the 3rd. Let's not forget, the Lions new GM was the Rams director of college scouting... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 14 hours ago, Virgil said: What would happen cap wise if the Lions turned around and traded Goff? 1 hour ago, No_Matter_What said: Didn't have time to go throught the thread, so sorry if this was discussed... Anybody has a clue if it is realistic for Lions to trade Goff now? Does it create any dead cap for them? I swear I educate myself on these matters this offseason. Actually a very good point. IF Detroit can find someone who thinks Goff is worth an average of $26M per year they could make the trade with no Dead Money. Goff's contract if cut after next year is only $15M. They just may find someone to trade with. He wouldn't need to bring a lot in draft capital if Detroit is in full tank and just wants to get rid of Goff's salary. Per Spotrac. Click the red X next to Goff's 2021 Salary year. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/detroit-lions/jared-goff-18949/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in Chicago Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 So Goff and Wentz both feel out of favor with the team that drafted them high. Unprecedented. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 41 minutes ago, Rochesterfan said: What we have seen from the offense is he likes PA roll out and mobility with quick decisions. The offense at its best had a high throughput RB and Goff was hitting quick throws to RB/TEs outside and WRs on crossing routes. Lots of misdirection and movement. Stafford with his various injuries is no longer that mobile QB or a guy that can sprint out for wide handoffs. He is more of a drop back - pocket passer that hits WRs outside the numbers and TEs on the seams. The Rams offense maintained its strength attacking the edge and then bringing WRs across the field in the opposite direction of the motion into cleared out areas. I think Stafford forces it back to a more conventional offense with drop backs and straight hand offs attacking the middle of the field. Basically to me - Stafford brings more experience and a better arm, but you lose McVays creativity to scheme people open with motion and roll-outs. Thanks. I appreciate your view and your taking the time to respond. Im not so sure that Stafford can’t do the things Goff did/does with regard to rollouts and the like. He was injured THIS year, sure, but we don’t know his prognosis for recovery. Besides, I never really viewed Goff as being all that mobile anyway. If anything, I’d say their mobility is a push, but Stafford’s greatly superior arm strength will INCREASE the amount and variety of plays that McVay can dial up. I know this: I’m buying big fantasy stock in Robert Woods and Cooper Kupp . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 40 minutes ago, HappyDays said: We can afford those risks because we have a QB capable of playing at a top 5 level. At this point it's about building the team around him and maximizing our chances before he has a massive cap hit. The Rams are in the opposite position. They have a Super Bowl caliber roster without a QB capable of taking advantage. I don't believe Stafford is that QB. And if I'm right they'll have wasted more assets that they could have maybe used to trade up for a young QB capable of becoming elite. And 3 years from now the Rams will still be in purgatory and they won't have a franchise QB and they won't have any young blue chip players to develop. By the way I would love for Stafford to prove me wrong. I have nothing against him. If he can finally elevate his play to an elite level this will be a great trade for the Rams. This is kind of where I am. I hear ya. All you People who are telling me that Matt Stafford >> Jared Goff. I would love for Stafford to get a shot on a good team, out of fairness. I don't see it, especially at 33 and after 12 years of taking ungodly #s of sacks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 4 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: This is kind of where I am. I hear ya. All you People who are telling me that Matt Stafford >> Jared Goff. I would love for Stafford to get a shot on a good team, out of fairness. I don't see it, especially at 33 and after 12 years of taking ungodly #s of sacks. My digging tells me Stafford has made $203.8 million over his career. I wonder how much of that he would have given up to be on a decent team with a real chance to win without getting beaten like a piñata? It’s a shame that we’ll never know what he might have been had he landed in a better spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 1 hour ago, Groin said: Good luck to the Rams. This seems like a 2002 Billsy move. Agreed. It usually doesn’t end well for teams that get into this “OMG our best players are moving out of their prime years and the salary cap hammer is awaiting, we have to go for it right now with the best player available” mode. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 26 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: Actually a very good point. IF Detroit can find someone who thinks Goff is worth an average of $26M per year they could make the trade with no Dead Money. Goff's contract if cut after next year is only $15M. They just may find someone to trade with. He wouldn't need to bring a lot in draft capital if Detroit is in full tank and just wants to get rid of Goff's salary. Per Spotrac. Click the red X next to Goff's 2021 Salary year. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/detroit-lions/jared-goff-18949/ Unless someone discovers that Goff has a freakish ability to pick Powerball numbers with 90% accuracy, then no one on Earth will think he is worth 26 million. Goff and a second for a backup punter and a fifth.....maybe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balln Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 31 minutes ago, Fan in Chicago said: So Goff and Wentz both feel out of favor with the team that drafted them high. Unprecedented. mariota and jameis 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Clyde Smith said: Lions will probably fumble their draft picks with duds and busts anyway lol. Their new GM Brad Holmes came from the Rams so ... he has no idea what to do with draft picks but seriously, they also hired John Dorsey and he’s a very good talent evaluator. Just a mess as GM, but he doesn’t have that title. overall, I’m not sure you can lay the mistakes of the past at this entirely new regime. Even Chris spielman works for them now in a Personnel role. Edited January 31, 2021 by YoloinOhio 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 7 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: Agreed. It usually doesn’t end well for teams that get into this “OMG our best players are moving out of their prime years and the salary cap hammer is awaiting, we have to go for it right now with the best player available” mode. The 2001 Bills were terrible. The 2020 Rams were arguably a more physically gifted and experienced QB away from being 14-2. There is NO comparison. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Augie said: My digging tells me Stafford has made $203.8 million over his career. I wonder how much of that he would have given up to be on a decent team with a real chance to win without getting beaten like a piñata? It’s a shame that we’ll never know what he might have been had he landed in a better spot. We'll know now. Elite offensive line, solid WR and TE options, a great system, young dynamic running backs, and a really good defense. The fact that Goff had a 20 to 13 TD to INT ratio is pathetic given what he had surrounding him. He's just too indecisive, limited vertically, and also fumble prone. The Rams thought so little of him they decided to start a backup in a playoff game ahead of him (if he's good enough to be a backup with a thumb injury he's good enough to start). He was holding them back and Stafford will show that this year. Edited January 31, 2021 by Doc Brown 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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frostbitmic Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 17 hours ago, Rc2catch said: If my name is Kenny Golloday I am ruining full speed out of Detroit right now (hopefully he doesn’t injure himself doing it) Golloday is one of my favorite players though in all seriousness. Goff hasn't hurt Cooper Kupp or Bob Woods careers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WotAGuy Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 1 hour ago, Rochesterfan said: What we have seen from the offense is he likes PA roll out and mobility with quick decisions. The offense at its best had a high throughput RB and Goff was hitting quick throws to RB/TEs outside and WRs on crossing routes. Lots of misdirection and movement. Stafford with his various injuries is no longer that mobile QB or a guy that can sprint out for wide handoffs. He is more of a drop back - pocket passer that hits WRs outside the numbers and TEs on the seams. The Rams offense maintained its strength attacking the edge and then bringing WRs across the field in the opposite direction of the motion into cleared out areas. I think Stafford forces it back to a more conventional offense with drop backs and straight hand offs attacking the middle of the field. Basically to me - Stafford brings more experience and a better arm, but you lose McVays creativity to scheme people open with motion and roll-outs. There’s more than one way to skin a cat. The Bills’ offense changed dramatically once Allen became capable of different skills. McVay is a bright guy and I don’t see why he’s not capable of designing an offense that plays to Stafford’s strengths. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheektowaga Chad Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 20 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: What is a 2002 Billsy move? Drew Bledsoe im guessing 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 5 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: You may be right about the cap. But while I could certainly be wrong, I think Stafford is no Drew Brees. On the one hand, I have to admire the Rams for taking that "Good is the Enemy of Great" "Can't change the Results by keeping things the same" attitude. On the other hand, like I said (and I could be wrong) I see Stafford as being a flawed QB, just different flaws than Goff. Brees is certainly the greater QB historically..........but it's my contention that the reason why the Saints failed in their most recent few years is because the older, weaker armed Brees was physically spent when they reached the playoffs. This year......with the broken ribs.......was just an exclamation point on that point. Stafford is a younger, much stronger armed QB. I also really like and trust McVay. He got a ton out of Goff.......Stafford is the far superior talent. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCockSportif Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 (edited) 33 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: What is a 2002 Billsy move? Bledsoe, oh, and the picks given up could be much, much worse. Edited January 31, 2021 by Groin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djp14150 Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 The amount given up surprises me. Goff was not that bad. He wasn’t the reason. I felt if Stafford was traded Goff woukd come back and Thrn some things added. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 26 minutes ago, frostbitmic said: Goff hasn't hurt Cooper Kupp or Bob Woods careers. Goff hasn’t hurt their careers cause they’re huge run after catch receivers. Golloday is a 50 yard go up and get it deep threat. Goff isn’t exactly known for his deep pass game. Jones, Hockenson and Swift are gonna love Goff. I just don’t see Golloday having success with him. Won’t matter cause they’re probably franchise tagging him and he won’t get a choice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah John Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 I think this trade is a lose-lose for both teams. The Rams gave up so much that they won't be able to maintain the quality of their roster with top-notch rookies to replace veterans who are reaching the end of their rookie contracts. The Lions lose a top-notch QB and replace him with a guy who can pass well under good conditions but who doesn't handle pressure or poor weather conditions. The Lions do get high picks in return but their draft success record is terrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 Sign Mango and put him at Center. Speed at rb. I like the idea of Hines if he gets away from Indy. I think a speed guy and Moss at back. Singletary dresses or doesnt. Overall, Buffalo doesnt need to run more. Just more effective when they do. I think Buffalo brings in a guy to be the lead guy. Im curious where they go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 16 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: Brees is certainly the greater QB historically..........but it's my contention that the reason why the Saints failed in their most recent few years is because the older, weaker armed Brees was physically spent when they reached the playoffs. This year......with the broken ribs.......was just an exclamation point on that point. Stafford is a younger, much stronger armed QB. I also really like and trust McVay. He got a ton out of Goff.......Stafford is the far superior talent. Can't disagree about the older, weaker armed Brees no longer being able to...well, to be Brees in the playoffs. This year, Brees was like the Ghost of Peyton Manning his last season. I don't see Stafford as the "far superior talent" to Goff, myself. I see him as a stronger armed QB who is now in his 30s and has taken an unholy beating for years. I see him as having different strengths and weaknesses. I guess we'll see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 Guess Goff wont be battling it out for the rams this summer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 1 hour ago, HappyDays said: We can afford those risks because we have a QB capable of playing at a top 5 level. At this point it's about building the team around him and maximizing our chances before he has a massive cap hit. The Rams are in the opposite position. They have a Super Bowl caliber roster without a QB capable of taking advantage. I don't believe Stafford is that QB. And if I'm right they'll have wasted more assets that they could have maybe used to trade up for a young QB capable of becoming elite. And 3 years from now the Rams will still be in purgatory and they won't have a franchise QB and they won't have any young blue chip players to develop. By the way I would love for Stafford to prove me wrong. I have nothing against him. If he can finally elevate his play to an elite level this will be a great trade for the Rams. I mean, Josh was capable of doing that one year. That has no guarantee. Again, with the purgatory?? Insanity. They are trying to win a championship and they have came close. That’s not purgatory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 (edited) 17 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said: Tell me about it. I really thought he would slide right in behind Rivers. Now everyone waits to see where Watson goes. Houston GM and coach say they're not trading him. Why should they? He led the league in passing this year. He'll just have to cool it and play football like he signed a contract to do. If I was Houston I wouldn't trade him. Just now, reddogblitz said: Houston GM and coach say they've not trading him. Why should they? He led the league in passing this year. He'll just have to cool it and play football like he signed a contract to do. If I was Houston I wouldn't trade him. I apologize for the double quote. Since they put the Quote button where the Edit button used to be I'm still not used to it. Also there is no cancel. Hopefully I'll remember next time. Edited January 31, 2021 by reddogblitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 57 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: Agreed. It usually doesn’t end well for teams that get into this “OMG our best players are moving out of their prime years and the salary cap hammer is awaiting, we have to go for it right now with the best player available” mode. Do we watch the same NFL? You have to go all-in if you want to compete. No team sits around and just rests on their laurels and falls into the Super Bowl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 23 minutes ago, WotAGuy said: There’s more than one way to skin a cat. The Bills’ offense changed dramatically once Allen became capable of different skills. McVay is a bright guy and I don’t see why he’s not capable of designing an offense that plays to Stafford’s strengths. McVay is bright, but they have spent years building the offense to fit the strength of Goff. The current WR set with Kupp and Woods are not necessarily fits for the strength Stafford. The offense/line/WRs/TEs all have years in that system. I expect they are going try to fit Stafford in as much as possible into the current system. It might work - I don’t expect they will be worse, but I don’t think they are significantly better with Stafford and based upon the salaries- it doesn’t look like a big savings for the Rams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 6 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Can't disagree about the older, weaker armed Brees no longer being able to...well, to be Brees in the playoffs. This year, Brees was like the Ghost of Peyton Manning his last season. I don't see Stafford as the "far superior talent" to Goff, myself. I see him as a stronger armed QB who is now in his 30s and has taken an unholy beating for years. I see him as having different strengths and weaknesses. I guess we'll see. My hope is Brees ends back up in Indiana with the Colts. That team is pretty loaded and has a lot of cap space. Glad they didn't get a long term solution in Stafford. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 2 hours ago, JMF2006 said: I did not say they they would win or are better with Goff. He might even be on the move again....the Leos could just flip him to another NFC team for more pics. I heard the Bears were interested in Stafford....that would never happen unless they gave their next 4 1sts Who is going to give up picks to take on that contract?? The Lions would literally have to give them picks to make that trade. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 16 minutes ago, Utah John said: I think this trade is a lose-lose for both teams. The Rams gave up so much that they won't be able to maintain the quality of their roster with top-notch rookies to replace veterans who are reaching the end of their rookie contracts. The Lions lose a top-notch QB and replace him with a guy who can pass well under good conditions but who doesn't handle pressure or poor weather conditions. The Lions do get high picks in return but their draft success record is terrible. It makes perfect sense based on where the Lions are right now. Worst case scenario: they’re stuck with Goff for 2 more seasons - 2 seasons in which they don’t have a realistic chance of competing. Then comes 2023 - 2024, they can move on from Goff, they’ve go the draft capital to do a whole lot of interesting things, Aaron Rodgers (and Kirk Cousins to the extent that even matters) are gone, and unless they do something totally idiotic (not impossible) they are poised for a run. You can say they’ll screw up the draft, etc. And yes, but lots of people said the same things about the Bills. Until they didn’t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 9 minutes ago, FireChans said: Do we watch the same NFL? You have to go all-in if you want to compete. No team sits around and just rests on their laurels and falls into the Super Bowl. I watch the NFL in which Doug Marrone went all in (see Darius, Marcel) when he thought the Jags were right there. And the one in which the Vikings went all in on Kirk Cousins for the same reasons. This isn’t Tom Brady or Peyton Manning you’re picking up. It’s a 33 year old who’s never won a playoff game (and yes, he did play for some good teams), who’s taken a beating, and who really isn’t a huge upgrade. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: I watch the NFL in which Doug Marrone went all in (see Darius, Marcel) when he thought the Jags were right there. And the one in which the Vikings went all in on Kirk Cousins for the same reasons. This isn’t Tom Brady or Peyton Manning you’re picking up. It’s a 33 year old who’s never won a playoff game (and yes, he did play for some good teams), who’s taken a beating, and who really isn’t a huge upgrade. Yes the Jags and Vikings historically have had so much sustained success that going all-in for trips to the conference championship was basically unnecessary. They have been there like every year before they doubled down. They went in just like the Eagles went in. They won the Super Bowl. Edited January 31, 2021 by FireChans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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