Zack Moss- injury updates- McDermott confirms Out

[GreggTX]

1. Bad break for Moss, but we don't really lose much other than depth.

2. Despite what others say about Yeldon, every time they have given him a chance to dress and play, he has delivered. I have no problem with dressing him at all.

[Sharky7337]

If your going to have an injury running back is a place where it may not be impactful

[Hapless Bills Fan]

https://twitter.com/BangedUpBills/status/1348005458112614402?s=20

 

Worry is high ankle sprain

[Solomon Grundy]

26 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

Singletary and Moss look like #2 guys. 

I wanted Jonathan Taylor soooo bad in last year’s draft

[Ethan in Cleveland]

37 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:

I wanted Jonathan Taylor soooo bad in last year’s draft

I wanted Dobbins.  They could have drafted him in the second and still landed an edge rusher in the third round.  

[NewEra]

1 hour ago, Bangarang said:

Singletary and Moss look like #2 guys. 

They are #2 guys.  Similar to Damian Williams last year.  Sony Michel/James White the year before.  Lagarette Blount the year before.  

 

Are you suggesting that we upgrade?  If so, with which resource?  1st or 2nd rd pick?  Or a 8+ mill dollar salary? 

Edited January 10, 2021 by NewEra

[Bangarang]

5 minutes ago, NewEra said:

They are #2 guys.  Similar to Damian Williams last year.  Sony Michel/James White the year before.  Jordan Howard the year before.  

 

Are you suggesting that we upgrade?  If so, with which resource?  1st or 2nd rd pick?  Or a 8+ mill dollar salary? 

I’m suggesting that we shouldn’t be content with Singletary or Moss as lead backs because they don’t look like one.

 

I wouldn’t want to pay a RB or draft one high. If there is one BB and McD like in the middle rounds then go for it. We could use some speed there. 
 

I wouldn’t hate to see competition for the starting spot at training camp next year.

 

 

Edited January 10, 2021 by Bangarang

[Ethan in Cleveland]

It will probably take a miracle to get him back for the SB.  More likely he goes straight to IR

[Shortchaz]

Just now, Bangarang said:

I’m suggesting that we shouldn’t be content with Singletary or Moss as lead backs because they don’t look like one.

 

I wouldn’t want to pay a RB or draft one high. If there is one BB and McD like in the middle rounds then go for it. We could use some speed there. 

 

 

Are you saying we have a need, a need for speed?

[NewEra]

3 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

I’m suggesting that we shouldn’t be content with Singletary or Moss as lead backs because they don’t look like one.

 

I wouldn’t want to pay a RB or draft one high. If there is one BB and McD like in the middle rounds then go for it. We could use some speed there. 
 

I wouldn’t hate to see competition for the starting spot at training camp next year.

 

 

Agreed.  Get rid of Yeldon and replace him with some speed.  4th rd or lower or a speedy vet at 1-3 mill a year

Edited January 10, 2021 by NewEra

[JohnNord]

18 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said:

It will probably take a miracle to get him back for the SB.  More likely he goes straight to IR

The fact they carted him off the field is not a good sign at all

[DJB]

26 minutes ago, Shortchaz said:

Are you saying we have a need, a need for speed?

 

[ROCBillsBeliever]

5 hours ago, JimBob2232 said:

We need a back this off-season.  We don’t have a guy who is going to break a 50 yard run.  Moss is decent as a short yardage/time eating kind of back.  Singletary is a replacement level guy.  I hate spending a first rounder on a back - so maybe we need to look in round 2/3 again.  But we need someone with speed to break a few of these runs and ourrun a defense once in a while. 

 

Does everyone always forget about Christian Wade? I mean, yeah... nobody other than the Bills know how ready he is (or will be, by next year), but the one thing he does possess that the rest of our stable of RBs don't is electric, breakaway speed. I'm not saying he's the answer, but using 2/3 round pick on an RB for a third year in a row is just not really the best use of your draft capital (IMHO). 

[Meatloaf63]

3 hours ago, motorj said:

Bills have been scoring 30-50 points regularly this season , I think upgrading rb's is the least of their worries

Dumb thought an effective running game would improve an already potent passing attack. Would also keep Allen protected better if they respected the run ...

[Straight Hucklebuck]

5 hours ago, JimBob2232 said:

We need a back this off-season.  We don’t have a guy who is going to break a 50 yard run.  Moss is decent as a short yardage/time eating kind of back.  Singletary is a replacement level guy.  I hate spending a first rounder on a back - so maybe we need to look in round 2/3 again.  But we need someone with speed to break a few of these runs and ourrun a defense once in a while. 

If Travis Etienne didn’t look like he was on the doughnut diet in the Sugar Bowl I’d say maybe he was an option.

 

But I completely agree, a dynamic back is needed in this offense. 

1 hour ago, Ethan in Portland said:

I wanted Dobbins.  They could have drafted him in the second and still landed an edge rusher in the third round.  

Dobbins on this offense ... man

[Augie]

1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

https://twitter.com/BangedUpBills/status/1348005458112614402?s=20

 

Worry is high ankle sprain

 

Well, that should be OK..................... a week or two after the Super Bowl is played.

 

Bad things happen, I like our chances. 

[ganesh]

6 hours ago, Big Turk said:

It looked pretty bad, I am not expecting him back for the rest of the year. His pass pro will be missed more than his running IMHO...he was outstanding as a blocker.

 

Singletary has been too but Moss is a stonewaller versus Singletary more of a "good enough" blocker.

Singletary made a key block on the Diggs TD throw to allow Allen to stay in the pocket,  Outstanding block

[NewEra]

1 hour ago, Bangarang said:

I’m suggesting that we shouldn’t be content with Singletary or Moss as lead backs because they don’t look like one.

 

I wouldn’t want to pay a RB or draft one high. If there is one BB and McD like in the middle rounds then go for it. We could use some speed there. 
 

I wouldn’t hate to see competition for the starting spot at training camp next year.

 

 

I wonder what kind of salary fournette is going to command.  I dunno if he’s a process guy, but he’d be a major upgrade 

[Dukestreetking]

5 hours ago, Jerry Jabber said:

Hopefully Yeldon or Williams perform well in Moss’ place if Moss has to miss time.

Ok. I'll go ahead and second that motion.

[BobbyC81]

9 hours ago, Meatloaf63 said:

Just to get to the hole before it closes would be nice. But that being said, our run blocking sucks... 

 

The problem some (most?) of the time is that they are running from a standing start in shotgun formation.  Sure Thurman did it well but he’s a HOF.  IT’s easier to hit the hole if a RB is already moving forward when he gets the handoff.  

[Chandler#81]

4 minutes ago, ColeB said:

 

The problem some (most?) of the time is that they are running from a standing start in shotgun formation.  Sure Thurman did it well but he’s a HOF.  IT’s easier to hit the hole if a RB is already moving forward when he gets the handoff.  

Certainly some truth in this observation. To me, it’s a fallout from the advent of the RPO letting the QB decide AFTER the snap what play will be run. When no one knows, no one is ready. 

[Nuncha]

It will be Yeldon because of his pass catching ability.  Just hope to God he doesn't fumble. 

[machine gun kelly]

14 hours ago, ALLEN1QB said:

I actually think Singletary is more Dynamic than Moss was surprised he got so many touches

McD seemed to lose a little confidence in Singletary when he fumbled several games ago.  He pretty much admitted it.  Moss was getting more carries after that game.

 

I like Singletary and he will most likely carried the load fir the rest of the playoffs.

[scribo]

"Next man up" is all about trust. Who does the staff trust enough to give the rock and to give the responsibility of picking up the blitz & protecting our MVP?

 

My guess is Singletary gets a lot more playing time, and I would guess Yeldon just because of his experience.

[billsbackto81]

3 hours ago, Azucho98 said:

It will be Yeldon because of his pass catching ability.  Just hope to God he doesn't fumble. 

We don't need another pass catcher. We need a back that can hit the hole and get 3-5 yards consistently. Another example of why Josh should be MVP. He has no running game to take pressure off a pass rush whatsoever and still puts up big numbers as he carries this team. 

[Matt_In_NH]

3 hours ago, Azucho98 said:

Just hope to God he doesn't fumble. 

THIS!

[NewEra]

43 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Perhaps Moss getting hurt finally activates Yeldon. 

My comment was in regards to someone saying that we should activate Yeldon because he’s the best pass catcher.

 

we don’t need pass catchers. 
 

I agree that Yeldon will be activated. I’m just not sure he’s the best man for the job.  I’d activate Williams as well

[Hebert19]

56 minutes ago, NewEra said:

My comment was in regards to someone saying that we should activate Yeldon because he’s the best pass catcher.

 

we don’t need pass catchers. 
 

I agree that Yeldon will be activated. I’m just not sure he’s the best man for the job.  I’d activate Williams as well

Yeldon runs well too.  Very patient.    Think he's a little underrated.  

14 hours ago, NewEra said:

They are #2 guys.  Similar to Damian Williams last year.  Sony Michel/James White the year before.  Lagarette Blount the year before.  

 

Are you suggesting that we upgrade?  If so, with which resource?  1st or 2nd rd pick?  Or a 8+ mill dollar salary? 

The reason we have them and won't upgrade is that they are both capable of being 3 down backs.  They both have great hands and pick up the blitz well.   That's what this team needs. 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

58 minutes ago, NewEra said:

My comment was in regards to someone saying that we should activate Yeldon because he’s the best pass catcher.

 

we don’t need pass catchers. 
 

I agree that Yeldon will be activated. I’m just not sure he’s the best man for the job.  I’d activate Williams as well

Not just pass catching Yeldon can pick up blitz. 

[Hebert19]

12 hours ago, ganesh said:

Singletary made a key block on the Diggs TD throw to allow Allen to stay in the pocket,  Outstanding block

Just said this.  This offense needs what they both bring.  Hands and blitz pickup.  They both run decently but we need all around backs in this O.   Moss looks like a WR when he is targeted on certain routes

[NewEra]

5 minutes ago, Hebert19 said:

Yeldon runs well too.  Very patient.    Think he's a little underrated.  

The reason we have them and won't upgrade is that they are both capable of being 3 down backs.  They both have great hands and pick up the blitz well.   That's what this team needs. 

I like both of our RBs. They’re both good enough to get it done.  Adding a speed element to the backfield would give our O another dimension.  We currently use Mckenzie as that speed element.  He might not be back next season. 

[YoloinOhio]

3 minutes ago, NewEra said:

I like both of our RBs. They’re both good enough to get it done.  Adding a speed element to the backfield would give our O another dimension.  We currently use Mckenzie as that speed element.  He might not be back next season. 

Is McKenzie a FA? If so I could see him ending up wherever Daboll goes 

[NewEra]

3 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Is McKenzie a FA? If so I could see him ending up wherever Daboll goes 

Yup 😞 

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

6 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Is McKenzie a FA? If so I could see him ending up wherever Daboll goes 

the good thing is now there are a dozen guys just like him. The fast, short slot guy who runs jet sweeps are remarkable Easy to find. 

[Nextmanup]

18 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

Allen ran way too much (and I actually like this ability from him)

 

We have GOT to get some production from our running game we cannot have Josh running that much again....if he goes down we are sunk

There's a lot wrong with this post.  I know a lot of people here would agree with you though.

 

Josh running is one of the most lethal things we do on offense.  He should be incorporated much more into the offense as a runner than he is.

Secondly, lots of fans like to equate running with being injured, despite there not really being data to support that.

How about Russell Wilson?  Does he like to run?  How injured has he been through his career?

How about QBs (like Goff right now) get injured standing in the pocket?  

 

What data do you have to support injury rates on run plays relative to pocket plays?  

 

It's all just nonsense.

 

Let him run!  If he does get injured, yes, we are DONE!   

 

We can agree on that.

 

Don't equate that with running however.

 

 

[The Frankish Reich]

I expect to see Taiwan out there at RB too.

It's easy to disparage him after he dropped that TD catch. But remember who caught the long TD pass in the playoffs against us last year. He's fast and he's a threat out of the backfield.

As for Yeldon, he's still a perfectly fine RB without a whole lot of mileage on him. The whole history of fumbling thing is way overblown. He's fumbled 7 times in almost 700 touches in his NFL career, about 1 in 100. Singletary has fumbled 5 times in 374 touches in his career ...

[Ethan in Cleveland]

2 hours ago, billsbackto81 said:

We don't need another pass catcher. We need a back that can hit the hole and get 3-5 yards consistently. Another example of why Josh should be MVP. He has no running game to take pressure off a pass rush whatsoever and still puts up big numbers as he carries this team. 

Not true.  Indy dropped a bunch of guys in coverage and the check down to the RB's kept the chains moving.  Singletary and MOss did great job in pass protection as well.  

I wouldn't trust a PS player at this time of year.  It should be Yeldon.

 

5 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

I expect to see Taiwan out there at RB too.

It's easy to disparage him after he dropped that TD catch. But remember who caught the long TD pass in the playoffs against us last year. He's fast and he's a threat out of the backfield.

As for Yeldon, he's still a perfectly fine RB without a whole lot of mileage on him. The whole history of fumbling thing is way overblown. He's fumbled 7 times in almost 700 touches in his NFL career, about 1 in 100. Singletary has fumbled 5 times in 374 touches in his career ...

Clever use of facts on this board that don't fit the narrative. I see what you did there.  Well played!

[Just Joshin']

2 hours ago, billsbackto81 said:

We don't need another pass catcher. We need a back that can hit the hole and get 3-5 yards consistently. Another example of why Josh should be MVP. He has no running game to take pressure off a pass rush whatsoever and still puts up big numbers as he carries this team. 

While your premise is fine how do you know Williams is the answer?  Too small a dataset to say yes.  In the playoffs do you go with the vet or the PS player.  The low risk option is Yeldon. 

[John from Riverside]

1 hour ago, Nextmanup said:

There's a lot wrong with this post.  I know a lot of people here would agree with you though.

 

Josh running is one of the most lethal things we do on offense.  He should be incorporated much more into the offense as a runner than he is.

Secondly, lots of fans like to equate running with being injured, despite there not really being data to support that.

How about Russell Wilson?  Does he like to run?  How injured has he been through his career?

How about QBs (like Goff right now) get injured standing in the pocket?  

 

What data do you have to support injury rates on run plays relative to pocket plays?  

 

It's all just nonsense.

 

Let him run!  If he does get injured, yes, we are DONE!   

 

We can agree on that.

 

Don't equate that with running however.

 

 

Let me ask you this whenever you see Josh Allen run do you expect him to slide or do you expect him to square up and run into a defender it’s not the run it’s the way Josh finishes the runs which in itself makes the fans love him but also open them up to injury his offense of line is protected him well old year the pocket is the safest place for him if he goes down or season is over would you agree?

[The Wiz]