StHustle Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 NFLPA President JC Tretter thinks the quality of play hasn't been affected enough to justify ever having minicamps or OTAs ever again. He thinks it's not worth the extra wear and tear on players' bodies. I never considered these non contact events as being of the wear and tear variety and would rather not see them go. However, I can see both sides of the argument and definitely can't complain about how not having OTAs and minicamps have affected this season considering the Bills are having their best year since the Glory Days. Your thoughts? https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30629360/nflpa-president-jc-tretter-seeks-end-minicamps-otas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 I mean, most teams ended up doing more off books minicamps anyway. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Do The Reich Thing Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 Sounds like a current player trying to lessen his work load. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whkfc Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 i have to work 50 weeks a year. These guys work what half that and thats too much. 4 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clayboy54 Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 They can cancel any contact or padded workouts if they want. They need the classroom study and walkthroughs. There’s no wear and tear in that work. No need to keep them away from each other all spring and summer. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penfield45 Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 If they want that then go ahead and make it a 18 game season NFL offseason is already way too long. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 4 minutes ago, StHustle said: NFLPA President JC Tretter thinks the quality of play hasn't been affected enough to justify ever having minicamps or OTAs ever again. He thinks it's not worth the extra wear and tear on players' bodies. I never considered these non contact events as being of the wear and tear variety and would rather not see them go. However, I can see both sides of the argument and definitely can't complain about how not having OTAs and minicamps have affected this season considering the Bills are having their best year since the Glory Days. Your thoughts? https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30629360/nflpa-president-jc-tretter-seeks-end-minicamps-otas The Bills had more returning starters than a lot of teams. Players have been talking about the difficulty of getting everyone on the same page without this all year. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 (edited) We should just not even allow these guys to get together until 1 week before the season starts... You know to prevent wear and tear. Did Tretter talk about giving the players less money for them having less to do? Edited December 31, 2020 by TBBills 7 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 This guy needs to watch more games. There has been a TON of crappy play this year. 7 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 6 minutes ago, StHustle said: NFLPA President JC Tretter thinks the quality of play hasn't been affected enough to justify ever having minicamps or OTAs ever again. He thinks it's not worth the extra wear and tear on players' bodies. I never considered these non contact events as being of the wear and tear variety and would rather not see them go. However, I can see both sides of the argument and definitely can't complain about how not having OTAs and minicamps have affected this season considering the Bills are having their best year since the Glory Days. Your thoughts? https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30629360/nflpa-president-jc-tretter-seeks-end-minicamps-otas I don't think teams ever intend to put wear and tear on the players bodies, keep them in shape physically and mentally, yes. Beat them up, no. I think this is just the reason they are using to get a hall pass longer in the offseason. The owners will give something up here since it has no affect on revenues. More guys will get out of shape in the offseason, everyone will have to deal with it in some way shape or form. Zoom calls have wear and tear on your eyes, they should cut back on those. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 2 minutes ago, K-9 said: This guy needs to watch more games. There has been a TON of crappy play this year. No more so than other years imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 (edited) Getting rid of minicamps and OTA’s would really hurt the chances of drafted rookies, UDFA’s, and even NFL F/A signing with a new team. Edited December 31, 2020 by Back the Blue 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedboy7 Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 9 minutes ago, Whkfc said: i have to work 50 weeks a year. These guys work what half that and thats too much. You need to try out for an NFL team yo! Live the easy life. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whkfc Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 4 minutes ago, nedboy7 said: You need to try out for an NFL team yo! Live the easy life. where do i sign up? i will never be on tv getting arrested ill just sit home and mind my business when not working. so i got that going for me. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 I wouldn't have a problem getting rid of that stuff. Get rid of the pre-season, too, please. Add more regular season games if necessary, that's fine! There aren't enough games in the regular season anyone. And remember, you don't have to get hit to put mileage on the odometer. These guys are running themselves down all the time and injuries often result from non-contact and only the injured player being involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmart128 Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 Defenses has been way worse this year... ours has even took a hit without preseason, OTAs, and minicamps. Guy obviously has no clue. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 Awesome, I'm sure you can discuss that in the next CBA. Owners would love to give up something that makes them relatively little money for an 18th regular season game. The current leaders of the NFLPA are morons. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 37 minutes ago, StHustle said: NFLPA President JC Tretter thinks the quality of play hasn't been affected enough to justify ever having minicamps or OTAs ever again. He thinks it's not worth the extra wear and tear on players' bodies. I never considered these non contact events as being of the wear and tear variety and would rather not see them go. However, I can see both sides of the argument and definitely can't complain about how not having OTAs and minicamps have affected this season considering the Bills are having their best year since the Glory Days. Your thoughts? https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30629360/nflpa-president-jc-tretter-seeks-end-minicamps-otas seriously? leave the camps alone Just cut Preseason to 2 games and be done with it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 Maybe for vets but I think removing them hurts the rookies. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 1 minute ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said: seriously? leave the camps alone Just cut Preseason to 2 games and be done with it. This is why they never hire the union workers to be union reps or get promoted to management. We would go from 8 jobs a day to 3, which would be great but it will never happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjd1001 Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 I'm fine with it, as long as the rules are the same for all teams, go ahead and end them. Get down to 1 or 2 preseason games, and shorten regular camp one week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CEN-CAL17 Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 How do rookies, free agents etc just come in a succeed unless you have workouts in May and June? Then start preseason in early August with only 2 Preseason games. How soon everyone forgets all the chatter and injuries early in the season and many assumptions it was due to lack of workouts and preseason contact. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 I am cool with it too...honestly he is right. There was very little dropoff and rookies managed to integrate pretty well overall. 2 minutes ago, CEN-CAL17 said: How do rookies, free agents etc just come in a succeed unless you have workouts in May and June? Then start preseason in early August with only 2 Preseason games. How soon everyone forgets all the chatter and injuries early in the season and many assumptions it was due to lack of workouts and preseason contact. I dunno...maybe ask Justin Jefferson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 48 minutes ago, StHustle said: NFLPA President JC Tretter thinks the quality of play hasn't been affected enough to justify ever having minicamps or OTAs ever again. He thinks it's not worth the extra wear and tear on players' bodies. I never considered these non contact events as being of the wear and tear variety and would rather not see them go. However, I can see both sides of the argument and definitely can't complain about how not having OTAs and minicamps have affected this season considering the Bills are having their best year since the Glory Days. Your thoughts? https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30629360/nflpa-president-jc-tretter-seeks-end-minicamps-otas Less work hours equals less pay if I’m an owner, of course this is just the beginning of the 17/18 game season negotiations... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 1 hour ago, StHustle said: NFLPA President JC Tretter thinks the quality of play hasn't been affected enough to justify ever having minicamps or OTAs ever again. He thinks it's not worth the extra wear and tear on players' bodies. I never considered these non contact events as being of the wear and tear variety and would rather not see them go. However, I can see both sides of the argument and definitely can't complain about how not having OTAs and minicamps have affected this season considering the Bills are having their best year since the Glory Days. Your thoughts? https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30629360/nflpa-president-jc-tretter-seeks-end-minicamps-otas Well just as whenever the owners want to change something, they have to give the players back something in return; this is the owners turn if it were to go forward! Can anybody spell 18 game schedule! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheektowaga Chad Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 Just get rid of the mandatory aspect. Teams will continue to schedule them or even more When contracts and starting spots go to players that show up to work, the players Association just did the exact opposite of what they are trying to do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st&ten Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 Gee why don't they just play all the games Virtually ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 Great idea. Maybe he can bring it up in 2030.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 (edited) I am good with getting rid of the OTAs and Mini Camps. I am also good with getting rid of the Preseason. Get me 18 real games. With expanded rosters. keep Training camp. And maybe Rookie camp after draft. Edited December 31, 2020 by MAJBobby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 The NFLPA is going to need a giveback to add that 17th game.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 32 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: I am good with getting rid of the OTAs and Mini Camps. I am also good with getting rid of the Preseason. Get me 18 real games. With expanded rosters. keep Training camp. And maybe Rookie camp after draft. Not to nitpick, but rookie camp is a minicamp. 😉 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CEN-CAL17 Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 2 hours ago, Big Turk said: I am cool with it too...honestly he is right. There was very little dropoff and rookies managed to integrate pretty well overall. I dunno...maybe ask Justin Jefferson Since every rookie is a first round pick. You make a good point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 19 minutes ago, CEN-CAL17 said: Since every rookie is a first round pick. You make a good point. OK...ask Gabe Davis then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 35 minutes ago, Back the Blue said: Not to nitpick, but rookie camp is a minicamp. 😉 Yeah I am good with that being cancelled too. Though I think the PA would allow that one so Rookies have a little time getting acclimated before Training Camp. Remember the PA has in the past not cared about rookies (rookie salary cap) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mc1320 Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 Coaches are definitely not going to be down with this 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 I’m torn. What about the fans who take their kids to the camps to see their heroes. The families who can’t afford to go to games. This is their only experience to be up close and personal to the players. To get the autographs and photos. To memorialize and share with children and grandchildren. I get the fact that they want less wear and tear on their bodies but think about the people that helps pay their salaries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boater Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 Wrong. Sounds like a union doing what unions do: reduce the workload. OTAs and minicamps are part of the process. They are meaningful to developing players. For goodness sake, they are non-contact. But they do get players mastery over the upcoming playbook. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djp14150 Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 I disagree on not having a post draft mini camp. There is a lot of benefit to that with the new drsfted players and new firer agrnts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 Cancel all the preseason games. Keep the OTA's. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 5 hours ago, Big Turk said: OK...ask Gabe Davis then. he wasn’t ready week one. And imagine how much better he’d be now. Also less penalties this year because of less holding being called. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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