Week 10: Bills at Cardinals

[NickelCity]

2 hours ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

Murray is really developing. I watched that game today and can see him giving us fits because of his speed. We don’t have a ton of top shelf speed on D. McDermott and Leslie had a good game plan for Jackson last year, but Murray might be past Jackson in reading defenses. Plus Murray has some great wideouts. 
Should be a good game.

 

 A good take. His quickness is elite and who do we have who can run with him? Would love for Neal to claim a role in this D.

[Big Blitz]

The Cards and Seahawks played the game of the year just 2 weeks ago, combining for over 1000 yards.  

 

I think AZ got to full of themselves during the bye.  

 

They'll be focused and angry.  Especially Jordan Phillips.  Who has 2 whole sacks on the year.  Revenge game!  

 

The Cards are going to score 24-30 points.  They just do.  You can't turn it over against them.  Murray will definitely turn the ball over.  

 

Protect the ball.  Score 35.  Win.  

[Big Blitz]

Not that I think this is something worth sweating, but since our playoff odds are well, high, and division champs also high.  I think it's time to consider what being the 4 seed means vs a 2 or 3.

 

I think odds are extremely high Baltimore is the 5 seed.  Want no part of that D in round 1.

 

We want the 2 or 3 seed.  That means playing anyone from the Colts to the Raiders Browns or Dolphins.   Colts and Titans will be playing each other twice here in the next few weeks. 

 

 

So what I'm saying, time to be greedy.  If you want the 2 or 3 seed, beating AZ increases those odds tremendously.  

Edited November 9, 2020 by Big Blitz

[billsfan89]

Toss up game here. Although I think the Bills are slightly better than Arizona but the Cards are a solid team in their own right and they are home so it ventures into being a toss up. 

 

Sitting at 7-2 it isn't a must win but the Bills should look to get this harder game going into a bye the team is hurting for. 

[Big C]

18 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

Not that I think this is something worth sweating, but since our playoff odds are well, high, and division champs also high.  I think it's time to consider what being the 4 seed means vs a 2 or 3.

 

I think odds are extremely high Baltimore is the 5 seed.  Want no part of that D in round 1.

 

We want the 2 or 3 seed.  That means playing anyone from the Colts to the Raiders Browns or Dolphins.   Colts and Titans will be playing each other twice here in the next few weeks. 

 

 

So what I'm saying, time to be greedy.  If you want the 2 or 3 seed, beating AZ increases those odds tremendously.  

In summation, higher seeds are better and winning more games leads to a higher seed.

[smuvtalker]

5 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

I'll be the first to admit I don't know jack about Vegas and the betting lines and such, but WHAT???  Underdogs?  After the whoopin we just gave the Seahawks, better record, against better opponents, yet we still open as underdogs?  

 

I don't get it.   But at the same time, I don't mind.  We always seem to play better when we're not favored.

[Big C]

5 minutes ago, smuvtalker said:

I'll be the first to admit I don't know jack about Vegas and the betting lines and such, but WHAT???  Underdogs?  After the whoopin we just gave the Seahawks, better record, against better opponents, yet we still open as underdogs?  

 

I don't get it.   But at the same time, I don't mind.  We always seem to play better when we're not favored.

keep in mind it is typically a 3 point swing for home team. On a neutral field we have the advantage. COVID makes the home field advantage a little less of one, but that’s typically how the lines are made. Arizona just beat the Hawks too. It’s gonna be a tough out.

[smuvtalker]

4 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

Maybe in my 20's. I'm in my 60's now. Give me comfort.

In 2008, I decided to take my wife (then girlfriend) to Buffalo to meet my extended family.  Conveniently, I made it the weekend the Bills were playing the Browns on Monday night football.  It was November 17th.  We got there around 5pm or so to start the pre-game festivities.   The temp was around 32 or so degrees, and by kick-off it was down to maybe 28 or 29.  I swear I haven't been that cold since.  I had hand warmers inside my gloves, down in my underwear, and in my shoes.  My poor wife is from New Orleans, and I remember looking over at her, and she looked so miserable...at halftime she said "I'm going to sit in the car."  I couldn't be mad at her.  Ever since that game I've never gone to a Bills game past October lol.

Edited November 9, 2020 by smuvtalker

[MRW]

19 minutes ago, smuvtalker said:

In 2008, I decided to take my wife (then girlfriend) to Buffalo to meet my extended family.  Conveniently, I made it the weekend the Bills were playing the Browns on Monday night football.  It was November 17th.  We got there around 5pm or so to start the pre-game festivities.   The temp was around 32 or so degrees, and by kick-off it was down to maybe 28 or 29.  I swear I haven't been that cold since.  I had hand warmers inside my gloves, down in my underwear, and in my shoes.  My poor wife is from New Orleans, and I remember looking over at her, and she looked so miserable...at halftime she said "I'm going to sit in the car."  I couldn't be mad at her.  Ever since that game I've never gone to a Bills game past October lol.

 

It was Bills vs. Browns. How fair is it to blame it on the weather?

[John from Riverside]

6 hours ago, DollaBills said:

Not going to lie, even a loss here and going into the BYE 7-3 is *max* comfy 

If we can beat the Seahawks we can beat the Cardinals

[BritBill]

The next instalment of White v Hopkins. Always a brilliant battle.

[FeelingOnYouboty]

Another tough game. Getting a W before the BYE would be huge!

[machine gun kelly]

8 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Tell me about. I'm done with wind/rain/snow games. Start that new stadium and dome me. You saw what JA did today with perfect weather. 

It’s not going to happen.  The state and nation’s economy is still terrible, the Pegulas are projected to be $360 mil. light in their businesses combined, the NFL teams alone all lost a ton of $ with no fans, so that likelihood is not for a few years at least.  Nothing will be decided until the lease is up and maybe not even at that point.  I’m sure the Pegulas want to do it, and have been preparing for a downtown stadium, but they couldn’t have predicted nor could anyone this pandemic.

 

As far as the Cardinals, it looks like it will be another shootout.

[Chandler#81]

More than half our victories are against teams with winning records, vanquished the Patriots* and are 4-0 in Division play at mid season. We have our franchise Quarterback.

We’re ending the grumbling of no ‘signature wins’, ‘can’t beat good teams’, one dimensional team. We’re as “great” as any team going. 

 

Enjoy it! 

[YoloinOhio]

8 hours ago, zow2 said:

 

True, but it's a lock Miami is going to lose a couple games you think they *should* win.   Would not surprise me if the Chargers beat em this weekend.  

 Both the chargers and bengals are dangerous games for them. Despite their records they are improving teams who play hard and have QBs who can throw downfield and run. 

5 hours ago, NickelCity said:

 

 A good take. His quickness is elite and who do we have who can run with him? Would love for Neal to claim a role in this D.

Darron Lee as a spy if he gets to play this week. Runs a 4.4, very quick 

[BrainwashedBillsFan]

10 hours ago, ogham26 said:

 

id argue beating the 49ers week 1 was a solid win..  49ers fully healthy at that point

I believe several big time players were injured during that game for the niners 

[PromoTheRobot]

8 hours ago, Nitro said:

I remember sitting in the stadium on a cold and miserable October afternoon and seeing the Bills beat Atlanta 3-0.  I doubt that I would enjoy doing that again!  

 

My worst memory is watching the Patriots destroy the Bills 50-something to something in a sleet storm. I really questioned my sanity that day.

[machine gun kelly]

Just listening to Sal on his spot, and even though I caught two games of the angry birds this year as my son likes them since he was 7, I didn’t notice as much the Cards have a tendency to play a 0-6-5 defense like the Pats tried against us.  This could be another Pats game where I’m not a fantasy guy, but could be a good Moss/Singletary day.  The birds are better against the pass.  
 

I still think the return finally to health of Brown and Feliciano is a big thing for our offense.  Not sure if Morse will make it back and truly hope he is ok with all of those concussions.  If by chance he can and wants to come back, this line will look even better.

[Greg S]

Today's Daily News has the Cards as a 2 point favorite. Also Miami a 2 point favorite vs the Chargers.

[RichRiderBills]

I dont see our Team struggling to move the ball. I think our offense will click down there in a dome. Get up and get scoring early...like today make them keep pace. 

 

My only concerns are giving up sacks, cant give up so many and have to run more. 7 sacks on a regular basis will lose games. Got to have more believable Play action.

 

I see D selling out to stop run and contain QB, need to count on corners and safeties. Hopefully healthy back there.

 

QB is a handful....but we've contained running QBs before. See strategy last year for Ravens...which was a good execution. 

 

I think the Bills have more talent and are a better team. I Like the Bills in this one, but do think its going to be similiar race track kinda game.

Edited November 9, 2020 by RichRiderBills

[TPS]

I'm a big believer in the mental aspects of competition.  In the "guess the score" thread for the Seattle game, I picked the Bills to win based on the desire to make a statement much like the Dallas Turkey Bowl last year.  The NFL is really an "any given Sunday" league, and winning is as much mental as physical. The Saints aren't that much better than the Bucs, they just wanted/needed to make a statement more than the Over-confident Bucs.  

My point, I'm less confident about this game than I was about the Seahawks.  McD is good at getting the players prepared each week, but players are susceptible to the mental challenges week-to-week.  This is a game the Bills should win because they are the better team, but that mentality, if held by the players, could be their undoing this week...I hope not. 

[Greg S]

1 minute ago, TPS said:

I'm a big believer in the mental aspects of competition.  In the "guess the score" thread for the Seattle game, I picked the Bills to win based on the desire to make a statement much like the Dallas Turkey Bowl last year.  The NFL is really an "any given Sunday" league, and winning is as much mental as physical. The Saints aren't that much better than the Bucs, they just wanted/needed to make a statement more than the Over-confident Bucs.  

My point, I'm less confident about this game than I was about the Seahawks.  McD is good at getting the players prepared each week, but players are susceptible to the mental challenges week-to-week.  This is a game the Bills should win because they are the better team, but that mentality, if held by the players, could be their undoing this week...I hope not. 

 

Almost hurt Pittsburgh yesterday. You knew they would have a major letdown coming off a win over their biggest rivals in the Ravens. Talent wise the Cowboys shouldn't be on the same field as the Steelers but they almost pulled off the upset.

[wjag]

Bills need a healthy secondary against AZ.  Fingers crossed on White.  

[RichRiderBills]

17 minutes ago, TPS said:

I'm a big believer in the mental aspects of competition.  In the "guess the score" thread for the Seattle game, I picked the Bills to win based on the desire to make a statement much like the Dallas Turkey Bowl last year.  The NFL is really an "any given Sunday" league, and winning is as much mental as physical. The Saints aren't that much better than the Bucs, they just wanted/needed to make a statement more than the Over-confident Bucs.  

My point, I'm less confident about this game than I was about the Seahawks.  McD is good at getting the players prepared each week, but players are susceptible to the mental challenges week-to-week.  This is a game the Bills should win because they are the better team, but that mentality, if held by the players, could be their undoing this week...I hope not. 

 

This Bills team seems good here though. They dont usually sandbag and generally have a focused attitude. McD does a good job keeping them on point.

[BritBill]

21 minutes ago, TPS said:

I'm a big believer in the mental aspects of competition.  In the "guess the score" thread for the Seattle game, I picked the Bills to win based on the desire to make a statement much like the Dallas Turkey Bowl last year.  The NFL is really an "any given Sunday" league, and winning is as much mental as physical. The Saints aren't that much better than the Bucs, they just wanted/needed to make a statement more than the Over-confident Bucs.  

My point, I'm less confident about this game than I was about the Seahawks.  McD is good at getting the players prepared each week, but players are susceptible to the mental challenges week-to-week.  This is a game the Bills should win because they are the better team, but that mentality, if held by the players, could be their undoing this week...I hope not. 

 

Beating teams they're better than hasn't been a problem under McDermott. We'll get it done somehow.

[thebandit27]

Tough, tough game.

 

They have an extremely talented offense, a creative play caller, and will be coming with an edge after a bad loss.

 

Gotta stick with the same game plan: play disciplined zone coverage, timely & effective blitzes, make plays on the football defensively.

 

Offensively, their run D isn’t good, but I would much prefer if Buffalo can take advantage of their corners. Much like Seattle, they’ve got a stick of dynamite back there at safety and they’ll use him everywhere. Use that PA and pump fake game to slow him down.

[bills6969]

I think their offense will give us fits.  Murray is extremely dynamic and given how bad we have been against run,  I worry he runs over us.

[YoloinOhio]

Tre White vs DHop part III

[NI Bills Fan]

Murray's mobility and elusiveness concerns me in this one, not for huge gains but in terms converting 3rd downs and maintaining drives, he really excels there.  We’ll miss Milano again and from memory it was Shaq Lawson who got a lot of the credit when the D were able to contain Lamar Jackson last season.  Does the current D-Line personnel posses the required attributes to contain Murray?

 

With that said, I do think we can win this game, albeit a close high scoring one, and after last night I can barely wait until Sunday already.

 

 

Also wanted to mention that Daboll deserves a lot of credit for the work he's put in this offseason in the gym!  

 

10 hours ago, wvbillsfan said:

Arizona!!!!

 

 

Edited November 9, 2020 by NI Bills Fan

[whatdrought]

I'm not saying this is a walk in the park, but people need to set aside the media's perception of the Cardinals and look at the facts: 

 

They're 5-3. Here's who they've beaten: 

 

49ers

WFT

Jets

Cowboys

Seahawks

 

Here's who they've lost to:

 

Lions

Panthers

Dolphins

 

I think you have to put asterisks next to the wins against the 49ers and the Seahawks (not to take away from them) because the NFC west has the ability to have weird interdivisional games that actually don't reflect the teams all that much. More so than any other division. Those games are rarely indicative of the team. So take that with a grain of salt. 

 

Murray is playing decently well, but he's turned the ball over in every game except the Cowboys game, where he completed less than 40% of his passes. 

 

Overall their defense is worse than ours (but it's close)

 

I don't see them as any harder of a matchup than the Seahawks, and I think our defense is surging at just the right time. 

[Seoulofstone]

Cardinals losses weren't exactly a murderers row. Dolphins, Panthers, Lions. But they've also had good wins.  They definitely blow hot and cold.

[Scott7975]

1 minute ago, whatdrought said:

I'm not saying this is a walk in the park, but people need to set aside the media's perception of the Cardinals and look at the facts: 

 

They're 5-3. Here's who they've beaten: 

 

49ers

WFT

Jets

Cowboys

Seahawks

 

Here's who they've lost to:

 

Lions

Panthers

Dolphins

 

I think you have to put asterisks next to the wins against the 49ers and the Seahawks (not to take away from them) because the NFC west has the ability to have weird interdivisional games that actually don't reflect the teams all that much. More so than any other division. Those games are rarely indicative of the team. So take that with a grain of salt. 

 

Murray is playing decently well, but he's turned the ball over in every game except the Cowboys game, where he completed less than 40% of his passes. 

 

Overall their defense is worse than ours (but it's close)

 

I don't see them as any harder of a matchup than the Seahawks, and I think our defense is surging at just the right time. 

I agree. I think they are a good team but not some scarry good team some people think they are

[MAJBobby]

Just like with Seattle. LET JOSH COOK.

 

This offense when they allow him to be him and run it through his arm is amazing (now that Brown is back) 

[Nineforty]

1 hour ago, TPS said:

I'm a big believer in the mental aspects of competition.  In the "guess the score" thread for the Seattle game, I picked the Bills to win based on the desire to make a statement much like the Dallas Turkey Bowl last year.  The NFL is really an "any given Sunday" league, and winning is as much mental as physical. The Saints aren't that much better than the Bucs, they just wanted/needed to make a statement more than the Over-confident Bucs.  

My point, I'm less confident about this game than I was about the Seahawks.  McD is good at getting the players prepared each week, but players are susceptible to the mental challenges week-to-week.  This is a game the Bills should win because they are the better team, but that mentality, if held by the players, could be their undoing this week...I hope not. 

 

how do you arrive at an answer as to whether or not your rationale for a loss is correct?  faith?

[MAJBobby]

 

[Stank_Nasty]

k. So here’s my weekly “it’s been since 2017 since we scored on defense so we’re due” post. 
 

..... it’s been since 2017 since we’ve scored on defense so we’re due... tre came up 3 yds short yesterday darn it! 

 

 

Also is there a team with a better win resume than us right now? 
5-3 fins

5-3 rams

5-3 raiders 

6-2 hawks  

 

and our 2 losses are to teams that are a combined 14-3. Geez. 
 

 

2 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

 

He’ll most likely drop down to 3rd or 4th after our bye but it’s still impressive as hell. 

[Big Turk]

12 hours ago, par73 said:

Tough game out West against a dynamic QB. I really thought they would help out the Bills today by beating Miami, so that is frustrating.

 

They would likely have if their kicker didn't come up short from 49 yards on a kick that was going right down the middle...no idea how that hapened because the man just hit a 56 yarder a few weeks ago so it isn't like he has range issues...

 

Dolphins just winning in unsustainable ways the last 2 weeks...relying on defense to score each game, ST returns for TDs, kickers inexplicably missing FGs in a way that almost never happens...

 

That luck will run out eventually, they are not going 8-0 over the 2nd half of the year.

[Fan in Chicago]

45 minutes ago, Seoulofstone said:

Cardinals losses weren't exactly a murderers row. Dolphins, Panthers, Lions. But they've also had good wins.  They definitely blow hot and cold.

Besides the Seahawks, who we shellacked yesterday, which ones would you classify as "good wins" ?

[RochesterLifer]

4 minutes ago, Fan in Chicago said:

Besides the Seahawks, who we shellacked yesterday, which ones would you classify as "good wins" ?

Regardless of what someone thinks of the wins, you have to respect the records of teams we have beaten. They are what their record says they are. Rams (5-3), at the Raiders (5-3) and at the the Dolphins (5-3). Add the Seahawks to that resume and our win list cannot be called weak.

Edited November 9, 2020 by RochesterLifer

[thebandit27]

7 minutes ago, matter2003 said:

 

They would likely have if their kicker didn't come up short from 49 yards on a kick that was going right down the middle...no idea how that hapened because the man just hit a 56 yarder a few weeks ago so it isn't like he has range issues...

 

Dolphins just winning in unsustainable ways the last 2 weeks...relying on defense to score each game, ST returns for TDs, kickers inexplicably missing FGs in a way that almost never happens...

 

That luck will run out eventually, they are not going 8-0 over the 2nd half of the year.

Gonzalez just mis-hit it. Happens.

 

Wanna bet he nails a huge one against us? Bet he does...we have a weird history against Arizona kickers...their team has had two kickers in history hit 60-yard FGs: Jay Feely hit a 61-yarder at home against Buffalo in 2012, and Chandler Catanzaro hit a 60-yarder on the road in 2016...against Buffalo.