Would you be cool if the Bills traded Tre White for a big trade package like the Jets got for Adams?

[YoloinOhio]

50 minutes ago, Mc1320 said:

Stefon Gilmore quit on this team and did not want to be here.  Not sure how much of that can be attributed to that fat gasbag Rex, but you do not want a disgruntled high profile player on your roster similar to how the Adams scenario played out.

He doesn’t seem disgruntled, at all, with the Bills. Quite the opposite. 

Edited August 6, 2020 by YoloinOhio

[Big Turk]

Hell no. Close thread.

[Peace Frog]

Please stop it.

[snamsnoops]

NAH

[Kirby Jackson]

[ColoradoBills]

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

I'm going to say no.  Obviously for the right price any player is available, but certain positions get paid, and they traditionally get paid by the team they play for.  QBs, WRs, CBs, and LTs are the big ones.  Replacements are hard to come by, and mediocre players often get massively overpaid.

[MAJBobby]

58 minutes ago, Estro said:

Its always stuck with me that one of McDermotts first decisions with the Bills was to let Stephon Gilmorexwalk in FA.  As far as I understand the Bills didn't even extend an offer to Gilmore, and then they used their 1st tound pick that yr to srlect White.  I always thought that McDermott might be a coach who doesn't like to overpay at the CB position as his defenses seem yo perform well without having lock down CB's.

 

It would definitely hurt to lose a player of Whites caliber short term, but what if the Bills could return a bounty like the Jets got for Adams.  IMO, White is a more valuable player than Adams so I don't think a similar trade package is crazy.

 

Like I said White is a great player, but hes also going to command about $20M a yr. soon.......and I just don't think its good business to spend that type of money on any 1 player, outside of a good QB.  Id much rather have the $20M in cap space plus two 1st rounders, plus an avg. starting CB if a trade were to go down.

 

I have a feeling it won't be well received on this forum, but I think it'd be a smart move.  I think the Bills would still have a really good roster and with the extra cap space (by not signing White) and the extra draft capital (two 1st round picks) would be a lot more valuable than just 1 CB in Tre White.

How do you know McD doesnt want to pay CBs?  Gilmore.....  I think that was more of a system and personality cut than anything, additionally first year new HC probably knew he had time, hence the same year Gilmore walked White was drafted, and by far a better fit in the Zone Heavy system of McD than Gilmore was (and I like Gilmore he is an elite CB).

[RiotAct]

No, unless it was for like five first-round picks.

[Buftex]

1 hour ago, Mc1320 said:

Stefon Gilmore quit on this team and did not want to be here.  Not sure how much of that can be attributed to that fat gasbag Rex, but you do not want a disgruntled high profile player on your roster similar to how the Adams scenario played out.

I am not sure that Gilmore quit on the Bills...and I never hated the guy...but I never felt he was as good as Tre'Davious has already shown himself to be.  Granted, White plays on an overall more talented team, but I honestly remember Gilmore have more bad moments than good, in a Bills uniform.

[Rico]

If he turns into a problem, absolutely.

 

Until then, no.

[Billl]

Tre isn’t just a great player, he’s a great fit in this system.  Whatever draft picks you would get wouldn’t be expected to be impact players for years even in a best case scenario.  By then, if the rest of the plan goes well, (ie. Josh turns into a franchise QB), whatever money was saved not paying Tre will have been soaked up retaining players who are currently on cheap contracts.  
 

The Jets did the right thing in moving Adams because they aren’t in their Super Bowl window.  They aren’t in a Super Bowl window because of years of incompetent management.  Their new GM seems poised to end that cycle.

 

Buffalo appears to have ended a similar cycle.  They’ve executed their plan, and it’s time to see if it works.  You don’t spend years building a roster, trading for picks in order to move up for a QB, and developing that QB only to ship off your best player who is a 25 year old star at a premium position and a solid guy off the field.  
 

Now is the time to acquire as much talent as possible.  That’s going to involve spending a lot of money and draft capital.  I can promise you that nobody in Kansas City would trade the Lombardi trophy for draft picks or cap space (which is mostly a myth anyway).

[DCOrange]

I would definitely rather keep him than trade him for an Adams-type package.

 

The Adams-type package was a great return for the Jets though, and if we absolutely had to trade Tre for some reason, I would be happy if that were the return.

 

But again, just get the deal done to keep him here and continue building this thing.

[TheElectricCompany]

He's not going anywhere, but since we're in trade fantasyland, let's go with Tre & Josh for Mahomes. Straight up.

[Buffalo Barbarian]

1 hour ago, Estro said:

Its always stuck with me that one of McDermotts first decisions with the Bills was to let Stephon Gilmorexwalk in FA.  As far as I understand the Bills didn't even extend an offer to Gilmore, and then they used their 1st tound pick that yr to srlect White.  I always thought that McDermott might be a coach who doesn't like to overpay at the CB position as his defenses seem yo perform well without having lock down CB's.

 

It would definitely hurt to lose a player of Whites caliber short term, but what if the Bills could return a bounty like the Jets got for Adams.  IMO, White is a more valuable player than Adams so I don't think a similar trade package is crazy.

 

Like I said White is a great player, but hes also going to command about $20M a yr. soon.......and I just don't think its good business to spend that type of money on any 1 player, outside of a good QB.  Id much rather have the $20M in cap space plus two 1st rounders, plus an avg. starting CB if a trade were to go down.

 

I have a feeling it won't be well received on this forum, but I think it'd be a smart move.  I think the Bills would still have a really good roster and with the extra cap space (by not signing White) and the extra draft capital (two 1st round picks) would be a lot more valuable than just 1 CB in Tre White.

 

Depends on the offer

[machine gun kelly]

1 minute ago, RiotAct said:

No, unless it was for like five first-round picks.

I'm more like 10 Riot.  This is the exact position this organization took for all of those 17 years of a nightmare where we traded away players and our draft picks were crap thereafter.  Remember Clements, Winfield, Lynch, J. Peters, and I can keep going.  We develop a Star, and we blow it because we think we are so smart meaning the previous moronic administrations for 17 long and dreadful years Watching us lose.

 

Estro were you around when we had Knox as coach and we went after a dreadful 70’s and wasted OJ, to win the AFCE, amd then came out of the same thinking when Polian was given the nod and we held onto our stars not only in the SB years, but after free agency started in 93, we kept the gang together and went to the playoffs again in the late 90’s.  Had we kept Flutie at the helm, we should have beaten the Titans with the #1 defense, and maybe could have been playing the Rams for the SB.  

 

This is exactly the thinking that kept us in the desert for over a decade and a half.  A ProBowl CB who is on the ascension you don’t blow.  He’ll, he’s our best and not even close player on the team, and one of the best in the league.  You don’t blow that.  The argument on the Pats letting Chandler Jones go, you forgot they still had Brady, Gronk, Edelman in his prime, a good O Line, and a heck of a defense.  It’s not even close.  Estro, I know you’re just floating and maybe you’re not as old as some of us, maybe you are, but this es exactly what placed us in a mess.  Besides, we won’t ina million years even if he does opt out even remotely consider this option.

 

Its like “hey we should go after Rodger”, or someone that would Never be released.  Ok I’m done.  I thought you were just floating, but you’re sticking to it so Hell no.

[Rk_Bills86]

The Adam's trade is no where near the same situation and shouldn't be considered something you can put in the same context.

 

On one hand you have Tre who is one of the best CBs in the league, playing in a system he is amazing in. Currently under a rookie contract - with our salary being managed by someone that can look more than 1 year into the future. We have a coach that the players love, a new but growing winning culture. Tre likes his coaches, the system, and his teammates. Yes he is looking to get paid, but isn't making that the forefront of his conversations.

 

On the other hand you have Adam's who is an excellent safety, one of the better ones in the league, but it's unclear on if he is as good as everyone makes him out to be. Not to mention the belief that his value lays in being  a "box" safety. He was on a losing team, that has a coach that many players are not on board with, with a front office that continues to show incompetency similar to what we were used to. He was disgruntled, and verbal about it. If he was a player in a smaller market, I doubt he'd be valued as highly. I'm clearly in the group that thinks he was over valued in the trade, and he is probably not worth a record breaking contract.

 

The point i'm trying to make is, he's good - but he's no Minkah Fitzpatrick - who I think is not only better currently, but will actually continue to improve.

 

The only wrench to the whole thing regarding paying Tre is the idea that the cap might be much lower next year (Due to Covid-19). However, I imagine a lot of teams will look at the Mahomes deal, and use large extension deals with money loaded to appropriate years to help offset any issues.  

[Dragoon]

He’ll never be Tre to me, I call him “Not Mahomes.” 

[First Round Bust]

one thought I had after listening to Tre mention the family issue- being  that he is from La a trade to the NO Saints with a twist

 

trade him for one this year only to the Saints for a 2nd round pick and then after the season but before the start of the NFL season 2021 his rights revert back to the Bills

 

Bills get a pick and cap room, Tre plays and comes back to the Bills, not gonna happen but I wonder why not...flame on beotches....

[BillnutinHouston]

46 minutes ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said:

It's probably obvious. What self-righteous response do you have queued up?

Easy there.  I'm curious whether the OP came up with the idea of trading Tre as a "smart football decision" or if it was retaliatory.

 

Other than the timing of the post, I can't tell.  Can you?

 

No judgements here, just curious.  

 

[Beast]

9 minutes ago, TheElectricCompany said:

He's not going anywhere, but since we're in trade fantasyland, let's go with Tre & Josh for Mahomes. Straight up.

 

The ironic thing is, isn't that basically what we ended up with by trading with KC so they could take Mahomes?

[machine gun kelly]

Except Beast we would have had a 7th or later pick if we didn’t end up for trading up for Josh.  It’s all hindsight and I love Mahomes, but it didn’t happen and sour grapes.

[BornAgainBillsFan]

1 hour ago, HappyDays said:

Every time someone talks about trading a top tier player for draft picks, I think of this:

 

 

Ah, but what if the mystery box cost 1/10 of a boat AND it could still be a boat???

 

[MAJBobby]

Jesus here we go.

 

Tre White - I am still deciding if I am going to OPT out.

 

Two Bills Drive - Thread gets made about trading Tre White.

[CorkScrewHill]

49 minutes ago, Estro said:

 

Like when the Patriots traded Chandler Jones, a dominant pass rusher, in the height of their dynasty and went on to win another Super Bowl after the trade

That is an interesting counter point, but I think that is a rare occurrence (I cannot find another like comparison). There was also some belief in the Pats org at the time that he took too many plays off. Tre is a consummate team guy. Now once the player is older.. I agree that it makes sense to move on.

[Kirby Jackson]

I’ll play along (even though i voted no). If I were Beane I’d be starting with 2 1sts, a 3rd and a player from a bad NFC team that likely picks in the top 10 (Washington, Giants, Panthers). The Adams trade brought back a lot but it was the equivalent of the 8th pick and a player. A top CB should bring back more. Let’s say that the average draft pick for those 3 teams over the next 2 years is pick 8. Obviously that can change and there’s risk but that’s the risk that you take. You’d be looking at 2 top 10 picks plus your own 2 1sts over the next 2 years. You’d avoid making Tre the highest paid CB ever and can allocate that money elsewhere. Some players that I’d be looking at from those teams (in no particular order): Ronald Darby, Antonio Gibson, Ross Pierschbacher, Ryan Anderson, Fabian Moreau, Darnay Holmes, Xavier McKinney, Darius Slayton, Kyler Fackrell, Evan Engram, Jeremy Chinn,  Donte Jackson, and Curtis Samuel. Clearly these guys have different values but it gives you an idea of what we have in mind. 
 

If I were to consider it (still wouldn’t but):

- Tre and a 4th for 2 1sts, a 3rd, Ronald Darby & Antonio Gibson

- Tre and a 7th for 2 1sts, 3rd & Evan Engram

- Tre & Marlowe for 2 1sts, a 5th and Jeremy Chinn

[Nelius]

No, I would not at all be cool with letting this devolve into a trade situation. He's not unhappy, he's just considering opting out of a likely plague-shortened season.

 

 

[PetermansRedemption]

I don’t think there’s a player on this team other than Allen that I don’t think long and hard about trading for 2 1sts and a 3rd

[machine gun kelly]

From the academy Award winning movie Roadhouse, Wesley (Ben Gazzara) to Dalton (Swayze), “how about you come workin for me Dalton, reply,  There is no amount of money”.  Sorry just saw a week ago or so early in the am on AMC.  Hokey movie, but it’s like a car crash, you keep watching when you’re bored before the gym.

[MAJBobby]

And I would pay Tre before I would pay ANY OTHER player on this team at THIS point in time.

[SCBills]

1 minute ago, PetermansRedemption said:

I don’t think there’s a player on this team other than Allen that I don’t think long and hard about trading for 2 1sts and a 3rd

 

Diggs and Edmunds are up there for me. 

 

Diggs is a proven, top 10 caliber WR, who will be in his prime for years to come.  He also plays a premium position and there's no guarantee 2-1sts get you a Diggs.

 

Edmunds is a bit different as a LB... but i truly think he could be transcendent once it all clicks... What he can bring to the defense at his size and speed is absurd.  In passing downs the guy can either rush the passer or drop and basically take away the entire middle of the field.

[Logic]

Absolutely not.

 

Corner is a premium position. You don’t trade away 24-year-old All-Pros at premium positions. 

 

Tre is a model teammate, model citizen, and elite player. He should be a Bill for life.

[Just Joshin']

23 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

And I would pay Tre before I would pay ANY OTHER player on this team at THIS point in time.

But, but, but the salary cap..............But, but, but you need more lottery tickets, not great players.........

 

You are 100% correct - build the D around him and Edmunds.

Edited August 6, 2020 by Just Joshin'

[PromoTheRobot]

How about no? Why give up the best player at his position for a lottery ticket?

[C.Biscuit97]

It’s crazy to think of at this time but the more you think about it, it’s not that crazy.  White is a top3 at worst cb who is super cheap.  He’s about to get really expensive.  This is the easy part of building a team because everyone is cheap.  Everyone is about to become more expensive.  
 

white would far and away bring the most back.  If you could get as much back as Seattle gave, it’s kinda interesting.  Especially because the one thing I am most confident in this regime is their ability to evaluate d backs.  I think McDermott might be the best secondary developer in the nfl.  I would be confident in them finding a replacement.

 

this won’t happen and I love Tre.  But if he sits out, he is a year closer to payday and isn’t helping you anyways.  But I won’t hate if they didn’t ask around to see what he could bring back.  

54 minutes ago, Dragoon said:

He’ll never be Tre to me, I call him “Not Mahomes.” 

It’s sucks because Tre’s awesome.  But he’s not a QB.  A star qb is like the only position that you can’t trade.

1 hour ago, TheElectricCompany said:

He's not going anywhere, but since we're in trade fantasyland, let's go with Tre & Josh for Mahomes. Straight up.

KC will totally be down for this after Allen wins the throw off!

[marky]

29 minutes ago, CorkScrewHill said:

That is an interesting counter point, but I think that is a rare occurrence (I cannot find another like comparison). There was also some belief in the Pats org at the time that he took too many plays off. Tre is a consummate team guy. Now once the player is older.. I agree that it makes sense to move on.

 

The Patriots won 3 Superbowls. Same QB, same HC who was also the GM. Nothing to prove. Their team identity was over a decade old. Jones was on an option year and showed up to work ODing on drugs. To win those 3 Superbowls, Bledsoe really held that team back. Changing plays in the huddle, making mistakes. They had a great roster because Bledsoe made them draft higher for over a decade.

 

Bills are still proving themselves, building an identity. So far they have Josh Allen running downfield getting hit, and the defense keeping everything in front of them opportune to other team's mistakes. They need more players right now not less.

[Irv]

38 minutes ago, machine gun kelly said:

From the academy Award winning movie Roadhouse, Wesley (Ben Gazzara) to Dalton (Swayze), “how about you come workin for me Dalton, reply,  There is no amount of money”.  Sorry just saw a week ago or so early in the am on AMC.  Hokey movie, but it’s like a car crash, you keep watching when you’re bored before the gym.

 

Pain don't hurt Mijo.

 

So let's break this down. 

1. Draft a guy in the first who you hope will be great on the field, in the locker room, and the community. Check.
2. He is great on the field.  Check
3. He is great in the locker room.  Check.
4. He is great in the community. Check
5. Trade him

 This board never ceases to amaze me.

 

     

Edited August 6, 2020 by Irv

[buffalostu2]

He's a zone corner, a good player, but still a zone corner.   I'd take two first rounders for him but only when his contract is up

[machine gun kelly]

Biscuit, I understand you’re position, and reasoned, but he’s not a year closer to payday.  If he doesn’t have valid medical condition proven by a doctor, then his year is void, meaning not a year closer to end of rookie contract.  He starts 2021 with only three years in his back and then just pushes off his 4th year to 2021, and then we already placed the 5th year option on him so if we exercise he’s now another year from an extension.

 

Its as if the year didn’t happen.  I don’t know his medical and don’t want to know it, but nothing has come out he has a medical condition like Star with the heart problem where credited.  2021 is the mirror of now.  His call and his right to do it, but he gains no advantage by doing it.

[brianthomas]

If the Bills did anything, they should give him a new contract now, with added bonuses to this year, to compensate him for the added risk in playing & to encourage him to play.

That's what you do with one of your best players. You don't trade him (like the Jests would), while Tre is on the fence about opting out. Seems to me that trading Tre would be antithetical to how Beane operates... even just thinking about it seems backwards, but jmo.