DrDawkinstein Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 2 minutes ago, Paup 1995MVP said: Ownership will always have the final say on a trade of this magnitude. But maybe the Texans don't love Desean Watson as much as a lot of you posters do. I think he is a talent, but the Bills absolutely wrecked him in both games we played them under McDermott. One terrible missed tackle in OT and lousy offense cost us more then anything in the playoff game. But it would be interesting to see what kind of a trade offer New England or any other team would offer the Texans for Watson. (Makes the offseason a whole lot more interesting) And for you older posters how about when Commissioner Bowie Kuhn would not allow Oakland A's owner Charlie Finley to sell off his great players from the 1970's Oakland A's because he was short on cash? That was something. He invoked his power for the "best interests of the game". And those A's teams who I believe won 3 staight world series from 72-74 were as talented a baseball team as any I can remember that excelled for more then one year, that I can remember. Awesome uniforms, mustaches and talent. Anyone know their entire starting lineup including their starting pitchers and relievers? I was in elementary school then. And I remember most of them. Yall keep saying this, but no one can tell me what they mean or how so. And I think it's an incorrect assumption, if the GM/HC is already on his way out, but currently has the power to deal. WRT the A's, if I remember my baseball cards correctly Rollie Fingers and Reggie Jackson were definitely there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBills1998 Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 I say bull#### on this. No way are the Texans that stupid to trade their QB away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJB Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 Conspiracy theory. Bob trades Watson to Pat's. Gets fired. And hired in NE? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 The dude single handedly won that playoff game for them against the Bills. He put the team on his back and willed them to victory. It would be epically dumb to trade him. But I thought the same about Hopkins... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 3 hours ago, Sherlock Holmes said: @Virgil well here's your medicine... looks like we won't have to intervene Not happening IMO. They don’t have the cap for what he’ll want to get paid. It’s draft and develop for them most likely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Thrill Posted March 25, 2020 Author Share Posted March 25, 2020 6 minutes ago, Virgil said: Not happening IMO. They don’t have the cap for what he’ll want to get paid. It’s draft and develop for them most likely It’s a huge long shot but it’s interesting how many media outlets are picking up on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 I will go out on a limb and say the McNair (owner of Texans) has heard about this rumor and has made his thoughts known. Stop with the rouge BoB stuff. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KGun12TD Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 3 hours ago, Shaw66 said: Who in their right mind would trade Watson? o’Brian = hold my beer! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 Just to clarify. The hypothetical for this is that, rumors have been circulating for a few weeks/day/whatever about HOU trading Watson to NE. and either: 1. Ownership has not broached the subject (which would be wild) with BOB, but would be so upset if it in fact did happen, if they could have any legal recourse? or 2. Ownership has smacked this down, and BOB goes ahead and does this behind their back? Can ownership then veto or cancel this trade? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 2 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said: Yall keep saying this, but no one can tell me what they mean or how so. And I think it's an incorrect assumption, if the GM/HC is already on his way out, but currently has the power to deal. WRT the A's, if I remember my baseball cards correctly Rollie Fingers and Reggie Jackson were definitely there. Are you asking could BOB call the Pats, come to an agreement, and fax all the paperwork without the owner’s catching wind of what is happening? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 2 minutes ago, Mango said: Just to clarify. The hypothetical for this is that, rumors have been circulating for a few weeks/day/whatever about HOU trading Watson to NE. and either: 1. Ownership has not broached the subject (which would be wild) with BOB, but would be so upset if it in fact did happen, if they could have any legal recourse? or 2. Ownership has smacked this down, and BOB goes ahead and does this behind their back? Can ownership then veto or cancel this trade? Yep, that was what I was trying to figure out in the first few pages of this thread. 1 minute ago, FireChans said: Are you asking could BOB call the Pats, come to an agreement, and fax all the paperwork without the owner’s catching wind of what is happening? I was originally asking that, and we've already determined that part is very possible (without knowing the exact authority he's been given through his contract). My next questions were, if he was able to pull that off, what could the league or owners do to reverse it once it was done? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 Just now, DrDawkinstein said: Yep, that was what I was trying to figure out in the first few pages of this thread. I was originally asking that, and we've already determined that part is very possible (without knowing the exact authority he's been given through his contract). My next questions were, if he was able to pull that off, what could the league or owners do to reverse it once it was done? I would suspect the Texans would sure the league and investigate for collusion. In which they would probably win. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 (edited) So, he is going there as a "volunteer" ? Because the Pats can't pay him. ? . Edited March 25, 2020 by B-Man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Holmes Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 1 hour ago, Virgil said: Not happening IMO. They don’t have the cap for what he’ll want to get paid. It’s draft and develop for them most likely They were speculating next year is when it would happen right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 6 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: Yep, that was what I was trying to figure out in the first few pages of this thread. I was originally asking that, and we've already determined that part is very possible (without knowing the exact authority he's been given through his contract). My next questions were, if he was able to pull that off, what could the league or owners do to reverse it once it was done? Situation 1. Not in a million years did this happen. National rumors of trading your franchise QB without so much as a text message to check in on that, positive or negative. There is no owner, CEO, President, etc. who are not following up on this without some communication, with a follow up summarizing what was said if it was not already via email Situation 2. Also never going to happen. Any ownership that has already knocked this down has done so in writing. This would not only be a career ending decision, but would also probably result in a civil suit that would leave BOB and his family homeless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuvian Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 CBS shouldn't float garbage like this. It's about as likely as an alien smoke ring over Denver 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted March 26, 2020 Share Posted March 26, 2020 If Bill O'Brien really trades Watson, it shows he has a serious professional death wish. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Joshin' Posted March 26, 2020 Share Posted March 26, 2020 Does anybody believe this is remotely possible? I guess a good message board topic but that is as far as it goes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted March 26, 2020 Share Posted March 26, 2020 4 minutes ago, Just Joshin' said: Does anybody believe this is remotely possible? I guess a good message board topic but that is as far as it goes. No. I understand the battered wife syndrome demands we invent new ways for NE* to remaining endlessly dominant, but no one is trading a top 10 QB to Belichick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 26, 2020 Share Posted March 26, 2020 If the Texans give the patriots a franchise qb I will hate them for all time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fr. Jerk Posted March 26, 2020 Share Posted March 26, 2020 11 hours ago, Shaw66 said: Who in their right mind would trade Watson? And within the same conference. I mean, if O'Brien wants to get fired... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted March 26, 2020 Share Posted March 26, 2020 10 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said: Let's assume for a minute that the conspiracy theory is true: Texans get off to a slow start and BOB finds himself on the hotseat early. As we approach the trade deadline (late Oct), BOB trades Watson to the Pats (even for a 1st). BOB is fired from Houston. Can Houston Ownership petition the league to annul the trade? Is there any precedent for the NFL stepping in and stopping trades? Let alone reversing them? there is precedent for the league not doing anything to the Pats***. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted March 26, 2020 Share Posted March 26, 2020 The Texans would be stupid to trade the most valuable asset type in football (a franchise QB on a rookie contract.) But hypothetically if Watson wants out and they have to trade him I would think there are so many teams that could present a better offer. The Patriots best offer would be picks 23, 87, 98, 100, and 125 in the 2020 draft along with their 2021 and 2022 first round picks. Which is a solid offer of picks but I would much rather take picks 5, 18, and 26 and a first in 2021 from Miami in exchange for Watson. The imitate impact of those three first along with still pocketing a future first is far greater than one late first and a few third round picks. I also think that other teams like Jacksonville could offer picks 9, 42, and 73 along with their first and second round picks in 2021 and a second in 2022. The Patriots just don't have the ammo to really win a bidding war even if they were willing to include 2 future first round picks in such a deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreboding Posted March 26, 2020 Share Posted March 26, 2020 Please not this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted March 26, 2020 Share Posted March 26, 2020 9 hours ago, KD in CA said: No. I understand the battered wife syndrome demands we invent new ways for NE* to remaining endlessly dominant, but no one is trading a top 10 QB to Belichick. A little bit of battered fan syndrome, but mostly 2-weeks-of-no-sports-and-being-stuck-in-the-house syndrome 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted March 26, 2020 Share Posted March 26, 2020 19 hours ago, Sherlock Holmes said: Bill O'Brien and Doug Marrone He said who in their “right” mind. That eliminates O’Brien off the bat. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted March 26, 2020 Share Posted March 26, 2020 19 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said: I'm tryin! I know Im splitting hairs, but Im on Day 14 of quarantine and really bored. Plus, Im interested in how this all works behind the scenes. And whether we can simply dismiss ideas like this. Surpisingly, I havent been able to find anyone who can tell me "NO this isnt possible because ownership must sign off". And the more I pry, the more it looks like he totally could make that trade if he wanted and didnt care about keeping his job. It's a business - they all operate differently. The team president or owner may give total control, or they may not - there may be more of a collaborative effort in some teams than others. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted March 26, 2020 Share Posted March 26, 2020 No chance of this ever happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BananaSquad Posted March 26, 2020 Share Posted March 26, 2020 I think Deshaun is getting a little nervous he might get exposed without Hopkins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted March 26, 2020 Share Posted March 26, 2020 On 3/25/2020 at 12:20 PM, Phil The Thrill said: Take this for what you will but many have speculated that DeShaun Watson will force his way out of Houston and end up on the Patriots. It started with this tweet: This led to a number of outlets talking about whether it could happen: Deshaun Watson trade rumors: Here's what a hypothetical Texans-Patriots deal could look like https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/deshaun-watson-trade-rumors-heres-what-a-hypothetical-texans-patriots-deal-could-look-like/ https://nesn.com/2020/03/patriots-fans-lose-their-minds-over-deshaun-watsons-cryptic-tweet/ Personally the only way this is possible is of New England completely bottoms out this season. They can’t afford Watson this year who would likely want a new contract after a trade. So in 2021, it would likely tape a crap load of draft picks and money to bring Watson to New England. That’s only after he plays some serious hard ball by holding out. They can if they trade Gilmore and a pick or 2 or some other package. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted March 26, 2020 Share Posted March 26, 2020 On 3/25/2020 at 12:27 PM, DFT said: Good post! I don’t think there’s much to this, but all bets are off with O’Brien. It wouldn’t be nearly as impossible as the cap restriction shows (at first glance), however. It would need to involve top-end contracts like Gilmore’s, and of course Thuney (nearly 15 mil on tag). It would take some finagling, but anything is possible. I just sincerely doubt it will happen. A 1st and the inclusion of Gilmore/ Thuney should allow, but again, a much greater mind than mine is also needed... If anybody would be stupid enough to trade away a proven franchise QB still on his rookie deal, it would be O'Brien. Of course, with O'Brien sending so many key players off to other teams for the equivalent of well used athletic equipment, maybe Watson has informed the team that he wants out, too, although Watson doesn't strike me as that kind of player. He seems to be a "team guy" but then, even "team guys" can reach their limits. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted March 26, 2020 Share Posted March 26, 2020 (edited) I don't understand how anyone sees this as a rumor? Some random dude made a wishful photoshop of him in a Pats jersey and people took that as a real Watson to Pats rumor? So if I go make a George Kittle pic in a Bills jersey, does that make it a rumor he might land here too? Oh the internet...5 pagers dedicated to some dude sitting in his underwear with his laptop making make believe pictures has the sports world a buzz lol Edited March 26, 2020 by Alphadawg7 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted March 26, 2020 Share Posted March 26, 2020 (edited) 15 hours ago, Just Joshin' said: Does anybody believe this is remotely possible? I guess a good message board topic but that is as far as it goes. Did anybody really think that Brady would be playing for any team other than the Patriots in 2020 when the possibility was first raised last year? Would Houston ownership actually approve trading Watson? He/she/they not only fired the previous GM and named BOB the new GM but then approved trading Hopkins for next to nothing, so why wouldn't he/she/they approve trading Watson for next to nothing plus 1? Nothing that's transpired since BOB was named GM suggests that the Houston owner(s) are competent to decide what he/she/they want for dinner much less have any idea of how an NFL football team is supposed to run. Edited March 26, 2020 by SoTier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacklabel Posted March 26, 2020 Share Posted March 26, 2020 Tinfoil hat stuff for sure. Watson's probably bummed about the Hopkins trade but his tweet reads like song lyrics. I don't know what in the blue eff Bill O'Brien is trying to do to that team. I think ownership will regret giving him so much control. Is he trying to sabotage his own career? Because if he makes a trade like that, he ain't ever again gonna get the keys to the GM office and likely the HC office as well. Wouldn't be able to be trusted to do what's best for whichever team he was with. Dude strikes me as an arrogant, egotistical, know-it-all blowhard with a bunghole for a chin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted March 26, 2020 Share Posted March 26, 2020 (edited) On 3/25/2020 at 12:39 PM, mattynh said: Hey, the Bills traded Mahomes.....anything is possible Evidently New England-style bending of truth is in vogue in NH. Obviously from that logic Bills traded T*m Br*dy to P*ts. Edited March 26, 2020 by Limeaid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted March 26, 2020 Share Posted March 26, 2020 16 minutes ago, blacklabel said: Tinfoil hat stuff for sure. Watson's probably bummed about the Hopkins trade but his tweet reads like song lyrics. I don't know what in the blue eff Bill O'Brien is trying to do to that team. I think ownership will regret giving him so much control. Is he trying to sabotage his own career? Because if he makes a trade like that, he ain't ever again gonna get the keys to the GM office and likely the HC office as well. Wouldn't be able to be trusted to do what's best for whichever team he was with. Dude strikes me as an arrogant, egotistical, know-it-all blowhard with a bunghole for a chin. Far be it for me to ever defend BOB, but we all said the same thing last offseason with his mad wheeling and dealing, and they had a pretty successful year. So who knows. Agreed, it sure seems nuts. But so far, it's worked out for him. Which is crazy as well. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted March 26, 2020 Share Posted March 26, 2020 3 minutes ago, Limeaid said: Evidently New England-style bending of truth is in vogue in NH. Obviously from that logic Bills traded T*m Br*dy to P*ts. sarcasm...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 26, 2020 Share Posted March 26, 2020 I'll be glad when in about 6 months time, when the Cheaters' reign of terror is over, we'll never have to read these rumors again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zerovoltz Posted March 26, 2020 Share Posted March 26, 2020 Watson is a good QB. .....Might not be a popular take...but he just dropped several spots in my mind for sending out a cryptic rhyme. Either come and and clearly state publicly that you think the direction of the team is BS....or do it privately....don't be a passive agressive baby and do it this way. Same with Cam Newton. Are these guys in Jr. High still? Approach this like a man! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreboding Posted March 26, 2020 Share Posted March 26, 2020 On 3/25/2020 at 1:27 PM, Mango said: Unpopular opinion alert Honestly, I will be pissed if this happened and Buffalo did not at leastt inquire. Josh might be better down the line, but Watson is a stud right now at a similar age. This is a SB team with Watson right now. I would trade Josh and a 1st in a heart beat. Watson is a baller. Always has been and always will be. I was surprised people doubted him after what he did at Clemson. Seems unimaginable the owner would let B O'B get rid of him. Though I would have thought the same of Nuke. He is the best WR and they shucked him out. So dumb. To get Watson, I would think 3 first round picks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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