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Deshaun Watson To Patriots Rumours Begin To Swirl

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4 minutes ago, djp14150 said:

why would Houston do this?

 

"Houston" wouldnt. I've already explained why people think BOB as GM would.

4 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said:

 

So Bob has more power than Janice McNair?

 

Do the owners need to sign off on every move a GM makes? Like literally sign a paper? Or do they have autonomy to do what they want?

 

BOB is GM and HC, so Id argue that he has a LOT of power right now. Power granted to him, and so far allowed, by Janice McNair.

 

Quoting myself, asking for a friend:

4 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

Let's assume for a minute that the conspiracy theory is true:

 

Texans get off to a slow start and BOB finds himself on the hotseat early.

As we approach the trade deadline (late Oct), BOB trades Watson to the Pats (even for a 1st).

BOB is fired from Houston.

BOB gets a job with New England

 

Can Houston Ownership petition the league to annul the trade? Is there any precedent for the NFL stepping in and stopping trades? Let alone reversing them?

 

I feel like that is something @YoloinOhio or @Kirby Jackson would know...

 

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Phil. Are you British?

 

 

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5 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

Let's assume for a minute that the conspiracy theory is true:

 

Texans get off to a slow start and BOB finds himself on the hotseat early.

As we approach the trade deadline (late Oct), BOB trades Watson to the Pats (even for a 1st).

BOB is fired from Houston.

 

Can Houston Ownership petition the league to annul the trade? Is there any precedent for the NFL stepping in and stopping trades? Let alone reversing them?

I would hope so...that should finally bring the ban hammer to the entire Pats organization including Brady but not Gronk... Barred from football and HoF forever and stripped of all accomplishments

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I can’t even imagine the draft capital it would take for NE to get Watson away from Houston.  It would have to be at least 3 1st rounders plus...

 

No shot.

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6 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

I think he died.  
 

but I think one thing everyone can agree is how the Texans (should be the Oilers, the Buffalo NeW Yorkers) let Bill O’Brien ruin a team with some of the best young talent in the nfl.  Gave away Clowney (overrated but it was a joke trade), gave away Hopkins for an over the hill and expensive rb, and spent 2 1sts on an OT.  Might as well give Watson away to finish the job. 


Oh jeez, I didn’t realize he died like two years ago! Thanks. 

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9 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

"Houston" wouldnt. I've already explained why people think BOB as GM would.

 

Do the owners need to sign off on every move a GM makes? Like literally sign a paper? Or do they have autonomy to do what they want?

 

BOB is GM and HC, so Id argue that he has a LOT of power right now. Power granted to him, and so far allowed, by Janice McNair.

 

Quoting myself, asking for a friend:

 

I feel like that is something @YoloinOhio or @Kirby Jackson would know...

 

I don’t know but I doubt it. The good news is that Houston ownership likely has to sign off on that deal. I’m pretty confident that ownership wouldn’t allow a lame duck coach to trade away the franchise QB. 

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5 minutes ago, Johnny Hammersticks said:

I can’t even imagine the draft capital it would take for NE to get Watson away from Houston.  It would have to be at least 3 1st rounders plus...

 

No shot.

 

Like what it would take to get Hopkins?

 

And again, most of this rumor is based on the idea that BOB is about to get fired and go to NE himself. As GM, he can ask for whatever he wants.

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They're not going to trade him.  Obrien gets fired before ownership lets him trade watson. 

 

Also - he posted song lyrics as an immediate response to a friend getting traded.  Its an emotional response but i don't think he like pissed anyone off by stating it. 

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1 minute ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I don’t know but I doubt it. The good news is that Houston ownership likely has to sign off on that deal. I’m pretty confident that ownership wouldn’t allow a lame duck coach to trade away the franchise QB. 

 

Yeah, that's a part of what I'm wondering and truly dont know. Do owners have to literally sign paperwork to file with the league in order to make trades happen? Or can GMs basically do what they want?

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Just now, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Yeah, that's a part of what I'm wondering and truly dont know. Do owners have to literally sign paperwork to file with the league in order to make trades happen? Or can GMs basically do what they want?

 

One would think they would be made aware if the franchise QB was being moved.  

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16 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

Let's assume for a minute that the conspiracy theory is true:

 

Texans get off to a slow start and BOB finds himself on the hotseat early.

As we approach the trade deadline (late Oct), BOB trades Watson to the Pats (even for a 1st).

BOB is fired from Houston.

 

Can Houston Ownership petition the league to annul the trade? Is there any precedent for the NFL stepping in and stopping trades? Let alone reversing them?

 

Or the owner group could just tell him not to trade Watson or you're fired.

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3 minutes ago, dneveu said:

 

One would think they would be made aware if the franchise QB was being moved.  

 

1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Or the owner group could just tell him not to trade Watson or you're fired.

 

So we know for certain there is some sort of check in place on any/all trades GMs want to make?

 

And for WEO, my premise is based on the assumption BOB is already on the hotseat at that point and assumes he is going to be fired either way.

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the owner would have to step in with this there is just no way you do this

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6 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

 

So we know for certain there is some sort of check in place on any/all trades GMs want to make?

 

And for WEO, my premise is based on the assumption BOB is already on the hotseat at that point and assumes he is going to be fired either way.

 

 

There is no way the NFL would nullify a proper trade.  An owner can make any such decision.  It the trade is made, the owner can't say he didn't want it after completed.

 

If the owner is against the trade, there is no trade.  The GM can't trade if the owner says no.

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44 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:

Who in their right mind would trade Watson?   

 

Have you met Bill O'Brien? 

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43 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:

Who in their right mind would trade Watson?   


Precisely. I expect this to happen.

 

 

It makes sense for BOB. Trade Watson, get fired midseason, go to Ne to replace McDaniels and become the heir apparent!

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10 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

 

So we know for certain there is some sort of check in place on any/all trades GMs want to make?

 

And for WEO, my premise is based on the assumption BOB is already on the hotseat at that point and assumes he is going to be fired either way.

 

GM reports to someone.  I also feel like you would need approval of like.. at least one of these guys below or the owner.  They probably went through with the hopkins move for a few reasons - cap space for one, and hopkins may have been more of a problem than they are letting on.  Who knows.  But there's a 0% chance they trade him.  Why create future cap space for watson only to trade him.  It doesn't make sense.  

 

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36 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

That's the point. If the Texans have a bad year, and BOB finds himself on the hotseat, he'll trade Watson to the Pats, and then go work for the Pats next year.

 NOT with BB in charge he won't.....

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30 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

Can Houston Ownership petition the league to annul the trade? Is there any precedent for the NFL stepping in and stopping trades? Let alone reversing them?

 

Houston ownership would step in before any Watson trade would occur.    Next...

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2 minutes ago, Kwai San said:

 NOT with BB in charge he won't.....

 

Could very well be BB's last year as well. They move McDaniels to HC, and BOB to OC.

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Personally, I think Belichick is going to try and develop another mid round QB (either Stidham or someone they draft in the 2nd, 3rd, etc. maybe late 1st at best). I think he might want to prove that he doesn’t need a QB that was a top 10 pick in the draft to win. It would cement his legacy if he’s able to develop another mid/late round QB and continue winning. 

 

I also don’t see them tanking. It would destroy that whole “patriot way” culture he’s built (where everyone is asked to sacrifice whatever it takes to win) and people would be saying “see, Brady Was the reason for the dynasty!”.

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1 minute ago, Lurker said:

 

Houston ownership would step in before any Watson trade would occur.    Next...

 

I'm waiting for someone to give a definitive answer that ownership is always involved in every trade made in the NFL.

 

So far, everyone here has said "I'd think", or "I feel", or the like. No one has been able to tell me "Yes, when a GM files a trade with the league, there is a paper the owner needs to sign to approve it".

 

For all we know, GMs have the authority to wheel and deal autonomously.

7 minutes ago, dneveu said:

 

GM reports to someone.  I also feel like you would need approval of like.. at least one of these guys below or the owner. 

 

 

I feel like that too, but so far we havent received that confirmation from anyone who definitely knows.

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19 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Yeah, that's a part of what I'm wondering and truly dont know. Do owners have to literally sign paperwork to file with the league in order to make trades happen? Or can GMs basically do what they want?


Technically the person who has contractually been given control of the roster has the authority to do as they please.  Some teams don’t have anyone with that.  Dallas, for instance, where Jerruh is the GM.  I’m sure there are others.  The big caveat is that in the vast majority of cases the person with roster control is expected to consult with ownership before major or controversial moves.  Big trades of important players and/or picks are sure on that list.  Adding a player with DV incidents is another example.  But that’s on a team by team basis.  Every team would have its own rules.

 

Trading away the starting QB and face of the franchise would have to be cleared by ownership in basically every case if it’s not something that the GM contractually has to do.  Otherwise that GM would be treading into some seriously dangerous territory.  I’m not sure what constitutes firing an NFL coach with just cause (so the contract can be terminated rather than paid out), but an owner might be looking to see if something the HC did qualifies if he’s pulling crap like that without approval. 

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