Phil The Thrill Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 Take this for what you will but many have speculated that DeShaun Watson will force his way out of Houston and end up on the Patriots. It started with this tweet: This led to a number of outlets talking about whether it could happen: Deshaun Watson trade rumors: Here's what a hypothetical Texans-Patriots deal could look like https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/deshaun-watson-trade-rumors-heres-what-a-hypothetical-texans-patriots-deal-could-look-like/ https://nesn.com/2020/03/patriots-fans-lose-their-minds-over-deshaun-watsons-cryptic-tweet/ Personally the only way this is possible is of New England completely bottoms out this season. They can’t afford Watson this year who would likely want a new contract after a trade. So in 2021, it would likely tape a crap load of draft picks and money to bring Watson to New England. That’s only after he plays some serious hard ball by holding out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DFT Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 Good post! I don’t think there’s much to this, but all bets are off with O’Brien. It wouldn’t be nearly as impossible as the cap restriction shows (at first glance), however. It would need to involve top-end contracts like Gilmore’s, and of course Thuney (nearly 15 mil on tag). It would take some finagling, but anything is possible. I just sincerely doubt it will happen. A 1st and the inclusion of Gilmore/ Thuney should allow, but again, a much greater mind than mine is also needed... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 Who in their right mind would trade Watson? 5 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Holmes Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 7 minutes ago, Phil The Thrill said: Take this for what you will but many have speculated that DeShaun Watson will force his way out of Houston and end up on the Patriots. It started with this tweet: This led to a number of outlets talking about whether it could happen: Deshaun Watson trade rumors: Here's what a hypothetical Texans-Patriots deal could look like https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/deshaun-watson-trade-rumors-heres-what-a-hypothetical-texans-patriots-deal-could-look-like/ https://nesn.com/2020/03/patriots-fans-lose-their-minds-over-deshaun-watsons-cryptic-tweet/ Personally the only way this is possible is of New England completely bottoms out this season. They can’t afford Watson this year who would likely want a new contract after a trade. So in 2021, it would likely tape a crap load of draft picks and money to bring Watson to New England. That’s only after he plays some serious hard ball by holding out. @Virgil well here's your medicine... looks like we won't have to intervene Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 (edited) Yeah but will Jarred Stidham give up #4? That is the true question. Edited March 25, 2020 by MrEpsYtown 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Holmes Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 Just now, Shaw66 said: Who in their right mind would trade Watson? Bill O'Brien and Doug Marrone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DFT Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 Just now, Shaw66 said: Who in their right mind would trade Watson? (Bill O’Brien has entered the chat...) 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whorlnut Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 1 minute ago, Shaw66 said: Who in their right mind would trade Watson? I think we all know O’Brien is not in his right mind... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Jabber Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 1 minute ago, Shaw66 said: Who in their right mind would trade Watson? O'Brien. Also, I can imagine Watson is P.O.'d that O'Brien traded away Hopkins for next to nothing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 Even the Texans aren't dumb enough to trade Watson to the *Patriots. Relax. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Holmes Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 2 minutes ago, Shaw66 said: Who in their right mind would trade Watson? 1 minute ago, Sherlock Holmes said: Bill O'Brien and Doug Marrone 1 minute ago, DFT said: (Bill O’Brien has entered the chat...) 1 minute ago, whorlnut said: I think we all know O’Brien is not in his right mind... I just realised this was a rhetorical question 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 4 minutes ago, Shaw66 said: Who in their right mind would trade Watson? Bill O’Brien 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DFT Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 3 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said: Even the Texans aren't dumb enough to trade Watson to the *Patriots. Relax. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 5 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said: Yeah but will Jarred Stidham give up #4? That is the true question. Actually Stidham and a 7th round pick will be the trade package for Watson. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 6 minutes ago, Shaw66 said: Who in their right mind would trade Watson? Probably the same person who traded Hopkins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 (edited) This rumor started on the day BOB traded away Hopkins. The idea is that BOB will trade Watson to the Pats closer to the deadline, and when O'Brien is fired from Houston this year, he'll have a job waiting for him in NE. There is a lot of tin-foil hat conspiracy theory in that, but I wouldnt rule out anything when it comes to BOB's bad ideas and the Patriots making their own loophole to landing a top QB. 2 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said: I get that Bob McNair is racist and such, but he would not stand for it. O’Brien trading Watson would result in him being gone imo. Trading a top receiver, while egregious, is nowhere near as bad as moving Watson. Would be straight insanity. That's the point. If the Texans have a bad year, and BOB finds himself on the hotseat, he'll trade Watson to the Pats, and then go work for the Pats next year. Edited March 25, 2020 by DrDawkinstein 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 Hey, the Bills traded Mahomes.....anything is possible 1 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 7 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said: Even the Texans aren't dumb enough to trade Watson to the *Patriots. Relax. The "Texans" arent, but BOB looking for a job next year certainly is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hebert19 Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 9 minutes ago, Jerry Jabber said: O'Brien. Also, I can imagine Watson is P.O.'d that O'Brien traded away Hopkins for next to nothing. O'Brien would get fired before that happens. Owners would appease Watson bot o'Brien. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Holmes Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 10 minutes ago, Shaw66 said: Who in their right mind would trade Watson? 9 minutes ago, DFT said: (Bill O’Brien has entered the chat...) 9 minutes ago, whorlnut said: I think we all know O’Brien is not in his right mind... 8 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said: Even the Texans aren't dumb enough to trade Watson to the *Patriots. Relax. 5 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Bill O’Brien 4 minutes ago, Bangarang said: Probably the same person who traded Hopkins. Bill O'Brien showing how many dumb trades he can make before getting canned. 1. Clowney 2. Hopkins 3. Watson to Pats and JJ Watt to us 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 5 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said: I get that Bob McNair is racist and such, but he would not stand for it. O’Brien trading Watson would result in him being gone imo. Trading a top receiver, while egregious, is nowhere near as bad as moving Watson. Would be straight insanity. I think he died. but I think one thing everyone can agree is how the Texans (should be the Oilers, the Buffalo NeW Yorkers) let Bill O’Brien ruin a team with some of the best young talent in the nfl. Gave away Clowney (overrated but it was a joke trade), gave away Hopkins for an over the hill and expensive rb, and spent 2 1sts on an OT. Might as well give Watson away to finish the job. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djp14150 Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 why would Houston do this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 Let's assume for a minute that the conspiracy theory is true: Texans get off to a slow start and BOB finds himself on the hotseat early. As we approach the trade deadline (late Oct), BOB trades Watson to the Pats (even for a 1st). BOB is fired from Houston. Can Houston Ownership petition the league to annul the trade? Is there any precedent for the NFL stepping in and stopping trades? Let alone reversing them? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 4 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: The "Texans" arent, but BOB looking for a job next year certainly is. So Bob has more power than Janice McNair? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, djp14150 said: why would Houston do this? "Houston" wouldnt. I've already explained why people think BOB as GM would. 4 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said: So Bob has more power than Janice McNair? Do the owners need to sign off on every move a GM makes? Like literally sign a paper? Or do they have autonomy to do what they want? BOB is GM and HC, so Id argue that he has a LOT of power right now. Power granted to him, and so far allowed, by Janice McNair. Quoting myself, asking for a friend: 4 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: Let's assume for a minute that the conspiracy theory is true: Texans get off to a slow start and BOB finds himself on the hotseat early. As we approach the trade deadline (late Oct), BOB trades Watson to the Pats (even for a 1st). BOB is fired from Houston. BOB gets a job with New England Can Houston Ownership petition the league to annul the trade? Is there any precedent for the NFL stepping in and stopping trades? Let alone reversing them? I feel like that is something @YoloinOhio or @Kirby Jackson would know... Edited March 25, 2020 by DrDawkinstein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIZ Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 Phil. Are you British? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 The Patriots dont have enough cap space to take on his modest salary. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Holmes Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 5 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: Let's assume for a minute that the conspiracy theory is true: Texans get off to a slow start and BOB finds himself on the hotseat early. As we approach the trade deadline (late Oct), BOB trades Watson to the Pats (even for a 1st). BOB is fired from Houston. Can Houston Ownership petition the league to annul the trade? Is there any precedent for the NFL stepping in and stopping trades? Let alone reversing them? I would hope so...that should finally bring the ban hammer to the entire Pats organization including Brady but not Gronk... Barred from football and HoF forever and stripped of all accomplishments Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 I can’t even imagine the draft capital it would take for NE to get Watson away from Houston. It would have to be at least 3 1st rounders plus... No shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 6 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: I think he died. but I think one thing everyone can agree is how the Texans (should be the Oilers, the Buffalo NeW Yorkers) let Bill O’Brien ruin a team with some of the best young talent in the nfl. Gave away Clowney (overrated but it was a joke trade), gave away Hopkins for an over the hill and expensive rb, and spent 2 1sts on an OT. Might as well give Watson away to finish the job. Oh jeez, I didn’t realize he died like two years ago! Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 The Texans are just BOB, BOB, BOBbing along. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 9 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: "Houston" wouldnt. I've already explained why people think BOB as GM would. Do the owners need to sign off on every move a GM makes? Like literally sign a paper? Or do they have autonomy to do what they want? BOB is GM and HC, so Id argue that he has a LOT of power right now. Power granted to him, and so far allowed, by Janice McNair. Quoting myself, asking for a friend: I feel like that is something @YoloinOhio or @Kirby Jackson would know... I don’t know but I doubt it. The good news is that Houston ownership likely has to sign off on that deal. I’m pretty confident that ownership wouldn’t allow a lame duck coach to trade away the franchise QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 5 minutes ago, Johnny Hammersticks said: I can’t even imagine the draft capital it would take for NE to get Watson away from Houston. It would have to be at least 3 1st rounders plus... No shot. Like what it would take to get Hopkins? And again, most of this rumor is based on the idea that BOB is about to get fired and go to NE himself. As GM, he can ask for whatever he wants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 (edited) They're not going to trade him. Obrien gets fired before ownership lets him trade watson. Also - he posted song lyrics as an immediate response to a friend getting traded. Its an emotional response but i don't think he like pissed anyone off by stating it. Edited March 25, 2020 by dneveu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 1 minute ago, Kirby Jackson said: I don’t know but I doubt it. The good news is that Houston ownership likely has to sign off on that deal. I’m pretty confident that ownership wouldn’t allow a lame duck coach to trade away the franchise QB. Yeah, that's a part of what I'm wondering and truly dont know. Do owners have to literally sign paperwork to file with the league in order to make trades happen? Or can GMs basically do what they want? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 Just now, DrDawkinstein said: Yeah, that's a part of what I'm wondering and truly dont know. Do owners have to literally sign paperwork to file with the league in order to make trades happen? Or can GMs basically do what they want? One would think they would be made aware if the franchise QB was being moved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 16 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: Let's assume for a minute that the conspiracy theory is true: Texans get off to a slow start and BOB finds himself on the hotseat early. As we approach the trade deadline (late Oct), BOB trades Watson to the Pats (even for a 1st). BOB is fired from Houston. Can Houston Ownership petition the league to annul the trade? Is there any precedent for the NFL stepping in and stopping trades? Let alone reversing them? Or the owner group could just tell him not to trade Watson or you're fired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, dneveu said: One would think they would be made aware if the franchise QB was being moved. 1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said: Or the owner group could just tell him not to trade Watson or you're fired. So we know for certain there is some sort of check in place on any/all trades GMs want to make? And for WEO, my premise is based on the assumption BOB is already on the hotseat at that point and assumes he is going to be fired either way. Edited March 25, 2020 by DrDawkinstein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 the owner would have to step in with this there is just no way you do this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 6 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: So we know for certain there is some sort of check in place on any/all trades GMs want to make? And for WEO, my premise is based on the assumption BOB is already on the hotseat at that point and assumes he is going to be fired either way. There is no way the NFL would nullify a proper trade. An owner can make any such decision. It the trade is made, the owner can't say he didn't want it after completed. If the owner is against the trade, there is no trade. The GM can't trade if the owner says no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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