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2 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I don’t know the exact way it works but I can speak to the vetoed Chris Paul trade. That’s actually when I was working there so I know that one pretty well. David Stern didn’t step in as the Commissioner of the NBA but rather as the owner of the Pelicans. The league owned the team at this point. He didn’t do it in the best interest of the league but the Pelicans.

 

I don’t know the specifics of the structure with the Texans. I just know the optics would be disastrous. The public backlash and cries of collusion would make O’Brien toxic (even to the Pats). He’d be committing career suicide (and that’s IF the Texans can’t step in). It just isn’t realistic that Watson can be traded without ownership on board.  Now, O’Brien can lie and try to convince them that trading Watson is a good move. Maybe they will agree but I don’t think it’s possible to trade a franchise player, in any situation, without ownership approval. There are too many dominos tied to that player. 

 

The more likely scenario, IMO, would be O’Brien making Watson’s life miserable. He could try to force him out the door by just being an idiot. He’s off to a good start there.

 

This is exactly why I tagged you and summoned you to the thread :thumbsup: Thanks!

 

It's just really interesting to me how team offices and league offices work. It's why I will always watch every Hard Knocks or All or Nothing. The way these teams and businesses operate behind the scenes is enthralling. Especially when it comes to power-plays and power-struggles.

 

So optics (and all reason) aside, it's possible BOB could trade Watson to NE, and the Texans ownership would have to step in after the trade goes down to petition the league to annul it?

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Just now, DrDawkinstein said:

 

This is exactly why I tagged you and summoned you to the thread :thumbsup: Thanks!

 

It's just really interesting to me how team offices and league offices work. It's why I will always watch every Hard Knocks or All or Nothing. The way these teams and businesses operate behind the scenes is enthralling. Especially when it comes to power-plays and power-struggles.

 

So optics (and all reason) aside, it's possible BOB could trade Watson to NE, and the Texans ownership would have to step in after the trade goes down to petition the league to annul it?

Depending on how his contract works or Watson’s contract it may be possible IMO. I look at it as “possible” like a 1 point safety is possible. Technically, it could happen (maybe) but it won’t. If Watson leaves the Texans the ownership will have agreed to it.

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Every time I tweet some supermodel in a bikini favorites it and then comes looking for my cash.   

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4 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Depending on how his contract works or Watson’s contract it may be possible IMO. I look at it as “possible” like a 1 point safety is possible. Technically, it could happen (maybe) but it won’t. If Watson leaves the Texans the ownership will have agreed to it.

 

For sure. I thought it was a load of (Mike) mularkey when I first heard it mentioned 2 weeks ago. But it is an interesting idea and something I wouldnt have thought of on my own.

 

And I think, given all of our experiences with New England, nothing of this sort can be dismissed without a closer look.

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I like Watson fine but I don't fear him w/out Hopkins tbh

 

 

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Ownership will always have the final say on a trade of this magnitude.  But maybe the Texans don't love Desean Watson as much as a lot of you posters do.  I think he is a talent, but the Bills absolutely wrecked him in both games we played them under McDermott.  One terrible missed tackle in OT and lousy offense cost us more then anything in the playoff game.  But it would be interesting to see what kind of a trade offer New England or any other team would offer the Texans for Watson. (Makes the offseason a whole lot more interesting)

 

And for you older posters how about when Commissioner Bowie Kuhn would not allow Oakland A's owner Charlie Finley to sell off his great players from the 1970's Oakland A's because he was short on cash?  That was something.  He invoked his power for the "best interests of the game".  And those A's teams who I believe won 3 staight world series from 72-74 were as talented a baseball team as any I can remember that excelled for more then one year, that I can remember.  Awesome uniforms, mustaches and talent.  Anyone know their entire starting lineup including their starting pitchers and relievers?  I was in elementary school then.  And I remember most of them.  

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2 minutes ago, Paup 1995MVP said:

Ownership will always have the final say on a trade of this magnitude.  But maybe the Texans don't love Desean Watson as much as a lot of you posters do.  I think he is a talent, but the Bills absolutely wrecked him in both games we played them under McDermott.  One terrible missed tackle in OT and lousy offense cost us more then anything in the playoff game.  But it would be interesting to see what kind of a trade offer New England or any other team would offer the Texans for Watson. (Makes the offseason a whole lot more interesting)

 

And for you older posters how about when Commissioner Bowie Kuhn would not allow Oakland A's owner Charlie Finley to sell off his great players from the 1970's Oakland A's because he was short on cash?  That was something.  He invoked his power for the "best interests of the game".  And those A's teams who I believe won 3 staight world series from 72-74 were as talented a baseball team as any I can remember that excelled for more then one year, that I can remember.  Awesome uniforms, mustaches and talent.  Anyone know their entire starting lineup including their starting pitchers and relievers?  I was in elementary school then.  And I remember most of them.  

 

Yall keep saying this, but no one can tell me what they mean or how so. And I think it's an incorrect assumption, if the GM/HC is already on his way out, but currently has the power to deal.

 

WRT the A's, if I remember my baseball cards correctly Rollie Fingers and Reggie Jackson were definitely there.

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Conspiracy theory. 

 

Bob trades Watson to Pat's.

 

Gets fired. And hired in NE?

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The dude single handedly won that playoff game for them against the Bills. He put the team on his back and willed them to victory.

 

It would be epically dumb to trade him. But I thought the same about Hopkins...

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3 hours ago, Sherlock Holmes said:

@Virgil well here's your medicine... looks like we won't have to intervene:cry:


Not happening IMO.  They don’t have the cap for what he’ll want to get paid.  
 

It’s draft and develop for them most likely 

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6 minutes ago, Virgil said:


Not happening IMO.  They don’t have the cap for what he’ll want to get paid.  
 

It’s draft and develop for them most likely 


It’s a huge long shot but it’s interesting how many media outlets are picking up on it.   

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I will go out on a limb and say the McNair (owner of Texans) has heard about this rumor and has made his thoughts known.

Stop with the rouge BoB stuff.

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3 hours ago, Shaw66 said:

Who in their right mind would trade Watson?   


o’Brian = hold my beer!

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Just to clarify. The hypothetical for this is that, rumors have been circulating for a few weeks/day/whatever about HOU trading Watson to NE. and either: 

 1. Ownership has not broached the subject (which would be wild) with BOB, but would be so upset if it in fact did happen, if they could have any legal recourse? 

 

or 

 

 2. Ownership has smacked this down, and BOB goes ahead and does this behind their back? Can ownership then veto or cancel this trade? 

 

 

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2 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Yall keep saying this, but no one can tell me what they mean or how so. And I think it's an incorrect assumption, if the GM/HC is already on his way out, but currently has the power to deal.

 

WRT the A's, if I remember my baseball cards correctly Rollie Fingers and Reggie Jackson were definitely there.

Are you asking could BOB call the Pats, come to an agreement, and fax all the paperwork without the owner’s catching wind of what is happening? 

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2 minutes ago, Mango said:

Just to clarify. The hypothetical for this is that, rumors have been circulating for a few weeks/day/whatever about HOU trading Watson to NE. and either: 

 1. Ownership has not broached the subject (which would be wild) with BOB, but would be so upset if it in fact did happen, if they could have any legal recourse? 

 

or 

 

 2. Ownership has smacked this down, and BOB goes ahead and does this behind their back? Can ownership then veto or cancel this trade? 

 

 

 

Yep, that was what I was trying to figure out in the first few pages of this thread.

 

 

1 minute ago, FireChans said:

Are you asking could BOB call the Pats, come to an agreement, and fax all the paperwork without the owner’s catching wind of what is happening? 

 

I was originally asking that, and we've already determined that part is very possible (without knowing the exact authority he's been given through his contract). My next questions were, if he was able to pull that off, what could the league or owners do to reverse it once it was done?

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Just now, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Yep, that was what I was trying to figure out in the first few pages of this thread.

 

 

 

I was originally asking that, and we've already determined that part is very possible (without knowing the exact authority he's been given through his contract). My next questions were, if he was able to pull that off, what could the league or owners do to reverse it once it was done?

I would suspect the Texans would sure the league and investigate for collusion. In which they would probably win. 

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Posted (edited)

 

 

So, he is going there as a "volunteer" ?

 

Because the Pats can't pay him.

 

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1 hour ago, Virgil said:


Not happening IMO.  They don’t have the cap for what he’ll want to get paid.  
 

It’s draft and develop for them most likely 

They were speculating next year is when it would happen right?

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6 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Yep, that was what I was trying to figure out in the first few pages of this thread.

 

 

 

I was originally asking that, and we've already determined that part is very possible (without knowing the exact authority he's been given through his contract). My next questions were, if he was able to pull that off, what could the league or owners do to reverse it once it was done?

 

Situation 1. Not in a million years did this happen. National rumors of trading your franchise QB without so much as a text message to check in on that, positive or negative. There is no owner, CEO, President, etc. who are not following up on this without some communication, with a follow up summarizing what was said if it was not already via email

 

Situation 2. Also never going to happen. Any ownership that has already knocked this down has done so in writing. This would not only be a career ending decision, but would also probably result in a civil suit that would leave BOB and his family homeless.  

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CBS shouldn't float garbage like this. It's about as likely as an alien smoke ring over Denver

 

 

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If Bill O'Brien really trades Watson, it shows he has a serious professional death wish.

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Does anybody believe this is remotely possible?  I guess a good message board topic but that is as far as it goes.

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4 minutes ago, Just Joshin' said:

Does anybody believe this is remotely possible?  I guess a good message board topic but that is as far as it goes.

 

No.

 

I understand the battered wife syndrome demands we invent new ways for NE* to remaining endlessly dominant, but no one is trading a top 10 QB to Belichick.

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