Quinton Spain to re-sign with buffalo, 3 yr 15 million

[DRA3196]

Huge re-signing. Going to be nice knowing who the starting 5 are. It also helps maintain chemistry, cohesiveness and continuity for the offense as a whole. Great Job Beane.

[Protocal69]

11 hours ago, Rc2catch said:

I’m on the fence for this one. 
He’s an above average player, I’m no pff analyst or huge film watcher but he seemed to have some issues in pass protection but seemed to excel in the run game. I considered him and Ford our weak links in pass pro. As much of a beating as Ford took for getting beat I always wondered why Spain didn’t catch some of the same. But I could of course be wrong I didn’t replay enough stuff to verify 

I don’t Spain gave up a single sack last year.

[BillsFan17]

12 hours ago, Rc2catch said:

I’m on the fence for this one. 
He’s an above average player, I’m no pff analyst or huge film watcher but he seemed to have some issues in pass protection but seemed to excel in the run game. I considered him and Ford our weak links in pass pro. As much of a beating as Ford took for getting beat I always wondered why Spain didn’t catch some of the same. But I could of course be wrong I didn’t replay enough stuff to verify 

Because Spain didnt get beat a lot in pass protection. 

[Big Turk]

Good signing and good value...Beane does a fantastic job of getting guys to sign very team friendly deals

[babulator]

 

That's pretty awesome, he didn't want to miss out on what we have going on here in Buffalo.

 

Man, this gets me fired up!

[Victory Formation]

I don’t think our OL is as bad as people make it out to be. Motor had a great season for a rookie. I can think of numerous times where Allen had 5 seconds to throw but nobody was getting open. Ford was weak in pass protection but he is a mauler on run plays and he was battling a torn rotator cuff. I’d still like to see another lineman added, preferably a RT added rounds 1-4 but honestly I think the major problem with our offense was the fact that outside of Brown and Beasley, Allen had nobody to throw to.

[JMF2006]

Glad to have you back Quinton Road Grader Spain

 

Like I have said before continuity is a good thing 

 

Besides that he could have got more money elsewhere but he wants to be a Bill the fans should be happy because guys wanted to escape or the Bills had to over pay before this regime arrived   

[YoloinOhio]

 

[DCbillsfan]

9 hours ago, LSHMEAB said:

DS wasn't getting those yards running through holes created by the line. 

 

Gore was a shell of himself, but do you remember watching them try to run the ball on 3rd and short? It was brutal. 

 

I just want to see at least one piece altered because this aspect of the game wasn't good enough.

Re-signing Spain prevents a big need in FA or the draft.  Feliciano and Nysekhe are FA's next year and Long could be as well.  Dawkins will be extended soon imo.  I can't remember what presser it was but got the distinct impression Beane is looking to upgrade the Oline.  I'm thinking OT on Day 2 of draft.

[mjt328]

It's interesting how this signing is sparking less discussion about Quinton Spain himself, and more talk about Cody Ford... but it's completely understandable.

 

The Offensive Line last year was solid, with one clear weak spot.  Right Tackle.

The problem was not Dion Dawkins at LT.  It was not Spain at LG.  It was not Mitch Morse at C.  It was not Jon Feliciano at RG.  All of these guys played consistently well throughout the course of the season.  And we also seemed to have good depth coming off the bench, particularly with Ryan Bates and Spencer Long.

 

But we did admittedly have a lot of problems with RT - between Ford struggling as a rookie, him rotating with Ty Nsekhe every other series early in the season, and then with Nsekhe getting hurt.  In my opinion, that one glaring weak spot on the right side was the difference between Buffalo fielding a Top 10 unit, and fielding a Top 15-20 unit.  And I know many other fans had the same observation.

 

I think many Bills fans expected (or even hoped) that we would let Spain walk... not because he isn't a good player himself... but because they wanted to see Ford slide inside to Guard.  Then we could focus on upgrading the RT spot.  But this move pretty much sets the O-Line for at least the 2021 season.  It's pretty clear that our coaching staff/front office believes in Ford and expect him to improve greatly at the position.  Hopefully they are correct.

 

 

[bmur66]

Spain is a bad ass. The whole O-line is good. You will see Ford pick it up this year

[jletha]

17 minutes ago, mjt328 said:

It's interesting how this signing is sparking less discussion about Quinton Spain himself, and more talk about Cody Ford... but it's completely understandable.

 

The Offensive Line last year was solid, with one clear weak spot.  Right Tackle.

The problem was not Dion Dawkins at LT.  It was not Spain at LG.  It was not Mitch Morse at C.  It was not Jon Feliciano at RG.  All of these guys played consistently well throughout the course of the season.  And we also seemed to have good depth coming off the bench, particularly with Ryan Bates and Spencer Long.

 

But we did admittedly have a lot of problems with RT - between Ford struggling as a rookie, him rotating with Ty Nsekhe every other series early in the season, and then with Nsekhe getting hurt.  In my opinion, that one glaring weak spot on the right side was the difference between Buffalo fielding a Top 10 unit, and fielding a Top 15-20 unit.  And I know many other fans had the same observation.

 

I think many Bills fans expected (or even hoped) that we would let Spain walk... not because he isn't a good player himself... but because they wanted to see Ford slide inside to Guard.  Then we could focus on upgrading the RT spot.  But this move pretty much sets the O-Line for at least the 2021 season.  It's pretty clear that our coaching staff/front office believes in Ford and expect him to improve greatly at the position.  Hopefully they are correct.

 

 

I am glad we re-signed Spain first and foremost but it does leave me with questions as to what we are going to do moving forward. I agree that most people would say our weakness was RT. A lot of people want to make Ford a guard permanently, which makes sense based on last year. Re-signing Spain and Long creates a log-jam at G though, so if Ford was going to make the switch to G he is going to have to fight for snaps which seems counterproductive for a young players development when switching positions.

 

Also what room is there for upgrades? If we agree that another RT would be an upgrade and we get one in FA or the early rounds of the draft, how is that player going to rotate in with Ford & Nseke? This move actually makes me think we sit tight at OL with what we have instead of look for an upgrade, which is disappointing a bit.

 

Again, I am happy overall we re-signed Spain but I makes upgrading the line a bit less obvious. But as always in Beane I trust.

Edited March 13, 2020 by jletha

[GreggTX]

14 hours ago, Warcodered said:

I know people are wanting them to keep working on the O-line by bringing in some new good players but I think it's also important to remember that while the line does need to improve last year 4/5 of the starters were new. Which basically means all 5 were new to working with each other, hell even a lot of the depth was new. The starting RT was a rookie and it was the first year of our new OL coach. Plenty of reasons to think this O-Line improves this year even without a bunch of shiny new toys.

 

That's a fair point, but our OL was pretty average overall. I'd be all in favor of another, even bigger signing in the trenches. Unfortunately, there are no very good OT's available in this year's FA class and the top tier of rookie OT's is expected to be gone by the time we draft at 22.

[hemma]

Right rotator cuff (Ford) + Right ankle (Nsekhe) was not helpful for the RT position.

 

I think we'll see a big improvement this year but nevertheless, I do think we will also draft a Tackle as there is no guarantee that either Dawkins or Nsekhe will be here in 2021.

[Fixxxer]

Fantastic news, we keep a good player at a very friendly number and the Jets have to keep looking to upgrade their OL, which isn't very easy to do.

[SoCal Deek]

I love the signing for consistency. The O Line plays as a cohesive unit more than any other group on a football team. Keeping them together is huge. And, for those worried about Ford, there are very few, if any NFL teams that are 100% solid at all five O Line spots. In fact I remember watching highlights of the Bills Super Bowl years and was surprised that I couldn’t remember all five starters even through that consistent of a run. 

[AlCowlingsTaxiService]

15 hours ago, aristocrat said:

great news we need this hole filled. now ford to right guard and get a right tackle somewhere

I’ll choose to keep Feliciano at RG and hope they were right about Ford and that he can take a big step forward this season 

[Logic]

Beane is no fool.

He saw what we all saw at RT.

I'd bet anything that he brings in SOME kind of meaningful competition for Ford, because I also think he wants Nsekhe to be the swing tackle, ideally.

[zevo]

25 minutes ago, Logic said:

Beane is no fool.

He saw what we all saw at RT.

I'd bet anything that he brings in SOME kind of meaningful competition for Ford, because I also think he wants Nsekhe to be the swing tackle, ideally.

They see talent in him...just watch the video of the draft last year and the dismay in the bills war room when they thought Carolina jumped them for Ford...The whole room was discouraged....A full Nfl off season of training will get this kid going...I don’t think they have any plans other than developing him...

[Logic]

12 minutes ago, zevo said:

They see talent in him...just watch the video of the draft last year and the dismay in the bills war room when they thought Carolina jumped them for Ford...The whole room was discouraged....A full Nfl off season of training will get this kid going...I don’t think they have any plans other than developing him...

I agree that they believe in him fully, and that they think he'll get a lot better this season. I don't disagree with them!

I also think Beane is a "hedging your bets" type of guy, and that he'll bring in a body at tackle, whether through the draft or free agency. 

The fact that when they were asked about what position Ford would play in his second season, they didn't just say "tackle", but were instead non-committal, tells me that they realize it's not a sure thing he pans out at that position. If they were 100% in on Ford as a tackle, they would have just replied "he's a tackle".

[DJB]

4 hours ago, BillsFan17 said:

Because Spain didnt get beat a lot in pass protection. 

 

Yes from what I saw. 

 

But honestly  he's being swing guard money now and he's a starter so I'm really happy with him  now lol

[zevo]

5 minutes ago, Logic said:

I agree that they believe in him fully, and that they think he'll get a lot better this season. I don't disagree with them!

I also think Beane is a "hedging your bets" type of guy, and that he'll bring in a body at tackle, whether through the draft or free agency. 

The fact that when they were asked about what position Ford would play in his second season, they didn't just say "tackle", but were instead non-committal, tells me that they realize it's not a sure thing he pans out at that position. If they were 100% in on Ford as a tackle, they would have just replied "he's a tackle".

I really think the mantra of this team is positional flexibility. I don’t think they necessarily like to pigeonhole a player to one designated position. You see it all across the oline...every player has flexibility. 

[Dablitzkrieg]

I think we need a right tackle badly.  Ford is a much better right guard and needs to move inside

[zevo]

9 minutes ago, Dablitzkrieg said:

I think we need a right tackle badly.  Ford is a much better right guard and needs to move inside

It was an up and down year for him...let’s see what an off season of development does for the kid

[Cruiserplayer]

2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

550K less than John Miller

[BillsFan17]

20 minutes ago, Dablitzkrieg said:

I think we need a right tackle badly.  Ford is a much better right guard and needs to move inside

I mean, they just retained Spain for three more years, and they still have Feliciano thru this season, so unless they are going to regulate Ford as a backup Guard...

 

It's entirely possible they slide Ford over and let him learn behind Feliciano, and then let Jon walk, but it seems like they want to keep this line together...

[dave mcbride]

17 hours ago, Rc2catch said:

I’m on the fence for this one. 
He’s an above average player, I’m no pff analyst or huge film watcher but he seemed to have some issues in pass protection but seemed to excel in the run game. I considered him and Ford our weak links in pass pro. As much of a beating as Ford took for getting beat I always wondered why Spain didn’t catch some of the same. But I could of course be wrong I didn’t replay enough stuff to verify 

Not everyone can be an all-pro. He's a solid NFL starter who stays on the field, and this is a pretty cheap deal, relatively speaking. 

[BillsFan4]

Nice!

[longtimebillsfan]

17 hours ago, Rc2catch said:

I’m on the fence for this one. 
He’s an above average player, I’m no pff analyst or huge film watcher but he seemed to have some issues in pass protection but seemed to excel in the run game. I considered him and Ford our weak links in pass pro. As much of a beating as Ford took for getting beat I always wondered why Spain didn’t catch some of the same. But I could of course be wrong I didn’t replay enough stuff to verify 

Not sure what you are referring to. Spain gave up 0 sacs in 2019.  Did you see a stat that Spain gave uo a large number of QB pressures?

[Smitty75]

3y/15millions $ it’s a great deal imo for a guy who didn’t allow a sack last season.

The front office make some smart moves for the moment !

[RyanC883]

I really love this.  Dude lets up ZERO sacks.  Other OL love him, esp. Dawkins.  This does not prevent Bean from kicking Ford to guard. Bean and McD will play the best guys.  If an OT falls to us, Ford and the other OG better be ready for competition.  Depth at the OL is very very very important.  

[YoloinOhio]

1 hour ago, dave mcbride said:

Not everyone can be an all-pro. He's a solid NFL starter who stays on the field, and this is a pretty cheap deal, relatively speaking. 

Especially given the huge contract for the Morse and the one coming for Dawkins...  need “solid” guys in the other spots  but can’t pay them all like that 

[Dopey]

18 hours ago, Dablitzkrieg said:

Far from mostly set.

LT, LG, C, RG(?), RT

I can see RG as the only question, then depth. Sounds like mostly set to me. And yes, like it or not, Ford is our RT. Seems McBeane sees it that way too.

Edit: I wrote, RG as the only question. Let me state, I liked Feliciano at RG and he's only 28. 

Edited March 13, 2020 by Dopey

[SCBills]

4 hours ago, GreggTX said:

 

That's a fair point, but our OL was pretty average overall. I'd be all in favor of another, even bigger signing in the trenches. Unfortunately, there are no very good OT's available in this year's FA class and the top tier of rookie OT's is expected to be gone by the time we draft at 22.

Id like one big upgrade at either RG or RT, given the other 3 spots are clearly set, but consistency is huge on the OL.  
 

Definitely reason to believe that an average OL, in its first year together, will make a jump in their second year together, along with the rookie RT no longer being a rookie. 

[yungmack]

18 hours ago, Rc2catch said:

I’m on the fence for this one. 
He’s an above average player, I’m no pff analyst or huge film watcher but he seemed to have some issues in pass protection but seemed to excel in the run game. I considered him and Ford our weak links in pass pro. As much of a beating as Ford took for getting beat I always wondered why Spain didn’t catch some of the same. But I could of course be wrong I didn’t replay enough stuff to verify 

Played 16 games, gave up ZERO sacks. Seems pretty darn good in the passing game.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

1 hour ago, BillsFan17 said:

I mean, they just retained Spain for three more years, and they still have Feliciano thru this season, so unless they are going to regulate Ford as a backup Guard...

 

It's entirely possible they slide Ford over and let him learn behind Feliciano, and then let Jon walk, but it seems like they want to keep this line together...

 

...why?......certainly acquitted himself well in 2019 and he's only 28...…….

[BillsFan17]

3 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

...why?......certainly acquitted himself well in 2019 and he's only 28...…….

Context is important

 

If the plan is to make Ford a full time OG, are you going to pay Feliciano after this season and keep Ford as a backup? If so, seems like a gross mismanagement of a second rounder who is primarily going to be a backup interior linemen. I think Feliciano is one of the tone setters along that line. I think they would be better served keeping him entrenched at RG.

 

So again, the context of what the plan moving forward would be, especially after giving Spain three more years, so hes likely entrenched as the starting LG... 

Edited March 13, 2020 by BillsFan17

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

2 minutes ago, BillsFan17 said:

Context is important

 

If the plan is to make Ford a full time OG, are you going to pay Feliciano after this season and keep Ford as a backup? If so, seems like a gross mismanagement of a second rounder who is primarily going to be a backup interior linemen. I think Feliciano is one of the tone setters along that line. I think they would be better served keeping him entrenched at RG.

 

So again, the context of what the plan moving forward would be, especially after giving Spain three more years, so hes likely entrenched as the starting LG... 

 

...got it...thanks...…...

[NewEra]

33 minutes ago, yungmack said:

Played 16 games, gave up ZERO sacks. Seems pretty darn good in the passing game.

Yeah, he has it backwards.  He’s good in pass pro and despite his size, is meh as a run blocker.  

[YattaOkasan]

26 minutes ago, BillsFan17 said:

Context is important

 

If the plan is to make Ford a full time OG, are you going to pay Feliciano after this season and keep Ford as a backup? If so, seems like a gross mismanagement of a second rounder who is primarily going to be a backup interior linemen. I think Feliciano is one of the tone setters along that line. I think they would be better served keeping him entrenched at RG.

 

So again, the context of what the plan moving forward would be, especially after giving Spain three more years, so hes likely entrenched as the starting LG... 

If i put ford at guard then i would let feliciano or long go.  probably make feliciano the back up if hell take the money.  if ford is better than feliciano at RG then i dont think they would be better served with feliciano at RG.  that said i dont know how good ford would be at RG, but i would def take one of the top 4 tackles if they somehow magically fell in the draft.