LABILLBACKER Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 48 minutes ago, DrDare said: it s very simple, every time we got the shot at it, we lose each time, that ruined our likely hood of getting more now we finally won it! and have cool QB. things are gonna change The better Josh gets the easier it will be for the NFL to market the Bills. It wouldn't surprise me to see us get a MNF, SNF and TNF game next year. Draft Jonathan Taylor and Michael Pittman in the first 2 rounds and we'll become very desirable to the Shield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsfaninChicago Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 There was an old Urban Legend back in the day on the BBMB that it was because Ralph didn’t want to stay up that late to watch the games. The funny thing was people actually believed it on there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 1 hour ago, MAJBobby said: I used to think it was tied to being a Small Market. I do not believe that anymore as other Small Market teams get On Primetime regularly. so then I use to think well it is because they haven’t been good. While that can still somewhat hold water I am starting to think otherwise because I see bad teams on Primetime all the time. So my theory is Leverage. And Leverage is something I would not put past the NFL at all. The Powers to be are clearly upset that we are still playing in an older stadium. Even with New ownership the same thing comes up all the time from around the league about how we need a Stadium solution. It is the topic at every owners meeting and routinely mentioned by The Commish. I would not put it past the NFL ONE BIT to be not putting Bills on Primetime (or featured on their network during the talk shows or training camp rotations etc etc) until they have that nice new Shiny Stadium. what are you thought? I’m sure the stadium plays a small part but for the most part it’s all performance based. Play better and they’ll get some night games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 It's simple. When you lose four straight Super Bowls and following that do little that catches anyone's eye for decades, you won't be on prime time TV very often. And it doesn't help that the few occasions you were on during that interim, you generally produced snoozeable efforts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 There’s no theory involved at all. We suck. When you suck, NO ONE wants to see you play. The NFL is a business. Their clientele (fans) want nothing to do with perennial losers. We just fooled ‘em this year. Thats all it is. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: That’s an interesting thought. A lot of it used to have to do with the amount of Bills fans that travel for games. The Bills have a lot of season ticket holders that travel hours to games. They used to request that they be limited for that reason and they worried about flex scheduling for the same reason. I’d expect a couple next year. I think it's a big positive having all your games at the same time each week. My boss is a Pats STHer and he's always complaining about the night games. He'd kill for a home schedule like the Bills Edited December 1, 2019 by PromoTheRobot 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Boy Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 1 hour ago, Just Joshin' said: I am in the minority, I presume, that I do not care if they get Prime time games or not. Especially if means they need to travel for a Thursday night game. Completely agree. I LOVE Sundays at 1 pm. I don’t like 4 pm, hate the evening games and want no part of Monday or Thursday nights. However, I did love the Thanksgiving game. I wish they would get rid of the Dallas and Detroit hosting it tradition.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 1 minute ago, PromoTheRobot said: I think it's a big positive having all your games at the same time each week. My boss is a Pats STHer and he's always complaining about the night games. He's kill for a home schedule like the Bills I kind of prefer it too. We play both West divisions next year so we are definitely looking at a more diverse schedule time wise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 Yikes on this wacky theory. It's too convoluted to even consider. As everyone has pointed out, these games are booked on a hunch based on projected viership/ratings....and absolutely nothing else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 1 hour ago, GunnerBill said: I think you might be onto something. I know I have said it before but don't be surprised if they send the Bills to London for a home game next year too. THAT is a real punishment, but then we kind of did that to ourselves with the Toronto nonsense. I think if we win consistently this corrects itself. The league is all about making money, and that means ratings. Show the teams that will drive ratings. Could there be some other more minor factors? Sure, but I think that is the real driver here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 1 hour ago, MAJBobby said: I used to think it was tied to being a Small Market. I do not believe that anymore as other Small Market teams get On Primetime regularly. so then I use to think well it is because they haven’t been good. While that can still somewhat hold water I am starting to think otherwise because I see bad teams on Primetime all the time. So my theory is Leverage. And Leverage is something I would not put past the NFL at all. The Powers to be are clearly upset that we are still playing in an older stadium. Even with New ownership the same thing comes up all the time from around the league about how we need a Stadium solution. It is the topic at every owners meeting and routinely mentioned by The Commish. I would not put it past the NFL ONE BIT to be not putting Bills on Primetime (or featured on their network during the talk shows or training camp rotations etc etc) until they have that nice new Shiny Stadium. what are you thought? So why a primetime game on Thanksgiving against America's team, 2nd game of the day. Can't get much more primetime than that. For years Ralph didn't want home games on MNF because the fans were embarrassing themselves and the team on national TV. The fact that we've stunk for most of the last 20 years and haven't had a decent QB were probably the biggest factors and I can't blame the NFL at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoBills33 Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 After the ratings we got Thursday my guess is we will have a few primetime games next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seasons1992 Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 Back between 1990-1994, my dad would ONLY buy primetime game home tickets. I definitely remember going to at least 2-3 a season, if I remember correctly, during that time. Get good, play late. I believe it's as simple as that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 53 minutes ago, Leonhart2017 said: There was an old Urban Legend back in the day on the BBMB that it was because Ralph didn’t want to stay up that late to watch the games. The funny thing was people actually believed it on there. I like that reasoning better than the others. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigK14094 Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 I don't like the prime time games.........I like daylight games. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djp14150 Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 1 hour ago, LeGOATski said: Probably is part of it. The NFL clearly wanted to hype the Browns before the season and they got plenty of prime time attention this year. I think a lot of it just has to do with star power. The Bills have some great players, but just not national stars. That's why the Thanksgiving game was huge. It showed how good the individuals were (Josh, Oliver, etc) on the national stage. If that hat was the case then why give the browns duch a difficult first 7 games from their first 7 games...4 teams made the playoffs in 2018. The other 3..jets were looked at as WC contenders, Tennessee finished 9-7 last year, and SF was also considered a WC team with their QB healthy. the reason is....Buffalo hasn’t been a regular playoff team. It was was a slap in the face in 2018 thry didn’t get any big tv spots after being a WC team. Usually the playoff teams from the prior season gets on non Thursday national TV The NFL knows Buffalo is not a small market because of the Canadian population not counted. Include the Canadian population it’s easily a top 10 market. seeing the bills fans take over Tennessee stadium they should realize the Bills have a national following just like Steelers, Raiders, snd cowboys next year buffalo plays both west coast divisions...likely national game would be KC or SEA. SF games on 425. another driver in national games is playoff rematch games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st&ten Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 The Bills will be on prime time next year when they win the Super Bowl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 1 minute ago, djp14150 said: If that hat was the case then why give the browns duch a difficult first 7 games from their first 7 games...4 teams made the playoffs in 2018. The other 3..jets were looked at as WC contenders, Tennessee finished 9-7 last year, and SF was also considered a WC team with their QB healthy. the reason is....Buffalo hasn’t been a regular playoff team. It was was a slap in the face in 2018 thry didn’t get any big tv spots after being a WC team. Usually the playoff teams from the prior season gets on non Thursday national TV The NFL knows Buffalo is not a small market because of the Canadian population not counted. Include the Canadian population it’s easily a top 10 market. seeing the bills fans take over Tennessee stadium they should realize the Bills have a national following just like Steelers, Raiders, snd cowboys next year buffalo plays both west coast divisions...likely national game would be KC or SEA. SF games on 425. another driver in national games is playoff rematch games. This just seems to support my theory. It doesn't matter how good the team is. They're not trying to give any team particularly easy schedules (that's really not possible in the NFL). It's just about star players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 The ratings on the Dallas/Buffalo game along with Buffalo's uptrend are going to put the Bills in prime time next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike in Horseheads Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 I'm very happy with Sunday at 1pm games. I'll never get the infatuation here that we have to be on at night, tell that to ticket holders that have to get home and go to work the next day 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 2 hours ago, Boca BIlls said: WRONG, they havent been good and were never predicted to be good. Those are the true reasons. You called it. 6-10 last year, repeated negative press on Allen and squeaking barely into the playoffs and before no playoff spots in 17 years. That’s it. Whoever said more next year is right. 9-3 now, and anywhere from 10-6, but more likely 11 or 12 wins and if a first round win will get them a couple of night games. Honestly, I’m up at 5 am for morning workout, dog, and love my day of work so I’m miserable the next day. We’ll get some 4 pm games next year as we’re playing 4 of 8 games out West with NFCW, and AFCW next year. Oh and probably at least one Sunday or MNF Games next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stallions Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 2 hours ago, Just Joshin' said: I am in the minority, I presume, that I do not care if they get Prime time games or not. Especially if means they need to travel for a Thursday night game. Playing Monday nights, Thursday nights and 4:30 on Sunday's isn't that ideal over the course of a season. I agree with you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 I love 1 pm games. We have a great Bills Backers bar down here so hitting church, breakfast, and gym and heading over fo my best seat is great. Literally everyone in the bar is a former Buffalonian. It’s great as it’ a sea of Bills jerseys and apparel. It makes for a fun Sunday afternoon. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xwnyer Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 3 hours ago, MAJBobby said: I used to think it was tied to being a Small Market. I do not believe that anymore as other Small Market teams get On Primetime regularly. so then I use to think well it is because they haven’t been good. While that can still somewhat hold water I am starting to think otherwise because I see bad teams on Primetime all the time. So my theory is Leverage. And Leverage is something I would not put past the NFL at all. The Powers to be are clearly upset that we are still playing in an older stadium. Even with New ownership the same thing comes up all the time from around the league about how we need a Stadium solution. It is the topic at every owners meeting and routinely mentioned by The Commish. I would not put it past the NFL ONE BIT to be not putting Bills on Primetime (or featured on their network during the talk shows or training camp rotations etc etc) until they have that nice new Shiny Stadium. what are you thought? why you use that,profile photo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 1 hour ago, PromoTheRobot said: I think it's a big positive having all your games at the same time each week. My boss is a Pats STHer and he's always complaining about the night games. He's kill for a home schedule like the Bills I know a lot here have a chip on their shoulders but I love when I can predict a game time consistently, plan around it, etc... and frankly working Monday going to a game and working Tuesday isn’t particularly fun. id much rather go Sunday afternoon even if the Boise Idaho isn’t getting to see us on mnf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheektowaga Chad Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 Watch the steelers game get flexed after the Thanksgiving game ratings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 It’s no mystery; prime time games come with consistent winning or being a big market team such as Dallas or Chicago. If the Bills win consistently , prime time appearances will follow. As for practicalities, many have pointed out that these games are not the most fan friendly. Sunday 1 pm games are much more convenient to plan around. Prime time games are scheduled for the TV audience, not those attending the game. So while these games mean national relevance and recognition, they aren’t the best things for fans that like to go to the games. For the team, they are a schedule disruption, but an indicator of success and a chance for the players to be in the spotlight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 1 hour ago, klos63 said: So why a primetime game on Thanksgiving against America's team, 2nd game of the day. Can't get much more primetime than that. For years Ralph didn't want home games on MNF because the fans were embarrassing themselves and the team on national TV. The fact that we've stunk for most of the last 20 years and haven't had a decent QB were probably the biggest factors and I can't blame the NFL at all. I think he's talking about prime Time games at home, not on the road. 3 hours ago, MAJBobby said: I used to think it was tied to being a Small Market. I do not believe that anymore as other Small Market teams get On Primetime regularly. so then I use to think well it is because they haven’t been good. While that can still somewhat hold water I am starting to think otherwise because I see bad teams on Primetime all the time. So my theory is Leverage. And Leverage is something I would not put past the NFL at all. The Powers to be are clearly upset that we are still playing in an older stadium. Even with New ownership the same thing comes up all the time from around the league about how we need a Stadium solution. It is the topic at every owners meeting and routinely mentioned by The Commish. I would not put it past the NFL ONE BIT to be not putting Bills on Primetime (or featured on their network during the talk shows or training camp rotations etc etc) until they have that nice new Shiny Stadium. what are you thought? I can definitely see it. Does seem like they bring up Bills needi9ng a new stadium a lot. You make be right, or at least that may have something to do with it anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted December 1, 2019 Share Posted December 1, 2019 It's all about the QB for franchise's like Buffalo, KC, Jacksonville, Cleveland and Indy. They just don't have the national cache, so the truly casual fans will only be interested if and when the Bills have that guy. You would have to say Allen became a very "interesting" player to many on a big stage Thursday, so that was big if you care about these things. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted December 1, 2019 Share Posted December 1, 2019 People will want to see Allen play next season. Heck, I think they do now. QB’s drive this league. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted December 1, 2019 Share Posted December 1, 2019 (edited) It “was” mostly because the Buffalo Bills sucked in most every facet of football ownership and football play, and did billsy stuff for the better part of twenty years, the team “was” not a winning or positive image for the league, and the league had no reason to advertise the organization during prime time, it’s that simple. Now that the ownership and coaching is tracking in an obviously positive direction the league will be more inclined to advertise the team. Its all image with the league, we now have a real QB, backed by a well run organization, and..., wait..., it’s coming, we are winning, and as we all know, winning fixes everything. That is all, Go Bills!!! Edited December 1, 2019 by Don Otreply Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted December 1, 2019 Share Posted December 1, 2019 I don’t like prime time games. As a west coaster I’m stuck in traffic and don’t get home until halfway through the 1st Qtr on Monday & Thursday nights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djp14150 Posted December 1, 2019 Share Posted December 1, 2019 3 hours ago, LeGOATski said: This just seems to support my theory. It doesn't matter how good the team is. They're not trying to give any team particularly easy schedules (that's really not possible in the NFL). It's just about star players. If thry hey wanted to hype the browns thry would have flipped the schedule around and allowed the, to start out something like 8-2 or 7-3 before playing their tough games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madbillsfan Posted December 1, 2019 Share Posted December 1, 2019 Mediocrity will be my guess. 17+ years of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted December 1, 2019 Author Share Posted December 1, 2019 2 hours ago, Xwnyer said: why you use that,profile photo? Because I lost a bet 4 weeks ago. And was free to remove it this week but am keeping it during the win streak like I was asked Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted December 1, 2019 Share Posted December 1, 2019 (edited) One of thee reasons given was that Ralph hated Primetime games because it did not suit the market. Sunday night or Monday night meant longer commute for folks in Canada and Rochester late in the night and then they would prefer to not attend. Since the Bills have a sizeable Season ticket holders from those two regions, it was not considered a good risk to take, That is why most of our Primetime games have been on the road, Now the Pegulas may think differently and may push for additional Primetime games next year especially some at Home Edited December 1, 2019 by ganesh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted December 1, 2019 Share Posted December 1, 2019 I think the lack of prime time games is because nobody in general really cares about Buffalo. We've been bad to mediocre for 20 years, with most of that time having a coach with no future in the NFL (Rex had past recognition and was a blow hard), as well as a QB with no real future in the NFL. Things are starting to change now and i think next year we get multiple prime time games. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted December 1, 2019 Share Posted December 1, 2019 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Happy Gilmore said: I think the lack of prime time games is because nobody in general really cares about Buffalo. We've been bad to mediocre for 20 years, with most of that time having a coach with no future in the NFL (Rex had past recognition and was a blow hard), as well as a QB with no real future in the NFL. Things are starting to change now and i think next year we get multiple prime time games. This is all that really needs to be said on the matter. Truth be told, I don't want to be one of those teams that has to do this kind of thing (change game time every few weeks) while they are still working everything out. Keep us at 1 or 4 or whatever on Sundays until we are the team we need to be and not the "hot take" of the week. Edited December 1, 2019 by The Wiz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eanyills Posted December 1, 2019 Share Posted December 1, 2019 (edited) It’s ratings, simple as that. Will the teams playing draw viewers to satisfy the network and advertisers paying? Buffalo being in a smaller media market doesn’t help but star players, interesting story lines, and/or a relevant winning team can offset some of that. With the Bills success on the field and their draw on Thanksgiving, they’ll absolutely get a look next year on prime time. Edited December 1, 2019 by eanyills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albany,n.y. Posted December 1, 2019 Share Posted December 1, 2019 7 hours ago, MAJBobby said: and yet the ONLY TEAM ever mentioned at the Owners meetings about their Stadium is the Buffalo Bills so tell me how all those teams like Mia, Tenn etc etc were projected to be good They got 1 game. We had Thanksgiving & week 16 national game on NFL network. The reason is we won 6 games last year & Vegas had us projected to be under .500 this year. The majority of network people looked at predictions that the Bills would be no good. In addition, a lot of our games featured lousy opponents. Nobody was about to put games like Bills/Miami or Cincinnati on in primetime. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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