lookylookyherecomescookie Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 Given Josh's measurables, those things that are facts, not subject to opinion 1. age 2. contract 3. size 4. speed 5. arm strength and his immeasurables, those things that everyone has opinions on 1. Intelligence 2. work ethic 3. leadership 4. potential 5. competitiveness 6. and most important-ability to be an NFL QB I was wondering how many and which nfl gms would trade their starting QB straight up for Josh today. I'm convinced that the pats would do it in a heartbeat, but only once this season was over. Thoughts? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 A lot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 At least yesterday, the Cowboys 3 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bilzfancy Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 John Elway has to be thinking, " I could have drafted him and be set at QB for years, instead I took a DE" 3 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 Maybe 15? I'd say he's probably just inside the top 15 of QB play right now. Maybe more when you consider teams like NO, SD, and even maybe NE that would want to do so to ensure their future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 After this year 31 teams, Mahomes is the only QB I might take over Allen but I love the way Allen plays the game. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 2 minutes ago, bilzfancy said: John Elway has to be thinking, " I could have drafted him and be set at QB for years, instead I took a DE" Thank god elway is a incompetent GM. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 5 minutes ago, lookylookyherecomescookie said: Given Josh's measurables, those things that are facts, not subject to opinion 1. age 2. contract 3. size 4. speed 5. arm strength and his immeasurables, those things that everyone has opinions on 1. Intelligence 2. work ethic 3. leadership 4. potential 5. competitiveness 6. and most important-ability to be an NFL QB I was wondering how many and which nfl gms would trade their starting QB straight up for Josh today. I'm convinced that the pats would do it in a heartbeat, but only once this season was over. Thoughts? they can't have him. he's ours! 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 7 minutes ago, lookylookyherecomescookie said: Given Josh's measurables, those things that are facts, not subject to opinion 1. age 2. contract 3. size 4. speed 5. arm strength and his immeasurables, those things that everyone has opinions on 1. Intelligence 2. work ethic 3. leadership 4. potential 5. competitiveness 6. and most important-ability to be an NFL QB I was wondering how many and which nfl gms would trade their starting QB straight up for Josh today. I'm convinced that the pats would do it in a heartbeat, but only once this season was over. Thoughts? A lot of teams couldn’t due to cap accelerations. But Josh is looking really good. The Browns and Eagles games feel like distant memories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seasons1992 Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 7 minutes ago, bilzfancy said: John Elway has to be thinking, " I could have drafted him and be set at QB for years, instead I took a DE" He's married to this, he's fine. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dont Stop Billeiving Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 Legitimately believe that Baltimore, Seattle, Green Bay, Dallas, and Kansas City are the only teams that wouldn't make that trade (considering that the Pats, Saints, etc. who have great QBs that are older would make this trade for the future). Potential counts for a lot in this league and now that he has improved his accuracy so much, he's matching his insane physical traits and intangibles with production. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locomark Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 2 minutes ago, Seasons1992 said: He's married to this, he's fine. So not only is Elway a bad judge of talent but he married a fan of an in-division rival??? ?Plenty of hot girls who like the Broncos Johnny !!! 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 Almost all GMs would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedboy7 Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 How many wives in Buffalo would trade their husbands for JA? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RalphWilson'sNewWar Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 ? AFC Would not Trade - Jets, Ravens, Browns, Texans, Broncos, Chiefs. Would Trade - Patriots, Steelers, Colts, Jaguars, Titans, Chargers. Not Sure - Bengals, Dolphins, Raiders. NFC Would Not Trade - Cowboys, Eagles, Giants, Packers, Vikings, Saints, 49ers, Cardinals, Seahawks. Would Trade - Washington, Bears, Buccaneers, Falcons, Panthers, Not Sure - Lions, Rams 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 21 minutes ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said: At least yesterday, the Cowboys ..probably the 'Fins......Josh for the "other Josh"...... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 24 minutes ago, whatdrought said: Maybe 15? I'd say he's probably just inside the top 15 of QB play right now. Maybe more when you consider teams like NO, SD, and even maybe NE that would want to do so to ensure their future. I think this is right. Id throw him in at 12 but top 15 without having to think about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 1 minute ago, thenorthremembers said: I think this is right. Id throw him in at 12 but top 15 without having to think about it. I'd say if you project this play throughout the year then yeah, top 12-8 easy. That being said, overall with early season struggles he's still probably peaking at top 15. (there's some bad QB play this year, which helps). That's a slightly different question over what OP asked... That one is harder to tangibilize cause you gotta think about vision and current QB situation. Would the Vikings trade Kirk (whose having a big season) and his huge salary for Josh? Maybe, if they could see how to use him and they could dedicate that cash to other aspects. I think he would have more overall value than even Lamar, as I think he has more system flexibility, even if he isn't playing as well. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DefenseWins Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 Maybe a better question is "How many other NFL teams would Brandon Beane trade Josh Allen to, for their QB straight up"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 25 minutes ago, DefenseWins said: Maybe a better question is "How many other NFL teams would Brandon Beane trade Josh Allen to, for their QB straight up"? For me right now- none. JA might be best QB in league for next decade, he is in mix with about 5 other guys right now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 At least 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBills88 Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 1 hour ago, bilzfancy said: John Elway has to be thinking, " I could have drafted him and be set at QB for years, instead I took a DE" That's not entirely true. If Elway doesn't hire the correct personnel to educate and help him get better than it would have been a wasted pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codyny13 Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 These topics are crazy to see now. A few weeks ago a few people on here said that Josh Allen isn’t a real Qb. I might need to go back into my notifications to find out who some of you are. Josh was awesome yesterday. Not trading him for anything right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 Every team but Cleveland and this is why Cleveland will always be Cleveland 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 So I’d say the better question is, how many players in the nfl would WE trade josh Allen for straight up? All things considered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st pete gogolak Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 I always like the hypothetical KC - Buff trade Mahones for J. Allen and White (I guess you have to throw Cordy Glenn in to make it more accurate as to what actually went down). After yesterday's game I think that is the first time KC would actually consider making the trade! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 I still think Josh may have better intangibles when it comes to being a winner than Mahomes does. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 all things considered....i'd say 20 teams would trade straight up today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 1 hour ago, RalphWilson'sNewWar said: ? AFC Would not Trade - Jets, Ravens, Browns, Texans, Broncos, Chiefs. Would Trade - Patriots, Steelers, Colts, Jaguars, Titans, Chargers. Not Sure - Bengals, Dolphins, Raiders. NFC Would Not Trade - Cowboys, Eagles, Giants, Packers, Vikings, Saints, 49ers, Cardinals, Seahawks. Would Trade - Washington, Bears, Buccaneers, Falcons, Panthers, Not Sure - Lions, Rams Wait, so you believe the Broncos wouldn't and you aren't sure about the Bengals and Dolphins, both clubs who benched their starters this year at various times in the season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 Not scientific but I am gonna go at least 22. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 1 hour ago, BillsFan130 said: Thank god elway is a incompetent GM. He does have more super bowls wins as a gm than most general managers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 1 hour ago, RalphWilson'sNewWar said: ? AFC Would not Trade - Jets, Ravens, Browns, Texans, Broncos, Chiefs. Would Trade - Patriots, Steelers, Colts, Jaguars, Titans, Chargers. Not Sure - Bengals, Dolphins, Raiders. NFC Would Not Trade - Cowboys, Eagles, Giants, Packers, Vikings, Saints, 49ers, Cardinals, Seahawks. Would Trade - Washington, Bears, Buccaneers, Falcons, Panthers, Not Sure - Lions, Rams I think the "would not" list is pretty good - although the Pack has to be thinking "where is the end of Aaron Rodgers and can we see it from here?" Curious about the "Not Sure" category though - say more? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 (edited) These are the ONLY teams that wouldn’t trade their QB straight up for Josh because they have a guy they love and winning with that will be there a long time. Seattle Baltimore San Francisco (although I think Josh is better than Jimmy G) Houston Kansas Cit Green Bay Those 6 would 100% not do it right now. There are other teams that probably wouldn’t either, like Jets and Cleveland for instance as they still are high on their own QB. I think it’s safe to say that 2/3’s the teams would either do it, or at least strongly consider it. Teams with aging great QBs would do it IMO like Saints, Pats, NE. I think 20 to 22 teams would be a good estimate that would likely do it. Next year, could be even more teams that would if Josh keeps ascending like this. Edited November 29, 2019 by Alphadawg7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 1 minute ago, Chaos said: He does have more super bowls wins as a gm than most general managers. That's true. His big move of course was attracting Manning mind you, and that is a very rare occurrence to be able to sign a first ballot hall of fame QB in free agency Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 Just now, BillsFan130 said: That's true. His big move of course was attracting Manning mind you, and that is a very rare occurrence to be able to sign a first ballot hall of fame QB in free agency As I recall, there were 52 other players on the Roster. Elway does not seem interested in building 9-7 one and done teams. He is swinging for the fences. Maybe he is awful. But I think he knows what he is doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 I don’t know who would trade for him or who wouldn’t trade for him, but for me, I wouldn’t trade Josh for 5 first round picks. I’m happy with his progress, although I think Baltimore is going to destroy us, overall, long term, I believe we found ourselves a franchise QB. I’d put him in the top 10 with an absurd amount of growing room. I think his 3rd year will show who he really is as a QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 I think a lot of GM’s would be interested and some would probably surprise us. I’ll flip it and say who would we trade Allen for?... factor in his age and potential. Let’s be honest about this offense: Very good OL Stud RB Two very good WR’s Its not an elite level talent offense, but he’s got some nice pieces around him. The way this offense would elevate was if Allen was able to elevate them.... and now he’s starting to. It’s all beginning to click for him at the time it usually does for stud young QBs that last in this league... About a year and a half in. Next year, more continuity in the OL, Singletary and Knox no longer rookies and another game changing WR to go with Brown, Beasley, Foster and McKenzie. Factoring in age, I’m not sure id trade Allen for anyone right now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 4 minutes ago, Chaos said: As I recall, there were 52 other players on the Roster. Elway does not seem interested in building 9-7 one and done teams. He is swinging for the fences. Maybe he is awful. But I think he knows what he is doing. He inherited I believe a 8-8 team with tons of talent. The thing holding them back was Tim Tebow. Missing piece was Manning, and of course a few other players. Post Manning, he has done absolutely nothing to show that he is a competent GM in my opinion, especially finding a franchise QB. (Drafting Paxton lynch, Chad Kelly, trading for joe flacco, the list goes on) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cage Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 (edited) 20 hours ago, RalphWilson'sNewWar said: ? AFC Would not Trade - Jets, Ravens, Browns, Texans, Broncos, Chiefs. Would Trade - Patriots, Steelers, Colts, Jaguars, Titans, Chargers. Not Sure - Bengals, Dolphins, Raiders. NFC Would Not Trade - Cowboys, Eagles, Giants, Packers, Vikings, Saints, 49ers, Cardinals, Seahawks. Would Trade - Washington, Bears, Buccaneers, Falcons, Panthers, Not Sure - Lions, Rams Let's take another stab at this silliness.... AFC Would NOT -- Ravens, Texans, Chiefs Not Sure -- Jets, Browns WOULD -- Broncos, Pats, Steelers, Colts, Jaguars, Titans, Chargers, Bengals, Dolphins, Raiders NFC Would NOT -- Packers, 49ers, Cardinals, Seahawks Not Sure -- Cowboys, Eagles WOULD -- Giants, Vikings, Saints, Redskins, Bears, Bucs, Falcons, Panthers, Lions Pats, Vikings and Saints would want to wait until after this year is complete Edited November 30, 2019 by cage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in San Diego Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 I don't like the premise of this question. Josh Allen just launched into Bills royalty status, he's not available for trade ever! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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